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This is the reason why PUAs are delusional

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Postby C.J. » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:26 am

IntoTheWild wrote:I'll agree to disagree.

Simmer in your anger, vent about Jews and every other group you think is the source of your miserable life, wear a tinfoil hat, whatever you feel is the solution to your problems. It's not the solution for me. But hey, if it works for you. Good on you.

If you wanna learn pick-up tech from gay people, I couldn't care less. But it ain't for me. I tried it, hated it, left it behind.

I'm content just living in the western world, without having needless sexual desires. :)
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Postby S_Parc » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:43 pm

IntoTheWild, since you're into states of mind and all that jazz and for the most part, guys around here are sick of mind games, which AWs engage in all the time, isn't really what PUA is, is a type of Dale Carnegie or sales management training but for serial daters than deal makers?

If so, then I'd think that a guy's time is better spent on things like Carnegie http://www.dalecarnegie.com/ or similarly themed projects, like Toastmasters, where he can enhance his outward success by being more appealing to everyone, not just AWs.

And in all honesty, once I started earning good money, and having my own clients, I'd really lost interest in AWs, altogether, because I knew I could get a higher quality boink, pretty much anywhere else in the globe.
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Postby C.J. » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:50 pm

IntoTheWild wrote:Needless sexual desires? So you're asexual. Priest maybe?

No, I'm just not a western zombie possessed by useless thoughts. I could be a priest though. Imagine if people put all the time they think about sex into changing the world, or themselves?

IntoTheWild wrote:You say you 'tried it'. I find a lot of the guys who say 'I tried it', looked up some Mystery pickup lines or some crap and now they've 'tried it'. lol Ok then.

Double Your Dating. Idiot. I was involved with alot of David's events. but then I realized ENERGY plays a bigger part in courtship.

IntoTheWild wrote: You're asexual anyway. No need for anything then, I'd be content too.

Yup! I'm happy to be free of the mental disease that plagues you stupid westerners! But I'm done wasting time on trolls. Any post form here will about you posting about haters and saying that you're not gay. As far as I'm concerned, you have a gay old time doing that. :)
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Postby cadams84 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:26 pm

IntoTheWild wrote:Yeah because being a pickup artist is all about looking like Mystery and copying his style and wearing his makeup and furry hat, yeah, you got it figured out, that's what it's about! You sure showed us!

It's useless all you PUA haters keep bringing up Mystery and his 'unique' style like he's the poster child when most PUAs could care less about him or how to emulate his fashion sense.


The idea that losers can learn to be a PUA like someone learns to fish isn’t helpful to people at all and honestly it probably does more harm than good. Instead of doing the things that can really improve their social and dating situation like going to the gym, dressing well, making new friends and meeting new people they stay at home on internet forums being douche bags and playing dress up. You can pretend to be more confident and flash a freaky wardrobe to get attention but that doesn’t change who you are on the inside. True confidence is built on self acceptance and understanding. Asking out 50 women at the club getting turned down by 49 of them and getting laid by 1 doesn’t mean dressing like a fairy and using cheesy pickup lines did it for you that means it is a numbers game.

IntoTheWild wrote:If you want to bring up photos I've seen some not so flattering photos of your idol Winston.


I don’t know why you are all concerned about what each other look like suddenly. I have yet to see a George Clooney here so I think you can leave looks out of it. I don't think many people here would call Winston their idol. I did actually like the things he had to say about his experience abroad until it went south for him in the Philippines. Even then I took what he said with a grain of salt because it became personal for him.
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Postby S_Parc » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:52 pm

IntoTheWild wrote:At least you make a rational point, unlike some trollers on here. Yes, it is about dealing with the mind games of women. You're more on track there. I'll admit women overseas have less of this, but they are not the perfect non-game playing angels they're made out to be on this board. They paint a picture of disneyland overseas where women are pure and innocent and play no games. Far from the truth, even if they are 'healthier' than western women.

If many men believe the rosy picture painted here of overseas women, they are in for a rude awakening. I think most men on here really want to believe that fantasy, of the 'perfect women' over there just waiting for them, they don't want anyone to try to burst that bubble.


The search for the perfect woman, for me, is like the search for El Dorado or some other mythological fantasy. People are people, men and women, and no one's a perfect match. I think a lot of people realize this but usually, by then, it's sort of too late.

That's why over time, I'd also slowly lost interest in being in Brazil or Asia and seeing women over there as *special* vs being at home and then, making a quick run to the Canadian border for the quickie, and back home again for work. I'm finally content at home and I don't deal with hysterical women, like my sister, in my day to day existence.

IntoTheWild wrote:All that other stuff like Toastmasters and sales, doing well in business, etc, that definitely is along the same lines and doesn't hurt, we just happen to be interested in female behavior and why they play the games they do, and how their games work. Some men are not cut out for it or interested in it, fine, I can accept that, but don't fall into the delusion that overseas women don't play games with men. It's delusional, talk about delusions.


Well, with money, many of these guys can go to Australia, Canada, or the Caribbean and get a GFE escort. That, in itself, is a good use of the general lack of vacation time in America.

I presume if PUA is a way of achieving the same goals, as its more business oriented Carnegie courses, then that's good for you and others, who want to play around stateside.

For me, I'm actively avoiding women, in and around my space, because I like my peaceful and productive life. So far, it's been working out.
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Postby odbo » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:11 am

IntoTheWild wrote:Again with the false image of what all PUAs are. If you want to believe that and think it helps you, go ahead.

I wasn't the one who brought up the pictures, I was simply pointing out how ridiculous it was, by painting PUAs as effeminate fairies by posting pictures of Mystery, who has his own peculiar style. He is an individual, not all PUAs try to copy this 'image' you have in your head. That is not even close to what it is all about, but, it's a waste of time explaining that to you.

Since you are too busy to explain it to us, let me sum it up for everyone. Pick-up art = Homosexual posturing, also known as faggotry.

Pick-up artists don't just dress gay, they act gay. It's interesting to note that every newfag troll that comes on here finds the time to make 30-200 posts in the course of a few days but decides he is too important for us when it's time to prove his claims or defend his ludicrous stance.
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An American woman is no prize, rather a curse

Postby odbo » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:50 am

European/Foreign woman
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American "woman"
These toxic creatures usually come in "perma-scoul" or insincere toothy grin. Recently "duck face" has also been introduced.
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Here's a Swedish lady (being genuine)
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And here's her making fun of American photos
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Do you see these hardly conservative Euro girls? I'm willing to bet they'd make better wives and mothers than just about any modern American woman you will ever meet. Because even with their artificial posing, if you look closely you can see they have love and innocence in their eyes.
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An American woman's eyes are that of a sociopath. The picture below sums it up nicely as it shows what force their consciousness is dominated by.
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Do you see the signs of life in women raised outside the Anglosphere versus the empty vessel that is an American female? That is death right there. Death of the feminine, death of the human soul. And how do you kill a man's soul so completely? A sure way is for him to become a pick-up artist.

This could be you!
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Don't you want an all-American smile! (A big grin to everyone and behind the scenes crying yourself to sleep with anti-depressants)
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We were born natural, but a group of elites want to manipulate us through social-engineering into a perverted existence. The pop-culture that they control is pushing us into homosexuality, matriarchy, and dysfunctionality.

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I'm not interested in becoming the lobotomized, androgynous faggot that the system wants me to become.
I don't want to create a false persona for pandering to mentally damaged Anglo women. The price (my soul) is too high, and the prize, (a date with one of these toxic women), would be a hard sell even if it was free. It's just not worth it! Remember what the English proverb says, "Character is easier kept than recovered."

IntoTheWild wrote:This video pretty much sums up how some of the guys on here look at women overseas, especially obdo. Substitute Allah with Winston.

Winston the messiah figure: Link
IntoTheWild wrote:Ahhh the promised land! In America, nice guys finish last.... so go overseas, where nice guys finish first! I knew everything was backwards in Soviet Russia.

American women before they had their soul sucked out and took on a photogenic but "empty", wax-model look:

- Natural looking feminine women from the past Link
- American women pre-1960s and now Link
- Sexy bodies Then & Now Link

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Postby magnum » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:14 pm

you go on about "clumping groups" yet you clump the people you speak of together in your vary argument.


people are people.



And similar people tend to act the same, thus stereotypes exist and some are true, that's why it's a basic known reality not a fact.

however to go around blindly thinking people can't be different is foolish.

If anything I'd say it's culture, but arguing is redundant really.
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Postby odbo » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:00 am

IntoTheWild wrote:You just love rigid stereotypes don't you? You apply it to everything. Not everyone stereotypes the world in the same way guys like you do, into distinct 'categories'. Not everyones brain works like that of a resentful curmudgeon.

What the bloody hell are you talking about? You've completely missed the point. It's not that every woman outside the Anglosphere is perfect. It's that over 90% of American women are complete zombies, interchangeable from one another. They have nothing to offer a living being, it's like dating a robot, I'd have to be dead as well to see any worth in a relationship with them. Once you lose your soul and take on persona, often based on pre-packaged niches (goth, punk, hip-hop, hipster, valley girl slut, guido, etc), you become totally predictable. Virtually all American women belong to a "niche" and talk the same, think the same as every other female that identifies with similar things.

What's your answer to that? Let me guess, "Not all ____ women are like that!" Seriously give it a rest. When something is predictable 999 out of 1000 times, don't put me on a guilt trip for stereotyping it, especially when I'm simply trying to make a point about:

a) Why we "frustrated" (smart) men are going abroad
b) Why we don't want to do PUA (because we'll become dead inside just like the women we are sick of)

Women outside the Anglosphere are closer to an organic (human) state. There are exceptions, but the situation is much better since women in Europe and elsewhere don't speak English as a first language. They get less Hollywood (i.e. MTV) indoctrination in their teens, and receive more direction from their parents. They receive a better quality education so they're not as dumb as a box of rocks like women in America are, and their curriculum doesn't revolve around blaming white men for all the world's problems, and blaming men in general for all their problems. People are a product of their environment and their's is much healthier. It doesn't discriminate against and try to crush feminine traits in girls, just like masculinity in grown men is criminalized less (although there are still plenty of problems, at least not every public school teacher in Europe is a man-hating lesbian).


IntoTheWild wrote:Wow, not much different from your skewed portrayal of American guys. A guy can post pictures to paint something in any light he pleases. Idiots fall for that.

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See, I can paint Asian guys as fags! I don't believe that, but I can use pictures to show anything I want. Genius Obbo.

That guy in the blue hat is Andy Lau, Hong Kong's most famous actor and he is indeed a fag. You can moan all you want, my pictures are based in reality. If you're in America you don't even have to go abroad, just go to an international airport and observe how Europeans differ from Americans/Canadians, who are more like the walking dead than people. There's no denying there's a problem. Men here have to repress their souls, but most still have theirs. While most women are a hollow shell.

If they were emulating a feminine archetype, like a 1950s housewife, maybe no one would be complaining. But then if they were doing that, they'd be going WITH their nature and wouldn't have killed off their soul. Instead they've been convinced to act like men, and that has a high price just like it does for men who try to be women, (see: pick-up artists).

Ask any guy here who has been to Eastern Europe. Anglo women are not even in the same league!! To see how an average Eastern European woman in her 20s or 30s composes herself is like watching a champion at a dog show, after all you've seen are 3-legged homeless muts all your life.

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/view ... hp?t=10705

boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com wrote:-American man in Europe discovers the truth: "I traveled for a few months abroad in Europe and Asia, and could not believe the difference in "foreign" women to North American girls.

The foreigners seemed like "real women" somehow, whereas the girls here are not attractive to me! For a long time I suspected I might be gay, because I have been put off by so many of the women here in America, despite them being technically OK-looking... I thought, what is wrong with me? Why aren't I attracted to these girls? I only jerk off to pictures of girls online, and even tried out some gay porn as an experiment, but it didn't do it for me.

So what is the problem?


I think it is because the woman here subtlety ACT LIKE MEN. Though they might look pretty, they put out signals which are coded with a very male-vibe. People on this board seem to call that "feminism" - I dunno if I agree with that term or not - but I do agree that generally speaking, the woman I see here are NOT GIRLY - not in the way that is unconsciously attractive to men. They think and behave like men in (sometimes very attractive) female bodies. I think it tends to shut down my unconscious desire to pursue them as mates... I can admire their beauty, but I don't feel "it" - that pull to want to get to know them better. I think my biology gets confused. I am attracted to their body, but put off by their mannishness.

I remember sitting around at a party, and all the girls were playing video games and hooting like 10-year old boys - loud, obnoxious, being really over-the-top violent and vulgar - It was really weird. I remember I made eye contact with this other guy in the room and WE WERE BOTH THINKING IT - because as boys, we remember behaving like that when we were 10. We never spoke about it, but it's like we had both agreed that this was f*cked up! Girls should not act like this.

It's hard to define what I mean by "real women". I know a lot of girls on this board will get all up in arms that I'm being sexiest - it's not that... I don't expect a "real woman" to be subservient, weak, vulnerable, or stupider than me. But dammit, I DO expect her to be GIRLY! She should have a feminine energy about her - the moon to my sun, the yin to my yang, and so on... I don't care what she looks like on the outside - she should be a girl on the inside.

That is what I saw in the European and Asian women... they had more innate "girliness" - They are sexier, more lithe, sleek, seductive, move with more grace, have a more delicate, refined mystique about them. Their body language is softer, cooler, more reserved... But these are not weak women! Hidden in that is a sly strength, like a purring tiger, ready to pounce and strike. They are not as outwardly crass and outspoken, not as boarish and boyish, and not as bullish and frantic as their NA counterparts. They still know subtlety is sexy, that less is more, and that they have power as women that doesn't come exclusive from their tits.

I suspect that North American girls have just been over-exposed to (and corrupted by) our hyper-aggressive male-driven corporate culture. It's trained them to behave like men in the boardroom - and now they unconsciously do it outside of it as well. It has nothing to do with "equal rights" and everything to do with the unconscious dynamics of gender cues. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck......

I suspect every time a guy posts his dating woes b*tching about all the "cold" women of TO, he is unconsciously referencing this. Women here are just not naturally that attractive to men outside of money and power structures. The men, for their part, are acting mostly on their biological imperatives, geared for feminine woman - instead, they are meeting the wall of women-turned-woMEN, who demand an even MORE aggressive hype-male version to be successful in the club/dating scene (i.e. the "Seduction Game")."
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Deception

Postby odbo » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:26 am

IntoTheWild wrote:The day I give up PUA is the day ALL women become perfect angels who are free of all negative traits, and never give men shit. Women who are kinda like in that paradise video I posted. When women including overseas women never manipulate men, and are altruistic and never try to damage a mans interests, pure of heart, always trustworthy, then I will no longer have a need for PUA. This, of course, will be when hell freezes over.

You think by reading PUA books and websites, watching PUA videos, going to PUA lectures, and/or practicing pick-up art techniques will prevent men from being manipulated. But it is PUA itself that has manipulated you more than any woman ever would have.

Since you are in need of a wake-up call, let me do you and any men reading this a big favor and succinctly explain how manipulation works with one example.

Once upon a time in a land far far away.. (North Hollywood, in the 1960s).. there were a group of men who hated women. These weren't just any men, they were god's chosen men. They were Jewish! Every day after they were done penetrating each other, they would sit around, exercising their big Jewish brains by pondering how to express their hatred for women.

One day, like one of Jehovah's lightning bolts, it struck them. We can degrade them through pornography!

Fast forward to 2003-ish, Toronto Canada - the new capital of porn, (and the ecstasy drug-trade imported from Israel). Women, especially white women, have been degraded to the fullest. Every avenue has been explored. Ah but wait, a homosexual Jewish genius has yet another brain storm..

"What if I slapped a bitch in the face with my cock!?" His friend responds, "Haha you psycho! Not even a Jew could think of something like that. You're a f***ing genius Avi!" From across the room another homosexual Jew looks up and says, "Better yet, what if you shot cum in a bitch's eye? And rammed her up the ass? Like we do eachother!" :shock: The room falls dead silent as everyone in the room gets goosebumps.

The End

What's the moral of this fictitious true-story? Well ask yourself, if you go back 10 years, were heterosexual males slapping women they "loved" with their dicks? Were they shooting semen into their face? Were they sodomizing them? Absolutely not, only the most perverse, scumbags and skanks were into that.

Within a few years of a fad showing up in porn, a huge chunk of the population is copying it. The moral of the story is that man's susceptibility to manipulation cannot be understated. In more blunt terms this translates to: you can get morons to partake in homosexuals acts and behavior if you disguise it, selling it as something masculine or empowering.


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Ask yourself a question, did men in the past do pick-up art? No? So you're telling me after thousands of years of history you've stumbled on some new wisdom?

Of course not. You've stumbled upon some faggotry, and everyone who practices this faggotry ends up looking, talking, walking like a faggot. Not surprising since it was created by the same group of "chosen people" that destroyed everything womanly in American women in the first place.
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Postby S_Parc » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:35 am

IntoTheWild wrote:When I go overseas and find that women Looooooooove nice guys and I'm shocked and 'amazed' that 'nice guys finish first!', I'll be the first to drop PUA, I promise. Not... Gonna Happen.

Nice guys finish last... here, and abroad. As long as this continues, I shall enjoy being a 'bad boy'. When women change, I'll change. I.E. NEVER. There, you complained I didn't 'have the time' to make a long explanation, there you go. :P


IntoTheWild, I understand that this sparing matching is between you and Odbo but my counterpoint is this.

Abroad ... nice guys finish in the middle. Yes, I'm aware that the games are still there but there's a bit of a grey area where being decent doesn't necessarily mean being taken for a ride.

But in many ways, you are correct in being prepared for an 'nothing goes' situation. And the Toronto area is definitely a more interesting international locale than most American cities, including my hometown of Boston, which is kinda like a small city college town version of NYC.
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Questioning is thinking.

Postby odbo » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:47 am

IntoTheWild wrote:Damn Odbo, when I started reading your story I was expecting something rational, that actually showed you know anything about PUA but I was just mislead, but then I read the entire thing and... BIG SUPRISE! No rational arguments! I knew you were a write off.

It doesn't get any more rational than this:
odbo wrote:Ask yourself a question, did men in the past do pick-up art? No? So you're telling me after thousands of years of history you've stumbled on some new wisdom?

One can avoid being fooled, or right past wrongs, by asking questions like these. And the pornography analogy clearly shows how men can be duped into mimicking homosexuality, and slowly (but surely) be pushed in that direction.
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Postby S_Parc » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:07 am

IntoTheWild wrote:I'll agree with you there. I've noticed an IMPROVEMENT in overseas women, but not enough for me to give up understanding the 'illogical nature of women', and 'working with that illogical nature'. PUAs aren't 'bad guys' in the sense they abuse women, but they know how to deal with nasty situations when they crop up that would confuse and frustrate most guys.


Fair enough, you've done your homework on the whole subject matter. I really have nothing to debate here.
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Postby lavezzi » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:26 am

You've stated multiple times already that your objective in going overseas is to without deceit, "sex up" the women there. Can't you see how this will greatly increase the extent in which these women will feel inclined to play mind-games with you?

I know it's difficult for someone like you to grasp, but when a man and a woman come together with pure intentions, as in simply looking to share their lives with one another, everything will be completely natural and simple with no bullshit included. The fact that foreign women behave marginally different to Western women in the scenario you set yourself up for comes as no surprise to me. The real difference is that most foreign women are actually seeking a life partner because they understand that having one is what is truly fulfilling in life.

Yeah some guys here may be looking for the same thing you are, but many are just seeking a nice female for companionship, so why are you here when I'm sure there are many other sites that cater specifically for your kind?
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Postby Jackal » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:29 pm

The PUA mindset seems very close to the typical American mindset, so if you like one, you'll probably like the other.

Some guys might be happy thinking in a typically American way, but I've always despised it.

But I'm all for intelligent self-improvement. If you want to get in shape, well, great, then get in shape. But going overseas and adapting to all the new challenges there is also one big form of self-improvement.

I feel that I've improved a great deal as person during my time abroad.
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