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Postby Rock » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:23 pm

aozora13 wrote:I am not sure that it is easy to get laid abroad for some groups. However, usually beyond America, a guy can get laid without having to jump through so many hopes like in America.


If you are young enough, look OK, and go to the right countries, it should be very easy to get lots of sex from multiple young partners in the 5-8 range looks wise. You just need to get yourself set-up in a good spot, remain switched-on, and exploit opportunities when they come (strike when the iron is hot).
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Postby MrPeabody » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:23 pm

I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and develop some game.
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Postby Rock » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:40 pm

MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.
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Postby pete98146 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:12 pm

"Is it really easier to get laid abroad?" It's a rather interesting question! For the sake of the argument let's remove the pay for play scene because anybody with a wad of cash in his hands can get laid overseas.

But let's focus on bedding everday "good" girls. I think being a foreigner does open up some doors and gives you unique opportunities to meet women. Example: My buddy and I went to a college bar in Rio. A few of the college girls came and sat at our table and they wanted to practice speaking English. A few days later, I was eating all alone in Copa and another college girl dropped bye to say hi out of the blue. She sat down for 5 minutes and was off to class. Fact of the matter is that would NEVER happen in the US.

But the problem that you run into is your average guy only has 3 weeks max on vacation. So in reality, being a foreigner PUTS YOU IN A POSITION to meet women and have a relationship with them but most good girls aren't going to give it up that quickly. So the lack of time that you have in a given country works against you. As a matter of fact, you'll probably run into a lot of virgins that are saving themselves for marriage.

So if a guy really wants to get laid, chances are he'll have to stick with the P4P in the short term.

Now if a guy was lucky enough to spend extended time in a given country, I think getting laid with nice girls would be a piece of cake....as long as you look the part ie fit, clean looking, decent disposition etc.
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Postby S_Parc » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:26 pm

lavezzi wrote:I know young guys that have only ever paid for sex. The reason they are resorting to escorts is because of how sexually open and liberated the societies we live in are. There's a notion that all this sex is going on, yet many can't get in on it. This, mixed with the raging hormones you experience in your youth, is enough to push you down that road. The thing is that it's psychologically damaging, especially for those with little to no experience. You get sexual relief for a period of time, but it ingrains a belief in you that if you had to resort to paying for it, no girl would want to be with you. And a lot of escorts are uncomfortable with their job, but some guys will think this is purely down to them.


Honest to goodness, if I'd known what I knew today, I would never have dated from ages 17 to 25. Instead, I'd learned Portuguese while seeing escorts, just across the border in Canada, a ~5hr drive from my locale. After 25, I'd only been with women abroad and a few years later, at a particular point in time, I actually like paying for it more than in having someone stalk me.

Really, I don't see why men need to unconsciously validate the opposite gender with that type of negative self-talk. Buy some hypnosis CDs for self-esteem/confidence, memory, etc, and forget about dating.
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Postby MrPeabody » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:38 pm

Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.


I went to Thailand for a month to obtain my CELTA degree. As part of the requirements of the degree I had to teach live classes to real students. I am now back in Mexico. I don't know anything about your friend, but I find women in Mexico moving towards me and not away. For example, in my gym in Tijuana I was working out on the boxing bags. I actually don't know boxing and do Karate punching. This sexy young chica in workout shorts comes into my space and starts jumping rope. Then she comes up to me and gets right in my face and says: "Where can I learn to punch like that?". Basically, if you can get women interested in you, they can be quite forward in letting you know and you don't have to do anything. I basically keep aware of situations and interact with women only where there is a rich social context to play in. So every situation is very unique. I don't know if that helps anyone.
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Postby Rock » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:38 pm

MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.


I went to Thailand for a month to obtain my CELTA degree. As part of the requirements of the degree I had to teach live classes to real students. I am now back in Mexico. I don't know anything about your friend, but I find women in Mexico moving towards me and not away. For example, in my gym in Tijuana I was working out on the boxing bags. I actually don't know boxing and do Karate punching. This sexy young chica in workout shorts comes into my space and starts jumping rope. Then she comes up to me and gets right in my face and says: "Where can I learn to punch like that?". Basically, if you can get women interested in you, they can be quite forward in letting you know and you don't have to do anything. I basically keep aware of situations and interact with women only where there is a rich social context to play in. So every situation is very unique. I don't know if that helps anyone.


That sounds like a good start. But what really counts (to me anyway) is how often it translates into solid dates followed by intimacy. Nick, the friend I told you about above, was great at attracting attention and curiosity from women including young ones because of his natural charm and personality. But due to his age, he was not able to take things any further. Its not that he didn't try. But rather, the targets would chicken-out whenever he tried to move forward. He even took his young secretary with him on a trip to Indonesia once. Of course he had romantic intentions. But when he made his move, she distanced herself and said she wanted to keep things on a platonic friends level. But he told me that when he was younger, the girls would usually not hesitate to date him alone and get physical right away.

Why don't you see if its possible to seriously date and get physical with any of these curious young women around you? That's the real litmus test.
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Postby MrPeabody » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:51 pm

Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.


I went to Thailand for a month to obtain my CELTA degree. As part of the requirements of the degree I had to teach live classes to real students. I am now back in Mexico. I don't know anything about your friend, but I find women in Mexico moving towards me and not away. For example, in my gym in Tijuana I was working out on the boxing bags. I actually don't know boxing and do Karate punching. This sexy young chica in workout shorts comes into my space and starts jumping rope. Then she comes up to me and gets right in my face and says: "Where can I learn to punch like that?". Basically, if you can get women interested in you, they can be quite forward in letting you know and you don't have to do anything. I basically keep aware of situations and interact with women only where there is a rich social context to play in. So every situation is very unique. I don't know if that helps anyone.


That sounds like a good start. But what really counts (to me anyway) is how often it translates into solid dates followed by intimacy. Nick, the friend I told you about above, was great at attracting attention and curiosity from women including young ones because of his natural charm and personality. But due to his age, he was not able to take things any further. Its not that he didn't try. But rather, the targets would chicken-out whenever he tried to move forward. He even took his young secretary with him on a trip to Indonesia once. Of course he had romantic intentions. But when he made his move, she distanced herself and said she wanted to keep things on a platonic friends level. But he told me that when he was younger, the girls would usually not hesitate to date him alone and get physical right away.

Why don't you see if its possible to seriously date and get physical with any of these curious young women around you? That's the real litmus test.


I never said I don't get physical. Most men aren't sensitive enough to get inside the head of a woman and anticipate her moods, fears, and state of mind. Your friend went along for the ride when he was younger and maybe didn't develop any real skills. That's why I have been advocating that younger men spend some time building PUA skills as long as they don't spend too much money on fancy seminars.
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Postby Rock » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:52 pm

MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.


I went to Thailand for a month to obtain my CELTA degree. As part of the requirements of the degree I had to teach live classes to real students. I am now back in Mexico. I don't know anything about your friend, but I find women in Mexico moving towards me and not away. For example, in my gym in Tijuana I was working out on the boxing bags. I actually don't know boxing and do Karate punching. This sexy young chica in workout shorts comes into my space and starts jumping rope. Then she comes up to me and gets right in my face and says: "Where can I learn to punch like that?". Basically, if you can get women interested in you, they can be quite forward in letting you know and you don't have to do anything. I basically keep aware of situations and interact with women only where there is a rich social context to play in. So every situation is very unique. I don't know if that helps anyone.


That sounds like a good start. But what really counts (to me anyway) is how often it translates into solid dates followed by intimacy. Nick, the friend I told you about above, was great at attracting attention and curiosity from women including young ones because of his natural charm and personality. But due to his age, he was not able to take things any further. Its not that he didn't try. But rather, the targets would chicken-out whenever he tried to move forward. He even took his young secretary with him on a trip to Indonesia once. Of course he had romantic intentions. But when he made his move, she distanced herself and said she wanted to keep things on a platonic friends level. But he told me that when he was younger, the girls would usually not hesitate to date him alone and get physical right away.

Why don't you see if its possible to seriously date and get physical with any of these curious young women around you? That's the real litmus test.


I never said I don't get physical. Most men aren't sensitive enough to get inside the head of a woman and anticipate her moods, fears, and state of mind. Your friend went along for the ride when he was younger and maybe didn't develop any real skills. That's why I have been advocating that younger men spend some time building PUA skills as long as they don't spend too much money on fancy seminars.


OK then. If your skills are delivering full results, then you must have a tangible edge. If you shared more context and details about your successes, I imagine you would be a great inspiration to many of the single older guys out there who may think their only options are P4P/sugar daddying or dating women much closer to their own age. Its especially remarkable that you can succeed in a country like Mexico, a place I always considered much more challenging conservative than the South American hotspots. Do you look exceptionally young and/or good for your age?
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Mating vs Dating

Postby OutWest » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:26 pm

Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.


I went to Thailand for a month to obtain my CELTA degree. As part of the requirements of the degree I had to teach live classes to real students. I am now back in Mexico. I don't know anything about your friend, but I find women in Mexico moving towards me and not away. For example, in my gym in Tijuana I was working out on the boxing bags. I actually don't know boxing and do Karate punching. This sexy young chica in workout shorts comes into my space and starts jumping rope. Then she comes up to me and gets right in my face and says: "Where can I learn to punch like that?". Basically, if you can get women interested in you, they can be quite forward in letting you know and you don't have to do anything. I basically keep aware of situations and interact with women only where there is a rich social context to play in. So every situation is very unique. I don't know if that helps anyone.


That sounds like a good start. But what really counts (to me anyway) is how often it translates into solid dates followed by intimacy. Nick, the friend I told you about above, was great at attracting attention and curiosity from women including young ones because of his natural charm and personality. But due to his age, he was not able to take things any further. Its not that he didn't try. But rather, the targets would chicken-out whenever he tried to move forward. He even took his young secretary with him on a trip to Indonesia once. Of course he had romantic intentions. But when he made his move, she distanced herself and said she wanted to keep things on a platonic friends level. But he told me that when he was younger, the girls would usually not hesitate to date him alone and get physical right away.

Why don't you see if its possible to seriously date and get physical with any of these curious young women around you? That's the real litmus test.


I never said I don't get physical. Most men aren't sensitive enough to get inside the head of a woman and anticipate her moods, fears, and state of mind. Your friend went along for the ride when he was younger and maybe didn't develop any real skills. That's why I have been advocating that younger men spend some time building PUA skills as long as they don't spend too much money on fancy seminars.


OK then. If your skills are delivering full results, then you must have a tangible edge. If you shared more context and details about your successes, I imagine you would be a great inspiration to many of the single older guys out there who may think their only options are P4P/sugar daddying or dating women much closer to their own age. Its especially remarkable that you can succeed in a country like Mexico, a place I always considered much more challenging conservative than the South American hotspots. Do you look exceptionally young and/or good for your age?


I am close to Peabody's age and my experiences are similar. When you get to be our age, if you have been paying attention, you can learn to be wise.
You realize, that just like you were yourself at that age, most young guys, (Including the young guys on the forum, do not have a clue about women.
Not a f//kin clue. ) You know that because you see how the young guys are acting much like you did at that same age.

The old bull does with finesse and little effort, what the young bull labors furiously and usually in vain, to accomplish. If as Peabody says, you actually understand women, it gives you a HUGE edge, whatever your intentions. With that, comes the experience and confidence of a silver fox. You are able to
act without hesitation, because you are wise enough to choose your battles, and when you choose, it is almost certain to be one that you will win.

You want an edge fellows? Understand, especially from a girls point of view, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATING AND MATING.
"Getting some" or all the "virtues" of a girl who puts out right away is not at all seen like it is in the USA by girls there.
The concept of recreational dating and screwing is not a universal concept guys. Yet most here act as if it is, or at least should be. It is not.
Knowing this and how it plays out in girls minds, will give you a HUGE edge in many places.

One way or the other, in many places, a girl who has been banged by 20 guys and 6 others she cant remember, is not considered good LTR
or marriage material. That is just the way it is. Girls in that arena are not eager to join the ranks of the ho club.

>>>I have observed, with years of experience in more than 60 countries, that girls generally become less capable of bonding with one man when they have copulated with many. That is just the way it is. Winston in fact refers to this as well. Understanding this will influence your choices and actions
significantly. You really do have to understand the water you are fishing in. Paying for sex might often be the more honorable choice if
you are just looking for sex. A street ho? No, perhaps a kind of sugar daddy deal, but at least you are not deceiving a girl into bed by implying that
marriage is coming. Genuine men give each other respect in those areas. You choice may not be mine, but it's not my life either.

>>> In many places, especially the Philippines, a girl will often willingly JUMP into bed so long as she sees it as sealing the deal on a LTR and/or marriage.
She is MATING, not dating. She sees herself as bonded to you at that point, and in a way, you have some "ownership" of what she has given you.
My wife certainly saw things in this light when she moved in with me almost 2 years ago. (We were recently married).

If you simply "need some". a man may do what he has to do to get it. AND YES fellows, it IS easier to get laid overseas if that is what you need.
It is easier to get sex in any place where the golden p***y association does not rule. Other places, a girl is just a girl, not some goddess.

Most men will not take the time to really build the knowledge they need to succeed, but the knowledge is out there.
So I guess I have settled down. yes, I have given up the "many" now that I am married to one. I guess that might happen when
you find one that brings you more meaning than the "many". In fact, I have far more "comfort" in this life than most men who
see it as being tied down and somehow limited. In my case my Filipina wife is 24 vs my 50. Being a bitch has never occurred to her.
She assumes American women must be idiots. I leave it at that. She really focuses on taking good care of me in every way.
She will go back to school this coming year to finish her college efforts- she is nearly done with an engineering degree.

I say these things to illustrate what I am saying. My life has become quite low stress in many ways. I really do not want to have to think about women too much. In most cases, they are simply too much work. If you are in the USA or Western Europe they are just about like suicide...but more agonizing.

Well good luck on all this gentlemen..its in the wee hours...and I am due for some sleep.....


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Re: Mating vs Dating

Postby pete98146 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:14 pm

OutWest wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.


I went to Thailand for a month to obtain my CELTA degree. As part of the requirements of the degree I had to teach live classes to real students. I am now back in Mexico. I don't know anything about your friend, but I find women in Mexico moving towards me and not away. For example, in my gym in Tijuana I was working out on the boxing bags. I actually don't know boxing and do Karate punching. This sexy young chica in workout shorts comes into my space and starts jumping rope. Then she comes up to me and gets right in my face and says: "Where can I learn to punch like that?". Basically, if you can get women interested in you, they can be quite forward in letting you know and you don't have to do anything. I basically keep aware of situations and interact with women only where there is a rich social context to play in. So every situation is very unique. I don't know if that helps anyone.


That sounds like a good start. But what really counts (to me anyway) is how often it translates into solid dates followed by intimacy. Nick, the friend I told you about above, was great at attracting attention and curiosity from women including young ones because of his natural charm and personality. But due to his age, he was not able to take things any further. Its not that he didn't try. But rather, the targets would chicken-out whenever he tried to move forward. He even took his young secretary with him on a trip to Indonesia once. Of course he had romantic intentions. But when he made his move, she distanced herself and said she wanted to keep things on a platonic friends level. But he told me that when he was younger, the girls would usually not hesitate to date him alone and get physical right away.

Why don't you see if its possible to seriously date and get physical with any of these curious young women around you? That's the real litmus test.


I never said I don't get physical. Most men aren't sensitive enough to get inside the head of a woman and anticipate her moods, fears, and state of mind. Your friend went along for the ride when he was younger and maybe didn't develop any real skills. That's why I have been advocating that younger men spend some time building PUA skills as long as they don't spend too much money on fancy seminars.


OK then. If your skills are delivering full results, then you must have a tangible edge. If you shared more context and details about your successes, I imagine you would be a great inspiration to many of the single older guys out there who may think their only options are P4P/sugar daddying or dating women much closer to their own age. Its especially remarkable that you can succeed in a country like Mexico, a place I always considered much more challenging conservative than the South American hotspots. Do you look exceptionally young and/or good for your age?


I am close to Peabody's age and my experiences are similar. When you get to be out age, if you have been paying attention, you can learn to be wise.
You realize, that just like you were yourself at that age, most young guys, (Including the young guys on the forum, do not have a clue about women.
Not a f//kin clue. ) You know that because you see how the young guys are acting much like you did at that same age.

The old bull does with finesse and little effort, what the young bull labors furiously and usually in vain, to accomplish. If as Peabody says, you actually understand women, it gives you a HUGE edge, whatever your intentions. With that, comes the experience and confidence of a silver fox. You are able to
act without hesitation, because you are wise enough to choose your battles, and when you choose, it is almost certain to be one that you will win.

You want an edge fellows? Understand, especially from a girls point of view, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATING AND MATING.
"Getting some" or all the "virtues" of a girl who puts out right away is not at all seen like it is in the USA by girls there.
The concept of recreational dating and screwing is not a universal concept guys. Yet most here act as if it is, or at least should be. It is not.
Knowing this and how it plays out in girls minds, will give you a HUGE edge in many places.

One way or the other, in many places, a girl who has been banged by 20 guys and 6 others she cant remember, is not considered good LTR
or marriage material. That is just the way it is. Girls in that arena are not eager to join the ranks of the ho club.

>>>I have observed, with years of experience in more than 60 countries, that girls generally become less capable of bonding with one man when they have copulated with many. That is just the way it is. Winston in fact refers to this as well. Understanding this will influence your choices and actions
significantly. You really do have to understand the water you are fishing in. Paying for sex might often be the more honorable choice if
you are just looking for sex. A street ho? No, perhaps a kind of sugar daddy deal, but at least you are not deceiving a girl into bed by implying that
marriage is coming. Genuine men give each other respect in those areas. You choice may not be mine, but it's not my life either.

>>> In many places, especially the Philippines, a girl will often willingly JUMP into bed so long as she sees it as sealing the deal on a LTR and/or marriage.
She is MATING, not dating. She sees herself as bonded to you at that point, and in a way, you have some "ownership" of what she has given you.
My wife certainly saw things in this light when she moved in with me almost 2 years ago. (We were recently married).

If you simply "need some". a man may do what he has to do to get it. AND YES fellows, it IS easier to get laid overseas if that is what you need.
It is easier to get sex in any place where the golden p***y association does not rule. Other places, a girl is just a girl, not some goddess.

Most men will not take the time to really build the knowledge they need to succeed, but the knowledge is out there.
So I guess I have settled down. yes, I have given up the "many" now that I am married to one. I guess that might happen when
you find one that brings you more meaning than the "many". In fact, I have far more "comfort" in this life than most men who
see it as being tied down and somehow limited. In my case my Filipina wife is 24 vs my 50. Being a bitch has never occurred to her.
She assumes American women must be idiots. I leave it at that. She really focuses on taking good care of me in every way.
She will go back to school this coming year to finish her college efforts- she is nearly done with an engineering degree.

I say these things to illustrate what I am saying. My life has become quite low stress in many ways. I really do not want to have to think about women too much. In most cases, they are simply too much work. If you are in the USA or Western Europe they are just about like suicide...but more agonizing.

Well good luck on all this gentlemen..its in the wee hours...and I am due for some sleep.....


Outwest


Beautiful post Outwest! Couldn't have said it better myself! The young guys can learn a lot from your message!
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Re: Mating vs Dating

Postby davewe » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:34 pm

OutWest wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:
Rock wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:I really believe that men like Grunt have found the correct formula for getting a high quality woman in a foreign country. You have to fit into the society. Reread his post. As for age, I am in my 50s, but the lady I talked too this week was in her early 20s. I am going to see her next week. Generally, in Mexico, I sense women moving towards me and not away. When I was much younger and lived in Washington D.C., I always felt women moving away from me. Rock states the general fate for a man who doesn't take any effort to improve himself and have some game.


MrPeabody, were you recently teaching in Thailand or do I have you mixed-up with someone else?

If you or any man in his 50s can pull attractive young women and elicit sexual/romantic attraction which is actionable, my hat goes off to you. Please say more and share your experiences or those of your successful older friends. I've often searched for this dynamic when observing others and so far, have not seen it play out.

Nick, one of the (previous) owners of Mexican Matchmakers in Guadalajara came out to Asia a few years ago. I went out with him both in Taiwan and Thailand. Now this guy is a tall dark and handsome American of Greek ancestry. And he constantly jokes and flirts with girls and women wherever he goes. He told me that when he was younger, he scored like a machine; totally believable cus this guy knows no fear and is pretty smooth. However, he was already late 50s when he visited and even though he was still slim, had a full head of (dyed) black hair, and still looked pretty good, he admitted that he started having to pay somewhere in his 40s. After awhile, he got used to it and just accepted it as part of being an older guy.

The celebrity men mentioned in one of the previous posts can hardly be considered unimproved or lacking in game. But guys of the same ages who look, act, and talk like them are still going to face a big challenge in seducing 18-26 year old girls almost anywhere on the planet, IMO.


I went to Thailand for a month to obtain my CELTA degree. As part of the requirements of the degree I had to teach live classes to real students. I am now back in Mexico. I don't know anything about your friend, but I find women in Mexico moving towards me and not away. For example, in my gym in Tijuana I was working out on the boxing bags. I actually don't know boxing and do Karate punching. This sexy young chica in workout shorts comes into my space and starts jumping rope. Then she comes up to me and gets right in my face and says: "Where can I learn to punch like that?". Basically, if you can get women interested in you, they can be quite forward in letting you know and you don't have to do anything. I basically keep aware of situations and interact with women only where there is a rich social context to play in. So every situation is very unique. I don't know if that helps anyone.


That sounds like a good start. But what really counts (to me anyway) is how often it translates into solid dates followed by intimacy. Nick, the friend I told you about above, was great at attracting attention and curiosity from women including young ones because of his natural charm and personality. But due to his age, he was not able to take things any further. Its not that he didn't try. But rather, the targets would chicken-out whenever he tried to move forward. He even took his young secretary with him on a trip to Indonesia once. Of course he had romantic intentions. But when he made his move, she distanced herself and said she wanted to keep things on a platonic friends level. But he told me that when he was younger, the girls would usually not hesitate to date him alone and get physical right away.

Why don't you see if its possible to seriously date and get physical with any of these curious young women around you? That's the real litmus test.


I never said I don't get physical. Most men aren't sensitive enough to get inside the head of a woman and anticipate her moods, fears, and state of mind. Your friend went along for the ride when he was younger and maybe didn't develop any real skills. That's why I have been advocating that younger men spend some time building PUA skills as long as they don't spend too much money on fancy seminars.


OK then. If your skills are delivering full results, then you must have a tangible edge. If you shared more context and details about your successes, I imagine you would be a great inspiration to many of the single older guys out there who may think their only options are P4P/sugar daddying or dating women much closer to their own age. Its especially remarkable that you can succeed in a country like Mexico, a place I always considered much more challenging conservative than the South American hotspots. Do you look exceptionally young and/or good for your age?


I am close to Peabody's age and my experiences are similar. When you get to be out age, if you have been paying attention, you can learn to be wise.
You realize, that just like you were yourself at that age, most young guys, (Including the young guys on the forum, do not have a clue about women.
Not a f//kin clue. ) You know that because you see how the young guys are acting much like you did at that same age.

The old bull does with finesse and little effort, what the young bull labors furiously and usually in vain, to accomplish. If as Peabody says, you actually understand women, it gives you a HUGE edge, whatever your intentions. With that, comes the experience and confidence of a silver fox. You are able to
act without hesitation, because you are wise enough to choose your battles, and when you choose, it is almost certain to be one that you will win.

You want an edge fellows? Understand, especially from a girls point of view, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATING AND MATING.
"Getting some" or all the "virtues" of a girl who puts out right away is not at all seen like it is in the USA by girls there.
The concept of recreational dating and screwing is not a universal concept guys. Yet most here act as if it is, or at least should be. It is not.
Knowing this and how it plays out in girls minds, will give you a HUGE edge in many places.

One way or the other, in many places, a girl who has been banged by 20 guys and 6 others she cant remember, is not considered good LTR
or marriage material. That is just the way it is. Girls in that arena are not eager to join the ranks of the ho club.

>>>I have observed, with years of experience in more than 60 countries, that girls generally become less capable of bonding with one man when they have copulated with many. That is just the way it is. Winston in fact refers to this as well. Understanding this will influence your choices and actions
significantly. You really do have to understand the water you are fishing in. Paying for sex might often be the more honorable choice if
you are just looking for sex. A street ho? No, perhaps a kind of sugar daddy deal, but at least you are not deceiving a girl into bed by implying that
marriage is coming. Genuine men give each other respect in those areas. You choice may not be mine, but it's not my life either.

>>> In many places, especially the Philippines, a girl will often willingly JUMP into bed so long as she sees it as sealing the deal on a LTR and/or marriage.
She is MATING, not dating. She sees herself as bonded to you at that point, and in a way, you have some "ownership" of what she has given you.
My wife certainly saw things in this light when she moved in with me almost 2 years ago. (We were recently married).

If you simply "need some". a man may do what he has to do to get it. AND YES fellows, it IS easier to get laid overseas if that is what you need.
It is easier to get sex in any place where the golden p***y association does not rule. Other places, a girl is just a girl, not some goddess.

Most men will not take the time to really build the knowledge they need to succeed, but the knowledge is out there.
So I guess I have settled down. yes, I have given up the "many" now that I am married to one. I guess that might happen when
you find one that brings you more meaning than the "many". In fact, I have far more "comfort" in this life than most men who
see it as being tied down and somehow limited. In my case my Filipina wife is 24 vs my 50. Being a bitch has never occurred to her.
She assumes American women must be idiots. I leave it at that. She really focuses on taking good care of me in every way.
She will go back to school this coming year to finish her college efforts- she is nearly done with an engineering degree.

I say these things to illustrate what I am saying. My life has become quite low stress in many ways. I really do not want to have to think about women too much. In most cases, they are simply too much work. If you are in the USA or Western Europe they are just about like suicide...but more agonizing.

Well good luck on all this gentlemen..its in the wee hours...and I am due for some sleep.....


Outwest


Thank you, Outwest. Very wise. Your young wife is a lucky woman (and I bet she knows this).
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Postby djfourmoney » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:25 pm

P4P is not for everybody and it not a surrogate for other things missing in your life. My so-called planned was to visit Norway to first see a friend of mine and second to visit a woman I had been talking to online for about a year. When she rejected me, I made plans to go to Germany to see the #1 on the German list. She said no for whatever reason claimed I wasn't serious or something. Whatever, I opted for another woman I knew in Sweden. After meeting there was no physical attraction plus he mother was going to bring her daughter back home from a visit, so I bailed. Next stop was Germany and since none of the previous meeting went as planned, I decided that since P4P is legal in Germany and read about the various P4P's around the country, plus had a friend in Frankfurt, I went against suggested advice about Frankfurt and went anyway.

So while it would be a few hours before I would meet my friend who as at work at the time I got into town (mid-day) I opted to go a P4P that was fairly close to the downtown area of Frankfurt.

A bit later, I was chilling with my homie David who met me in Germany, he's from Canada. He wanted to go Red Light District Hunting. So I went. There was a P4P in the zone as well.

The final time I had sex in Europe besides with Larisa in Ukraine was at P4P Palace with one of the finest Hungarian women I've ever seen. She picked me and while that didn't really impact my ego because of the money involved, I don't see any harm in this.

Down in TJ, its low cost and its the culture. Mexican patrons are not looking for GFE like many American patrons are and the services are geared towards locals even in TJ. Just as it is in any location around the world.

That said, its fairly easy to develop a relationship with these women as long as you understand its a business relationship and treat it as such. There will be instances of free dates and gifts exchanged and so forth. Some mongers have married these women with varying results. It just depends on who they married and if they know them will enough.

My point is P4P is not a zero sum game. And if you fail to understand that you're always paying for it, then you'll never understand P4P.
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Re: Mating vs Dating

Postby djfourmoney » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:54 pm

OutWest wrote:
I am close to Peabody's age and my experiences are similar. When you get to be out age, if you have been paying attention, you can learn to be wise.
You realize, that just like you were yourself at that age, most young guys, (Including the young guys on the forum, do not have a clue about women.
Not a f//kin clue. ) You know that because you see how the young guys are acting much like you did at that same age.

The old bull does with finesse and little effort, what the young bull labors furiously and usually in vain, to accomplish. If as Peabody says, you actually understand women, it gives you a HUGE edge, whatever your intentions. With that, comes the experience and confidence of a silver fox. You are able to
act without hesitation, because you are wise enough to choose your battles, and when you choose, it is almost certain to be one that you will win.

You want an edge fellows? Understand, especially from a girls point of view, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATING AND MATING.
"Getting some" or all the "virtues" of a girl who puts out right away is not at all seen like it is in the USA by girls there.
The concept of recreational dating and screwing is not a universal concept guys. Yet most here act as if it is, or at least should be. It is not.
Knowing this and how it plays out in girls minds, will give you a HUGE edge in many places.

One way or the other, in many places, a girl who has been banged by 20 guys and 6 others she cant remember, is not considered good LTR
or marriage material. That is just the way it is. Girls in that arena are not eager to join the ranks of the ho club.

>>>I have observed, with years of experience in more than 60 countries, that girls generally become less capable of bonding with one man when they have copulated with many. That is just the way it is. Winston in fact refers to this as well. Understanding this will influence your choices and actions
significantly. You really do have to understand the water you are fishing in. Paying for sex might often be the more honorable choice if
you are just looking for sex. A street ho? No, perhaps a kind of sugar daddy deal, but at least you are not deceiving a girl into bed by implying that
marriage is coming. Genuine men give each other respect in those areas. You choice may not be mine, but it's not my life either.

>>> In many places, especially the Philippines, a girl will often willingly JUMP into bed so long as she sees it as sealing the deal on a LTR and/or marriage.
She is MATING, not dating. She sees herself as bonded to you at that point, and in a way, you have some "ownership" of what she has given you.
My wife certainly saw things in this light when she moved in with me almost 2 years ago. (We were recently married).

If you simply "need some". a man may do what he has to do to get it. AND YES fellows, it IS easier to get laid overseas if that is what you need.
It is easier to get sex in any place where the golden p***y association does not rule. Other places, a girl is just a girl, not some goddess.

Most men will not take the time to really build the knowledge they need to succeed, but the knowledge is out there.
So I guess I have settled down. yes, I have given up the "many" now that I am married to one. I guess that might happen when
you find one that brings you more meaning than the "many". In fact, I have far more "comfort" in this life than most men who
see it as being tied down and somehow limited. In my case my Filipina wife is 24 vs my 50. Being a bitch has never occurred to her.
She assumes American women must be idiots. I leave it at that. She really focuses on taking good care of me in every way.
She will go back to school this coming year to finish her college efforts- she is nearly done with an engineering degree.

I say these things to illustrate what I am saying. My life has become quite low stress in many ways. I really do not want to have to think about women too much. In most cases, they are simply too much work. If you are in the USA or Western Europe they are just about like suicide...but more agonizing.

Well good luck on all this gentlemen..its in the wee hours...and I am due for some sleep.....


Outwest


I totally agree. I recently turned 41 and while I don't feel or look that old at all, I am honest with my age and frankly most women interested in me are in their mid to late 30's and usually with children. This is not ideal, this is something a guy that feels there is nothing else to gain might settle for in his 30's because he doesn't want to be single in his 40's or 50's, when its even harder.

I am not concerned about being advanced age. I'm more concerned with a society that worships youth and the only older men that get any play from younger women have money, power or both. On the flip if you're willing to accept marrying a single mother, then you can date younger women with that caveat.

I don't like those choices. Which is why I have basically ignored the market in Southern California and America as a whole.

The problem with that, is that you need at least SOME money to make the International thing work. I'm on the path to improving my financial standing but with the crappy economy the pay just is not there at the moment and the only difference would be that I would be behind a desk, still dealing with stupid questions and getting paid the same as I did in auto parts. I need at least another certification before I go out on the job market to bring my hourly wage up and that's important.

I keep saying, I know, but that's what has to be done to make this work. Just working at full time job at $10 an hour will qualify you for K-1, but in reality its almost impossible to support two people on 22-23K a year GROSS. It will be at least a year before you're new wife will be able to find work if she has a job that transferable without re-certification as what would happen with bringing a lawyer or doctor here. In fact I know of two Russian women that came to the US as doctors but opted to be RN's instead. It took less time and wages are close to what they got as doctors back home with less work and less responsibly.

Outwest as I said I agree, when I go looking for a woman I am looking to mate NOT date. I am looking for a woman that wants to mate, not date. There are more of those women available outside of America than inside America, where were in a battle with Feminist Ideology.
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Postby fox » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:42 am

It depends where -

what country and what area in that coutry you go to.....

you have to know the culture of the country you go to & what areas to go to.....
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