A Growing Trend of Leaving America - US News

[eurobrat]

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[Mr S]

We'll it's good to know someone else is a Libertarian on this forum, Mr S. Your views are pretty much identical to mine. I think America is becoming more of a police state every year, with a nanny-like government breathing down everyone's neck and civil liberties pretty much disappearing right before our eyes. Anyway, your points about New Hampshire are pretty interesting. I have heard about the Free State project you mentioned as well. Is New Hampshire really a sanctuary from all the nonsense going in the rest of the country, or is it starting to resemble the other states surrounding it like Massachusetts and Vermont? If not, then rather than going overseas, I may look into moving to New Hampshire as a second option. The only problem is, New Hampshire is not exactly a singles mecca nor is it brimming with many Asian people up there, so I might feel a little out of place.

Considering NH is probably over 90% of European descent, the Asian community is the second largest minority in the state. To be able to live in NH you have to make decent money cause of the high property taxes, which balance out the no income or sales tax there. So most of the poorer riffraff don't survive long in the state and typically stay in Massachusetts or some other social well fare state. Since Asians adapt well to Euro communities and are usually industrious and motivated to succeed, they tend to enjoy living in NH. So there are some Asians who are Chinese and also SE Asians there, mainly from Vietnam and Philippines. There are a lot of businesses in NH/Mass who assemble electronics and they usually hire Asian women to do the work cause they have small hands and are good at working at a fast pace assembling small electrical products for medical or military equipment. Plus there used to be a submarine base and so some Filipinos probably stayed in the state once they got out of the Navy. There is also a ship building Naval base in Maine too with a lot of Filipinos there. My previous bosses's wife runs a company that places Filipinos overseas at various universities and she specifically has contracts with some NH universities so she has sent a lot of rich kids from the Philippines to various universities in the state. But like I said it is still a majority European descended state so you will mostly see whites or mixed people there unless you're in Manchester or Nashua, and even then it will still appear white majority in comparison to other larger cities in other states of the country. Maine, NH and Vermont are probably in the top 10 of the whitest majority states in the country, in relation to maybe North & South Dakota, Idaho, Wyoming, West Virginia, Montana and Alaska.

In regards to the dating life, it's not completely dead but rather seasonal. You probably have a better chance meeting someone in the Summer and fall vs. winter or spring due to the various events going on in the state. Most of the single people in NH or surrounding states will either be younger or in their mid-thirties or older. Obviously the older women will probably be coming out of a divorce or something so will have some baggage, the younger kids are brainwashed not to date older guys more than 5 yrs outside their age so pulling university girls or 18+ may be difficult unless you're still in your mid 20's or so.

New Hampshire has found a way to hold out from being overwhelmed by leftist and socialist related politics in relation to the state being surrounded by states that more or less act that way. Even though there have been people moving to NH from social well-fare states, I think there are more libertarian mind set people still fighting them or moving there from other states to balance them out. Basically if you stay away from the larger cities or the wealthier towns in between them (basically the towns surrounding Nashua and Manchester) then you won't really notice them. I grew up in Merrimack, which is in between Nashua and Manchester and tends to have a majority of wealthier people living in the town. The local government has started to get more anal about things there but it's not anywhere as bad as one might experience living in a town in Massachusetts.

If one were to move there I would stay away from the central southern part of the state that borders Massachusetts and move either to the middle to northern parts of the state or the Eastern or Western side of it. There are some advantages and disadvantages to living in those areas. If you like the beach and being near the coasts of Maine and Massachusetts then living on the Eastern side would be okay, it also makes travel to Maine easier. IF you choose to live on the Western side you will be closer to Vermont and Western MAssachusetts. Keene area has beautiful rolling hill type scenery but that is the state university belt so if you like or don't like having younger kids running around then you have to consider that. The central and Northern half of NH is where the majority of the lakes are as well as the mountains. IT's nice up there but once you get away from Concord, there isn't much going on up there. IF you like to be left alone and is self-sufficient then living in that area of the state would be nice. Winters would be pretty rough though.

If you want to keep up with what's going on in NH read the following state newspapers:

Conservative leaning: http://www.unionleader.com/
Liberal Leaning: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/

If you or anyone has any specific questions about NH just PM me.

If I ever had to move back to the states, I would consider NH has a prime destination. However, like I said the winters suck there, decent single women are hard to come by, and one needs to have a decent income to live a comfortable life there. But most everything else is cool. If you are an independent loner type, NH is a great place to live. If your an extrovert type personality who thrives on interaction with others, maybe NH wouldn't be that great unless you appreciate personal close relationships with people rather than many superficial ones. Best thing to do if your over 30 and single would be to find a girl overseas and bring her back there to live. Estern European women would like the New England area, and other than being hit on by dudes whenever she goes out alone, most people won't care where she is from and she most likely won't get as Americanized living in NH as she would living in one of the other states.

[Mr S]

I grew up in New Hampshire and it's probably one of the better states in the union. the only downfalls are the winter weather and lack of decent nightlife/social scene. It's a great place to live if you already got a steady girlfriend or wife, and want to raise a family or what not. IT sucks living there if you are under 21 or a single guy cause as stated previously it is very hard to meet decent looking women there, most are fat or over weight. However, it is still a majority white state with only a very small minority percentage living in the state and most of them are concentrated in Manchester or Nashua. Personally, I would stay away from the Manchester area. The liberal social experimentation has turned it into a mini Lowell MAssachusetts type atmosphere, lots of crime in comparison to the rest of the state. It's better to live in one of the smaller towns or cities. I don't think New Hampshire would secede from the union, I'm not sure there are enough independent minded people living there cause many of the Massholes have moved there to the southern part and influenced the government to try turning it like Massachusetts. Although, they are failing I think. I hate people who move away from their f***ed up states then go and try voting in the same leftist democrat wackos that have ruined states like Massachusetts! I know Vermont has a clause in it's constitution that it can secede at any time and be it's own country or merge with Canada. It actually was a separate country for a short time before deciding to join the union. But Vermont is probably one of the worst wannabe socialist states and has the leftists from New York and Massachusetts living there so they have a lot of nanny state dopey laws, plus it's expensive to live there in comparison to New Hampshire. If you have to live in New England New Hampshire is by far the best state. Maine is okay too but not as good cause they still have some liberal tendencies and the government has been trying to force Somali refugees down the peoples throats there, so you have those muslim people from a desert part of Africa living in Maine! WTF?!?

Anyways, if you need any advice about New Hampshire just PM me. I can provide suggestions if you are still deciding where to live. I grew up in the southern part near the border of Massachusetts, so I'm most familiar with that area, around Nashua and Manchester and towns around there.

I just visited NH for a week because I was thinking of moving there. Mostly because of the libertarian mindset of the state. It is definitely beautiful country there. Mostly friendly people, except I wasn't too impressed with Manchester. It looked like that is where all the riff-raff lived.

The hottest girls I saw where in downtown Keene. I couldn't believe I was in the USA from how hot they where on average. I'm pretty sure if I had gone to college in NH, I would have been married by now. NH is also the 2nd least religious state, which would have suited me just fine.

So Mr. S, did you have any experiences with good girls in NH growing up?

Well Manchester is where the government decided to start their social experiment back in the 90's where they dumped refugee minorities into White majority states to "diversify" them. The city used to be okay when I was a kid but nowadays its not so much because a lot of the kids of some of these refugees are now in their 20's and above causing problems as well as illegal mexicans that have moved in. Yeah, they don't cause all the crime but over the last 15+ years Manchester has changed into one of the cities where one didn't have to worry about crime into one where one needs to watch themselves walking around the streets nowadays. The government dropped refugees into all the majority white states to try to change the demographics. I think it's caused more problems then its solved. One of the main reasons I don't care for left-wing ideology about how everyone is equal and can get along with each other, that's bull shit. Just stay away from Manchester, if you have to live in a bigger city Nashua is tolerable.

Keene is where the state universities are as well as some private ones. So you will have university aged women living in that area, as well as foreign students. I actually met a Russian girl who was working in a bar in Makati that actually was an Exchange student at Plymouth state, which I found surprising! She was quite good looking and good speak marginal English and was so desperate to help her family she was working in a go-go bar in Makati! She obviously came from a good family and was intelligent, how she fell into that who knows. But she said she like NH. That is the type of girl you want, go to someplace in Eastern Europe and bring one back.

I have no idea how the dating scene really is for people over 21 in NH, I can only make assumptions because I left at 19 to join the Navy. I was socially inept with women in my teens so I can't comment on how successful one might be with locally bred women. I would say you can meet women if you put the effort into it and make an attempt to go to places or do things that interest you and you can meet like minded individuals. I think joining a local gym is a good way to maybe meet potential single women casually. But it actually might be easier to pull in a girl living in MAssachusetts since there is a larger population there and more variety to choose from. You would just have to be willing to drive longer distances. Most women over 30 are a bit chunky unless they are health nuts and watch their weight. So keep that in mind. IF you want a height/weight proportionate local girl, you will have to expand your horizons a bit and be willing to meet girls from surrounding states as well. If you are semi-successful eventually you will meet a local girl there, it just takes some time and patience.

There are good looking white girls in NH, but usually their looks start going once they hit their mid-twenties. So you gotta grab them young if you can or find a health nut older one.

[Mr S]

If Canada is so worried about Americans working in Canada, why did I hear so many Canadians saying "I hope to find work in America". Canadians, bless their little hearts, seem to adhere to a feminist-like dogma that grants them the God given right to work in America...but don't any of you stinky Americans DARE to think you can come to Canada for anything other than spending your money. Canadians are a strange lot.

A lot of our supposed "American" actors, actresses, comedians, musicians, models, etc are actually Canadians....Go figure!?!?

[Simoun]

Trust me, American women hate white guys too unless you happen to be a 6'4'' lawyer and then they'll be happy to meet you. That said, they'll turn on anyone that doesn't agree with them.

Ha ha! I'm a 6'2" lawyer. You know what I grew tired of? The disinterested act. They'd give me a once over and act like they didn't give a shit and it was up to me to convince them that I was worth their time. Whatever the hell that was, sorry, I'm not interested. Dating should not be like deciphering a f***ing Rosetta Stone.

[boycottamericanwomen]

Trust me, American women hate white guys too unless you happen to be a 6'4'' lawyer and then they'll be happy to meet you. That said, they'll turn on anyone that doesn't agree with them.

Ha ha! I'm a 6'2" lawyer. You know what I grew tired of? The disinterested act. They'd give me a once over and act like they didn't give a shit and it was up to me to convince them that I was worth their time. Whatever the hell that was, sorry, I'm not interested. Dating should not be like deciphering a f***ing Rosetta Stone.

Cool post, man. I haven't seen you around here before, Simoun. What bullshit this is- YOU are a f***ing lawyer and a handsome man, and they expect YOU to do all the work, to "convince" them that you should be "worthy" of spending a moment of time with them. The insanity and arrogance of American women is simply horrible. The only real and sane option is to completely avoid them and go only for foreign chicks.

[sushiman]

Yeah regarding the growing trend, I think it going to continue and accelerate. What's the point of the USA? I had money a great job, cool condo, sexy woman, so what. The food is shit, the people are dissatisfied, overworked, argue constantly, no real communication, no enthusiasm, no emotions... how boring.

I'm in Asia now (permanently) and the quality of life is so much better. Mostly male English teachers and military here (which I am not). Hopefully other types are going to catch on, do see business guys occasionally. Rarely see white women, they just can't compete here. The Korean girls are just so pure, and sexy, and filled with true joy, and sweet to talk to...and then you see this bulky angry faced sarcastic white woman...ugh nobody wants that.

Actually I was talking with this Korean girl last week. She's like so you like Asain women? I'm like well yeah who doesn't! And she like in classic Korean bluntness "American women". I'm like yeah? And shes like "yeah, cause they are jealous". Which is just soo true. Occasionally you will see the semi-attractive middle class white girls dress up to goto the club. They try to pull off the fun pure-yet-slutty look that only Korean ladies can do...and yeah a total fail. I think most of hate it here and can't wait to get out.

[djfourmoney]

The London Riots was started over the protest of a Police shooting of an unarmed Black Man they claimed was armed. When it was found out they lied, he wasn't armed and had no explanation for it, just proves once again in Anglo/Western Culture a Black Man's life isn't worth shit.

Actually, I would take the riots to mean that people thought his life was worth shit. Otherwise, why would so many people be rioting about it. And it wasn't just blacks rioting. Admittedly, once the rioting started, the people participating towards the end where just in it for the excitement.

BTW, if you really want to get rid of the police harassment, you should be against the War on Drugs. That has locked up more blacks than just about anything. Plus most drug convicts never committed violent acts.

I agree the riots themselves was a product of an Anglo Saxon culture pursuing a return to the Robber Baron era at the start of the Modern Industrial Age.

I 100% agree with you on the rest of your points

[djfourmoney]

Well from a Middle Class lenses I would expect a post like this. Maybe I'm getting more militant in my 40's, but I'd hate the thought of just minding my own business only to become a victim that's my main concern and what fuels my outrage over murder of innocent Black Men. The London Riots was started over the protest of a Police shooting of an unarmed Black Man they claimed was armed. When it was found out they lied, he wasn't armed and had no explanation for it, just proves once again in Anglo/Western Culture a Black Man's life isn't worth shit.

Why do White People assume when they live among other minorities they don't see any problems? Are you hanging out on every corner? The OC is basically quiet compared to say East LA or the Lakewood area. The drama zone in the OC is Santa Ana, not Anaheim.

Any girl I want huh? Should I mention I am a DJ too and have had residents in some of the largest clubs in LA/Hollywood? My social life is a bit complicated. I have taken myself off the market because I'm unemployed. But before that I worked in a male dominated company selling auto parts. Not really a place to meet women. Because I sort of don't give a f**k, I live at home. That's another strike. I don't know what it is, but I always seem to attract smart women that don't fall for the drag and bullsh*t some other women seem to take from people I know. Something is off around here, but maybe its because I really allow women to be aggressive and I'm not aggressive with them. I have been aggressive with women off and on, gotten one night stands out of it, pulled college co-ed's, etc, etc. Maybe I'm lazy and don't like chasing women, I like women that want to be caught, the least amount of effort involved the better.

@ DJ

Honestly, I think the London Riots with the black guy being shot was a time and place thing. I highly doubt London Metro said "He's black shoot him and kill him NOW!". It just happened to be that way, innocent white guy's get shot by black police officers every day. You don't see me pulling the white card saying all of you guy's are evil. We all live in a very multiracial society now, stuff like this is going to happen over and over again. It's time to get use to it.

I did grow up semi middle class, until my parent's divorced. Then I lived with my mom and we were poor for a long time while she struggled to find a good job. Things were hard, me and my brother shared can's of green beans growing up.

I think the L.A. dating scene is screwed up because there are simply too many people per square mile. There's a normal average joe just like you and me wether it be black or white 6'1" or 5'9" on every other corner in that city. Too many options complicates things. It's like driving down the blvd starving, seeing a subway, mc donalds, in and out, ihop, some random korean restaurant all in one look.

That being said go to Europe and find a good one. That's the hurdle in this country, finding a good one. I thought that moving to the midwest thing's would be better out here, guess what they are worse and now I'm stuck with shitty weather, shitty food, and even worse women.

IMO, getting a German girl to go to California. You have a lot to offer on that one sentence wit just the weather, lifestyle and job opportunities she may have.

Brat I feel for you brother trust me. We're no different, we are Americans. Its the powers that be that want us busting each others chops over racial and social issues.

LOL, you confirm what I always thought. Some American Men say if you can't find a nice woman in the city to go rural. That is a straight up mistake! You'll end up with an even worst selection of women if you never thought that was possible. Because vanity and looks are not taken as seriously as they are in the major cities, the women just don't care if they gain weight.

I have spent time in rural America both with relatives and driving trucks, not good.

For every cute rural mid-western woman, there ten more that are fat and ugly.

You mean return to Europe Yeah that's the plan I have it about 50% worked out. That said, I've been talking to two Brazilian Women and I got a message from a German Single Mother, yeah I know. But in Germany, its different. She told me the same story I have heard at least ten times now. Her son's father is African, but the results are the same. When she was three months pregnant with her son, she found out she wasn't the only woman in his life. This is typical of outcomes. Not every relationship but quite a few. The woman is attentive, trusting and pleases her man, but the lure of strange p***y and easy access corrupt men. Plus she's fairly attractive, thin and under 30 (29).

Right now I'm considering some additional DJ Equipment and might pursue some club gigs in Germany. As it stands I'll have enough money by Feb 2012 to pay for a ticket and have roughly 500E to spend. Luckily short term apartment rentals in Berlin are cheap. If I bring my food with me (in a Polarcooler) that will save me enough money to hopefully date women at the pace I want, which is about two dates per day. That is if you I don't get snared by somebody

[Heart of Shadows]

I've seen this fleeing America stuff first in 2008 but it was more on the account of the student loan debt situation(no matter how hard the media tries to hide it and obummer try to hide it). No discharge for student loans plus the shitty economy means that they are either forced to sit unemployed, get a crappy job that you can't live off of because the loans ruined your credit or leave(smart choice) and forget it all. Even if you don't go to college you still end up f***ed because alot of jobs that were simple to get and supported you and your family now not only pay alot less but have bogus requirements attached to them too(Secretary position that pays alot minimum wage, requires a degree and requires you to speak Spanish). At this point the only people who haven't left yet are the people with no money as the wealthy have already left this place but in the future that won't stop anybody anymore.

[boycottamericanwomen]

Yeah regarding the growing trend, I think it going to continue and accelerate. What's the point of the USA? I had money a great job, cool condo, sexy woman, so what. The food is shit, the people are dissatisfied, overworked, argue constantly, no real communication, no enthusiasm, no emotions... how boring.

I'm in Asia now (permanently) and the quality of life is so much better. Mostly male English teachers and military here (which I am not). Hopefully other types are going to catch on, do see business guys occasionally. Rarely see white women, they just can't compete here. The Korean girls are just so pure, and sexy, and filled with true joy, and sweet to talk to...and then you see this bulky angry faced sarcastic white woman...ugh nobody wants that.

Actually I was talking with this Korean girl last week. She's like so you like Asain women? I'm like well yeah who doesn't! And she like in classic Korean bluntness "American women". I'm like yeah? And shes like "yeah, cause they are jealous". Which is just soo true. Occasionally you will see the semi-attractive middle class white girls dress up to goto the club. They try to pull off the fun pure-yet-slutty look that only Korean ladies can do...and yeah a total fail. I think most of hate it here and can't wait to get out.

Nice post, I spent some time in South Korea, it's a cool place, the people are so much nicer there.

Korean girl are very sexy, indeed.

I notice that, that white women hate Asia, because they can't compete there, nobody wants them. And they hate asian women, because they are jealous, indeed. That Korean chick knew the truth!

I'm happy to see white men get with asian women, and also because it really pisses off the white women. White women get so pissed when they see white men with asian girls. It's like a slap in their face "Hey white whore, I don't like you and I chose a nice asian girl instead of a white girl".

Please tell me more about your experiences in South Korea and especially with the girls.

[boycottamericanwomen]

I've seen this fleeing America stuff first in 2008 but it was more on the account of the student loan debt situation(no matter how hard the media tries to hide it and obummer try to hide it). No discharge for student loans plus the shitty economy means that they are either forced to sit unemployed, get a crappy job that you can't live off of because the loans ruined your credit or leave(smart choice) and forget it all. Even if you don't go to college you still end up f***ed because alot of jobs that were simple to get and supported you and your family now not only pay alot less but have bogus requirements attached to them too(Secretary position that pays alot minimum wage, requires a degree and requires you to speak Spanish). At this point the only people who haven't left yet are the people with no money as the wealthy have already left this place but in the future that won't stop anybody anymore.

if you are in huge debt, and you leave America, can they trace you or do anything to do when you are gone?

I mean, if you are living in Asia, I don't see how the creditors or debt people can f**k with you, as they seem to only have jurisdiction in America. So, are you saying that if you are a student with a lot of debt, if you simply leave the country, then you are pretty much free, as they can only f**k with you if you live in America?

[Heart of Shadows]

if you are in huge debt, and you leave America, can they trace you or do anything to do when you are gone?

I mean, if you are living in Asia, I don't see how the creditors or debt people can f**k with you, as they seem to only have jurisdiction in America. So, are you saying that if you are a student with a lot of debt, if you simply leave the country, then you are pretty much free, as they can only f**k with you if you live in America?

http://studentloanstories.wordpress.com ... e-country/
http://www.savvysugar.com/Graduates-Fle ... ns-2419216


Yeah pretty much as the wage garnishment thing works in the US but not outside and in some countries they would have to go through foreign court and it would be very expensive that is if they find you once you leave. The only thing they lose is their credit which affects their ability to buy more credit in the united states which since they left doesn't mean much of a damn to them anymore and if you wanted to come back to the states to visit family then you can fly on the plane back to visit and so far not be arrested.

Here's one of the interesting comments from the second one.

"Speaking as a single bachelor in his 30s, I must say that it's not hard to be tempted to leave the U.S. with current skyrocketing unemployment here. This article was written two years ago and since, the economy has went to hell. Also, not to mention, as a single male, "with no kids", it's easy to leave a country with high unemployment, highly unnecessarily politically charged atmosphere, employment discrimination at an all time high, a corrupt business community, a broken "American Dream" and a population of disgusting obese women that have bastard criminal children. Thank God I'm out! Good luck America."

[djfourmoney]

I've seen this fleeing America stuff first in 2008 but it was more on the account of the student loan debt situation(no matter how hard the media tries to hide it and obummer try to hide it). No discharge for student loans plus the shitty economy means that they are either forced to sit unemployed, get a crappy job that you can't live off of because the loans ruined your credit or leave(smart choice) and forget it all. Even if you don't go to college you still end up f***ed because alot of jobs that were simple to get and supported you and your family now not only pay alot less but have bogus requirements attached to them too(Secretary position that pays alot minimum wage, requires a degree and requires you to speak Spanish). At this point the only people who haven't left yet are the people with no money as the wealthy have already left this place but in the future that won't stop anybody anymore.

Student Loan Debt is a huge problem for recently graduated students. I purposely decided NOT to go the Pro-profit school mode when I saw a PBS Frontline Report about For Profit Schools and how some people got degrees and companies didn't accept them as assets to employment. I went to the local trade school, paid $120 total for A+ Class. CompTIA A+ will cost $240 to take. All I need is Network + which is $350 and that is equal to BS in Computer Science. With what I learned alone in A+ I can pass Network + over the min passing grade. Some of his students have scored well into the 90% range on BOTH test. I saw no reason to the Jr. across the street...

As for relocating, too many Americans have been brainwashed into believing everywhere but America is a 3rd World Ghetto or Oppressive Socialism Government preventing innovation and entrepreneurial vision, complete utter bullsh*t.

This is why so many Americans don't have Passports, lots of them see no problem with where they are. If not that, they believe its expensive to travel outside the country. Its not if they cut out some bad habits like drinking too much beer, smoking and dating local women, they would save you easily enough to go just about anywhere on the planet. Some people get tax returns large enough to fund a vacation anywhere... But choice to used it on something in an effort to keep up with the Joneses.

When I told my co-workers at Pep Boys I was going to Europe, they couldn't believe it. One of my co-workers was stationed in Europe when he was in the Navy and another co-worker is married to German born woman, he went back to visit her family back in the mid 70's. He was a small business owner after that so it wasn't possible to keep going back together, but I think his wife has been back a few times. Besides them nobody else could understand the draw of going... This is typical

Most of the wealthy has not left for fear of being taxed heavily. Jim Rogers I think lives full time in Singapore but still has a home in America. The Rich don't care because they have private jets and live in gated communities, they don't have to see the pain, suffering and continued shrinking of the middle class. The ultra rich helicopter in and out of the city as they need too.

[djfourmoney]

@DJ

The one night stand's do get old, I have been in plenty of them. I'm 25 now I will probably wait it out another 5 years until getting married. Can't wait to find the one I'm looking for, all I know is she probably isn't here she's over in Europe.

You can wait or you can start looking now. Its not hard to find a woman to accept your financial position. If you want to build something together, just find a woman that's supportive. You automatically eliminate Gold Diggers. Green Card Hunters might have more patience but I think you can flip that by saying you wouldn't mind staying in her home country, maybe even prefer it.