I probably used too much hyperbole, but it was only in response to what I feel is hyperbole on your part as well. I don't see some mixture of race...a little mocha in your vanilla...to be all that bad of a thing. The hyperbole I mentioned is that that the white race is going to implode due to birth rates. The white race is merely going to mix into the other races. Just like the entirety of the Philippines is a melting pot of the races of their various occupations. I see an incredible diversity that is all considered "one race" but each one looks so much different than the other.AmericanInMexico wrote:When I said you gave up, I meant you basically wrote off the entire white race. You made it sound like white people are going to die out no matter what and we should just accept this new reality.BigDug wrote: I gave up what? I didn't see that point as something that needed debating. I only brought up birthrates to illustrate a point. I'm not personally on a crusade to maintain my race, nor do I feel like anyone else should either. I think people should live their lives the way they want. I don't think people are down on "white women", only women of American and other Western cultures. I personally find asian women more attractive, but I have dated mostly white women throughout my life. I have also dated hispanic (equadorian, mexican, and puerto rican). If I found an American women who would treat me with the level of respect, love, and undying devotion (that whole "till death do us part" thing), then I'm more than open to that possibility. But 50% divorce rate with 70-90% initiated by the woman means I have about a 40% chance of my woman leaving me and taking half my stuff in America. But that's a different discussion.
I agree with you about people throwing the word "racist" around too much. Honestly, every single person on the planet has some racial bias. Whether it's cultural upbringing, media induced stereotypes, personal biases developed through interaction, or subconscious preferences and desires. We all have some sort of "racism" inside us. Some more than others. I don't really think that is the driving force of this website though.
Race is not a concern of mine when it comes to what my child will look like. What you call, "giving up", I call "not allowing race to sway my decisions". I'm not in a race to maintain white peoples' population. And maybe I was wrong to knock your decision based on the fact that our "white population" is eventually going to collapse, because honestly none of that is a motivation of mine.
You can have your bias to only procreate with white people and I can respect it without calling you a racist (as I have not used that word towards you.) I have less bias when it comes to race and what I want my children to look like. Will my child have less opportunity or be more disrespected because of his race? Probably, as no other race on the planet enjoys less racism than pure white people. But I'm also short, which means I carry short person genes, and short people are just as disrespected in the world. So I don't really have much option as I am a short, bald guy who already carries inferior genes. So should I not have children at all?
Does white people dying out not bother you? What if it was that the Native Americans were all going to die out? Would you then find that to be horrible?
I would find it horrible that any race were to die out.
I thank you for not using the word racist, since it is the most meaningless word. As for being short, come to Mexico and get a white Mexican woman. I am 5'8 and have no problem meeting white women here. Only in the United States are women obsessed with dating men 6'5 tall.
It's also funny what we consider "white". Spaniards are "white", but Mexicans are not? I've seen plenty of Japanese people who are "white" as they stay out of the sun (umbrellas in the daylight). What exactly is "white"? Are you referring to people with an absence of pigment, or people from specific countries?
There's a nice wiki article on white people. Here's an excerpt:
White people as a social category:
A three-part racial schema in color terms was used in seventeenth century Latin America under Spanish rule.[15] Irene Silverblatt traces "race thinking" in South America to the social categories of colonialism and state formation: "White, black, and brown are abridged, abstracted versions of colonizer, slave, and colonized.[16] "The term white came into wide use in the British colonies in America from the 1680s.[8][17]
Also:
White people as a social category
The study into race and ethnicity in the 18th and 19th centuries developed into what would later be termed scientific racism. During the period of the mid-19th to mid-20th century,[24] race scientists, including most physical anthropologists classified the world's populations into three, four, or five races, which, depending on the authority consulted, were further divided into various sub-races. During this period the Caucasian race, named after people of the North Caucasus (Caucasus Mountains) but extending to all Europeans, figured as one of these races, and was incorporated as a formal category of both scientific research and, in countries including the United States, social classification.
There was never any scholarly consensus on the delineation between the Caucasian race, including the populations of Europe, and the Mongoloid one, including the populations of East Asia. Thus, Carleton S. Coon (1939) included the populations native to all of Central and Northern Asia under the Caucasian label, while Thomas Henry Huxley (1870) classified the same populations as Mongoloid, and Lothrop Stoddard (1920) excluded the populations of the Middle East and North Africa as well as those of Central Asia, classifying them as "brown", and counted as "white" only the European peoples.
Some authorities, following Huxley (1870), distinguished the Xanthochroi or "light whites" of Northern Europe with the Melanochroi or "dark whites" of the Mediterranean.
So...are you referring to countries alone, or as a whole? There has already been a huge mixture in the US between all of the European countries who immigrated. As an English/French/Scottish mixed man (which I am), is it ok to mate with a Spaniard or Portuguese woman who is also considered "white"? and not ok to mate with a Chinese woman? Is it ok to mate with a Russian woman who looks "white" but not ok with a Russian woman who looks like she might be from Korea or China?
Where do we draw the line when we have had so much mixture already? Where are you going to find this pure white woman you speak of? Or is it only based on pigmentation amount? How much tanning does a woman from Spain (who is considered white) have to do before she loses her "white card"?
Honestly, the discussions on this forum has inspired a renewed interest in Sociology and Anthropology that I never had before!
(Edit) Here's the US Census definition:
"The current U.S. Census definition includes white "people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa.[139]"
***So by that reasoning, marrying someone from Iran would be considered marrying another "white" person.***
"The cultural boundaries separating white Americans from other racial or ethnic categories are contested and always changing. According to John Tehranian, among those not considered white at some points in American history have been: the Irish, Germans, Jews, Italians, Spaniards, Hispanics, Slavs, and Greeks.[142] Studies have found that while current parameters officially encompassed Arabs as part of the White American racial category, many Arab Americans from places other than the Levant feel they are not white and are not perceived as white by American society.""
***Essentially it boils down to this: I am a mixture of 3 different European races already. So my blood is already mixed and impure. So what would I be "saving" by avoiding asian women?***
