Observations of American Society From A Recent Returnee

[Contrarian Expatriate]

As some might be aware, I was not living in the US for 8 straight years. I have recently returned to spend the next year and I've taken note of some things are quite different:

Positive changes:

-The younger generation of females (25 and below) seems to be rejecting the feminist hatred of the previous generation. This is encouraging, but we are not out of the woods. They still enjoy and partake in female social privilege, but they are less aggressive about it.

-People seem a bit less materialistic than before. This is surely due to the recessionary economy and it needs to translate into a higher regard for knowledge, experience, and relationships with family/friends. We are not there yet.

-There seems to be more ethnic tolerance than ever before. Tolerance does not equate with affinity mind you, but there is a a greater ease with people who are different in most cases. It is yet to be seen whether this is just a more covert hostility or genuine capitulation to changing demographics.


Negative changes:

-There is larger paranoia about men in the US, although it might be greater in some areas than in others. I was talking with an attractive bartender and a decent-looking patron in Baton Rouge. We were chatting about travel and at one point the bartender remarked that she would love to travel more but she would never travel alone since it is so dangerous out there. The patron agreed with her and remarked that she never leaves the hotel unless her boyfriend is along. I believe this paranoia is self-imposed and derives from the guilt of female privilege in America. In other countries, women 10 times hotter than these two walk the streets alone at night even in areas considered high crime.

-There is a foolish arrogance in American men like never before. Coming off as confidant even in the face of ignorance is very prevalent. Think back to the government officials who balked that a 9/11 scenario could ever happen in the US, or the fools that believe the US is the greatest country in the world for virtually everything, or the dolts that believed our economy will never flounder in crisis because we are in the USA, or the financial pundits that said the stock market would never tank again due our strong economic "fundamentals." It is said that certainty is but refuge for "second rate."

-Women here are more fat and unattractive as ever. Hard economic times contributes to a decrease in a population's beauty due to poorer dietary habits and less favorable living conditions. I am aghast at how decent-looking men resort to such unsightly creatures in the US now.

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy in America!

-Crude informality is the norm now. It is rare for young people to have common courtesy and respect for elders in the US. Everything is informal and nothing is sacred nowadays. These flash mobs and wilding youths in Philadelphia will be a recurring and spreading phenomenon as the children of wayward children are coming of age.

-Before we used to rail against the entitlement mentality of females. Now males exhibit this mentality to a lesser degree. This is most obvious in the area of employment. Young people walk around pining for employment, but they refuse to take a job that is "beneath them."
If you are unemployed, there is no job that is beneath you, none. For this reason, the unemployment rate remains high at 9%. People are seeking the job that they think they deserve, not the job that they need. This will change when things get worse however.

-There is also a greater overall lack of sophistication of the US population regarding politics and economics. Most Americans do not know what the Federal Reserve does. Most Americans do not know what the President's role in the economy is, yet a President is elected or re-elected almost solely on the state of the economy. A President can certainly not "create jobs" other than hiring more federal employees. A President can assist Congress in creating an economic environment for jobs to be created, but he cannot "create jobs" like most Americans expect. If the unemployment rate dips 5% during the next year, it will not have been because of the President's "creating jobs." Economic conditions permit institutions to create jobs.

-Foreigners are beating native-born Americans at our own game. The children of many immigrant groups are developing financial, educational, and social savvy that our children are failing to develop due to their inability to delay gratification. Look at the freshmen classes of our Ivy League institutions. They are increasingly immigrant, and more power to them.

Conclusion: The world is passing by the US before our eyes. Our people are poorly educated or trained, our children are child care castoffs, and our adults are resting in the laurels of former American preeminence. Change is inevitable in a society, especially one a fluid as the US. Simply willing your way to remain at the top without the requisite effort is a prescription for failure as a society. We are failing.

[zboy1]

It's nice to get a perspective of an expatriate returning to America. Some interesting observations you've made, especially the comment about the "world passing by the U.S. before our eyes." I'm actually much more pessimistic about this country than you are, Contrarian. BTW, what part of the world were you in? Did you have any reverse culture-shock coming back? I know I did after I came home from Europe after my stint in the Air Force ended.

[Fenix]

As some might be aware, I was not living in the US for 8 straight years. I have recently returned to spend the next year and I've taken note of some things are quite different:

Positive changes:

-The younger generation of females (25 and below) seems to be rejecting the feminist hatred of the previous generation. This is encouraging, but we are not out of the woods. They still enjoy and partake in female social privilege, but they are less aggressive about it.

-People seem a bit less materialistic than before. This is surely due to the recessionary economy and it needs to translate into a higher regard for knowledge, experience, and relationships with family/friends. We are not there yet.

-There seems to be more ethnic tolerance than ever before. Tolerance does not equate with affinity mind you, but there is a a greater ease with people who are different in most cases. It is yet to be seen whether this is just a more covert hostility or genuine capitulation to changing demographics.


Negative changes:

-There is larger paranoia about men in the US, in fact in might be greater. I was talking with an attractive bartender and a decent-looking patron in Baton Rouge. We were chatting about travel and at one point the bartender remarked that she would love to travel more but she would never travel alone since it is so dangerous out there. The patron agreed with her and remarked that she never leaves the hotel unless her boyfriend is along. I believe this paranoia is self-imposed and derives from the guilt of female privilege in America. In other countries, women 10 times hotter than these two walk the streets alone at night even in areas considered high crime.

-There is a foolish arrogance in American men like never before. Coming off as confidant even in the face of ignorance is very prevalent. Think back to the government officials who balked that a 9/11 scenario could ever happen in the US, or the fools that believe the US is the greatest country in the world for virtually everything, or the dolts that believed our economy will never founder in crisis because we are in the USA, or

-Women here are more fat and unattractive as ever. Hard economic times contributes to a decrease in a population's beauty due to poorer dietary habits and less favorable living conditions. I am aghast at how decent-looking men resort to such unsightly creatures in the US now.

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy in America!

-Crude informality is the norm now. It is rare for young people to have common courtesy and respect for elders in the US. Everything is informal and nothing is sacred nowadays. These flash mobs and wilding youths in Philadelphia will be a recurring and spreading phenomenon as the children of wayward children are coming of age.

-Before we used to rail against the entitlement mentality of females. Now males exhibit this mentality to a lesser degree. This is most obvious in the area of employment. Young people walk around pining for employment, but they refuse to take a job that is "beneath them."
If you are unemployed, there is no job that is beneath you, none. For this reason, the unemployment rate remains high at 9%. People are seeking the job that they think they deserve, not the job that they need. This will change when things get worse however.

-There is also a greater overall lack of sophistication of the US population regarding politics and economics. Most Americans do not know what the Federal Reserve does. Most Americans do not know what the President's role in the economy is, yet a President is elected or re-elected almost solely on the state of the economy. A President can certainly not "create jobs" other than hiring more federal employees. A President can assist Congress in creating an economic environment for jobs to be created, but he cannot "create jobs" like most Americans expect. If the unemployment rate dips 5% during the next year, it will not have been because of the President's creating them.

-Foreigners are beating native-born Americans at our own game. The children of many immigrant groups are developing financial, educational, and social savvy that our children are failing to develop due to their inability to delay gratification. Look at the freshmen classes of our Ivy League institutions. They are increasingly immigrant, and more power to them.

Conclusion: The world is passing by the US before our eyes. Our people are poorly educated or trained, our children child care castoffs, and our adults are resting in the laurels of former American preeminence. Change is inevitable in a society, especially one a fluid as the US. Simply willing your way to remain at the top without the requisite effort is a prescription for failure as a society. We are failing.

I agree with the bold text by 100000000000000000000000000000000000000%

[magnum]

I so deeply want to escape this giant jail cell called the usa.... I was spawned from its ignorance and grew up the definition of American ignorance, but I'm too f***ing stubborn to die this way, I will educate my self and escape my ignorant counterparts...even if it takes me years... estimate by 31 I'll have escaped, if only it could be sooner.

[NorthAmericanguy]

As some might be aware, I was not living in the US for 8 straight years. I have recently returned to spend the next year and I've taken note of some things are quite different:

Positive changes:

-The younger generation of females (25 and below) seems to be rejecting the feminist hatred of the previous generation. This is encouraging, but we are not out of the woods. They still enjoy and partake in female social privilege, but they are less aggressive about it.

-People seem a bit less materialistic than before. This is surely due to the recessionary economy and it needs to translate into a higher regard for knowledge, experience, and relationships with family/friends. We are not there yet.

-There seems to be more ethnic tolerance than ever before. Tolerance does not equate with affinity mind you, but there is a a greater ease with people who are different in most cases. It is yet to be seen whether this is just a more covert hostility or genuine capitulation to changing demographics.


Negative changes:

-There is larger paranoia about men in the US, in fact in might be greater. I was talking with an attractive bartender and a decent-looking patron in Baton Rouge. We were chatting about travel and at one point the bartender remarked that she would love to travel more but she would never travel alone since it is so dangerous out there. The patron agreed with her and remarked that she never leaves the hotel unless her boyfriend is along. I believe this paranoia is self-imposed and derives from the guilt of female privilege in America. In other countries, women 10 times hotter than these two walk the streets alone at night even in areas considered high crime.

-There is a foolish arrogance in American men like never before. Coming off as confidant even in the face of ignorance is very prevalent. Think back to the government officials who balked that a 9/11 scenario could ever happen in the US, or the fools that believe the US is the greatest country in the world for virtually everything, or the dolts that believed our economy will never founder in crisis because we are in the USA, or

-Women here are more fat and unattractive as ever. Hard economic times contributes to a decrease in a population's beauty due to poorer dietary habits and less favorable living conditions. I am aghast at how decent-looking men resort to such unsightly creatures in the US now.

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy in America!

-Crude informality is the norm now. It is rare for young people to have common courtesy and respect for elders in the US. Everything is informal and nothing is sacred nowadays. These flash mobs and wilding youths in Philadelphia will be a recurring and spreading phenomenon as the children of wayward children are coming of age.

-Before we used to rail against the entitlement mentality of females. Now males exhibit this mentality to a lesser degree. This is most obvious in the area of employment. Young people walk around pining for employment, but they refuse to take a job that is "beneath them."
If you are unemployed, there is no job that is beneath you, none. For this reason, the unemployment rate remains high at 9%. People are seeking the job that they think they deserve, not the job that they need. This will change when things get worse however.

-There is also a greater overall lack of sophistication of the US population regarding politics and economics. Most Americans do not know what the Federal Reserve does. Most Americans do not know what the President's role in the economy is, yet a President is elected or re-elected almost solely on the state of the economy. A President can certainly not "create jobs" other than hiring more federal employees. A President can assist Congress in creating an economic environment for jobs to be created, but he cannot "create jobs" like most Americans expect. If the unemployment rate dips 5% during the next year, it will not have been because of the President's creating them.

-Foreigners are beating native-born Americans at our own game. The children of many immigrant groups are developing financial, educational, and social savvy that our children are failing to develop due to their inability to delay gratification. Look at the freshmen classes of our Ivy League institutions. They are increasingly immigrant, and more power to them.

Conclusion: The world is passing by the US before our eyes. Our people are poorly educated or trained, our children child care castoffs, and our adults are resting in the laurels of former American preeminence. Change is inevitable in a society, especially one a fluid as the US. Simply willing your way to remain at the top without the requisite effort is a prescription for failure as a society. We are failing.

+1

[boycottamericanwomen]

I so deeply want to escape this giant jail cell called the usa.... I was spawned from its ignorance and grew up the definition of American ignorance, but I'm too f***ing stubborn to die this way, I will educate my self and escape my ignorant counterparts...even if it takes me years... estimate by 31 I'll have escaped, if only it could be sooner.

I hear you man, I always was desperate to get out. The most simple thing is, try to start some kind of internet business, or some type of business you can do from remote control that doesn't require you to physically be in America. If you can make just 500 bucks a month from it, you'll have enough to live easily in Asia.

[AmericanInMexico]

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy.

I am 100% against feminism. However, don't you think there is a way to get rid of feminism other than bringing in immigrants from non-feminist countries?

Yes, it's true that these immigrants are anti-feminist, but a lot of them are also against freedom for women. Do we really want another Saudi Arabia? That's what Dearborn, Michigan has turned into.

[boycottamericanwomen]

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy.

I am 100% against feminism. However, don't you think there is a way to get rid of feminism other than bringing in immigrants from non-feminist countries?

Yes, it's true that these immigrants are anti-feminist, but a lot of them are also against freedom for women. Do we really want another Saudi Arabia? That's what Dearborn, Michigan has turned into.

What's wrong with Saudi Arabia?

Look, you can either have a society that's dominated by males or dominated by women. There is no equal ground. One group will always gain superiority, so this whole myth of equality is not only bullshit but IMPOSSIBLE to achieve.

[AmericanInMexico]

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy.

I am 100% against feminism. However, don't you think there is a way to get rid of feminism other than bringing in immigrants from non-feminist countries?

Yes, it's true that these immigrants are anti-feminist, but a lot of them are also against freedom for women. Do we really want another Saudi Arabia? That's what Dearborn, Michigan has turned into.

What's wrong with Saudi Arabia?

Look, you can either have a society that's dominated by males or dominated by women. There is no equal ground. One group will always gain superiority, so this whole myth of equality is not only bullshit but IMPOSSIBLE to achieve.

I have nothing wrong with men leading. But I think you will agree with me that we don't want a society where miniskirts are banned.

[swincor]

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy.

I am 100% against feminism. However, don't you think there is a way to get rid of feminism other than bringing in immigrants from non-feminist countries?

Yes, it's true that these immigrants are anti-feminist, but a lot of them are also against freedom for women. Do we really want another Saudi Arabia? That's what Dearborn, Michigan has turned into.

What's wrong with Saudi Arabia?

Look, you can either have a society that's dominated by males or dominated by women. There is no equal ground. One group will always gain superiority, so this whole myth of equality is not only bullshit but IMPOSSIBLE to achieve.

I have nothing wrong with men leading. But I think you will agree with me that we don't want a society where miniskirts are banned.

Perhaps not, but the point is that women cannot have a leading, or even equal, role in how society is run.

Women have to have controls imposed on them, according to what men in any given society deem appropriate.

[NorthAmericanguy]

-There are far more immigrants in the landscape than ever before. High end places that were once white and Jewish are now largely Asian, Indian, and White now. On the lower end, there are far more people of foreign origin all around. While this is negative in the larger sense, it may be a blessing in disguise as third world nations are the least feminist. This may be the last hope for overcoming feminist orthodoxy.

I am 100% against feminism. However, don't you think there is a way to get rid of feminism other than bringing in immigrants from non-feminist countries?

Yes, it's true that these immigrants are anti-feminist, but a lot of them are also against freedom for women. Do we really want another Saudi Arabia? That's what Dearborn, Michigan has turned into.

What's wrong with Saudi Arabia?

Look, you can either have a society that's dominated by males or dominated by women. There is no equal ground. One group will always gain superiority, so this whole myth of equality is not only bullshit but IMPOSSIBLE to achieve.

I have nothing wrong with men leading. But I think you will agree with me that we don't want a society where miniskirts are banned.

I'm not a sexual prude at all, but I believe that women in public should cover themselves up (unless it's a remote tribal community in the woods), especially if they're already taken.

Not sure if you ever had a GF who dressed sexy, but I did once, and it's all fun until she dresses sexy even when you're not around (that's the catch 22), or her clothing attire unnecessarily arouses other men which then puts you in danger when you're with her because you can't keep a low profile so have to protect her (and she might even WANT a situation to go down). And what about work now that men and women work together?

The heart of the matter, however, is that the way Western women dress, for the most part, is inappropriate. I have seen girls a young as 13 with booty shorts on all the way to skirts on older women that were so high she was basically naked from the waist down just taking a stroll at the mall knowing many guys (self included) were stopping what they were doing just to take a stroll behind her.

It's just not right man, Western women (and the women in the media) are cock teases and they get off on it and I'm sick of it. I should be able to walk around in public and not have my sex drive constantly teased and titillated, especially when Western society itself gets in the way to suppress the actual sex act between two consenting adults and does not publicly offer men a healthy sexual outlet.

I much in favor of the Indian dress code where the women wear long flowing colorful robes. It's the best! A woman can still be sexy, sensual, and ladylike.




This is all I need to see in public, a slim body, pretty face, and pretty feet in some sandals! This woman looks WAY BETTER then American trash who have no taste.

[AmericanInMexico]

Perhaps the miniskirt wasn't the best example. Going back to Contrarian Expatriate's original point that these immigrants are anti-feminist, they also do things that we don't necessarily want in the United States.

Just look at what the Muslim immigrants have done to areas of England and France. Did you know that every single rape reported in Oslo, Norway over the past five years has been committed by a Muslim immigrant? In other words, not a single one of the rapes was committed by an ethnic Norwegian.

Don't believe me? Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r58rUuU0hXU

In this video they speak with a Norwegian girl who was raped two years ago and she describes that the man told her he "had the right to do whatever he wanted to do with a woman" because "that's the way it is in his religion."

The video also presents the fact that of the 85 rapes reported in 2005-2010, every single one was committed by a man of "non-western appearance."

There has got to be a better way to end feminism other than importing bad immigrants. Perhaps the best way is to just boycott American women and date foreign women, as most of us are doing.

[Taco]

Perhaps the miniskirt wasn't the best example. Going back to Contrarian Expatriate's original point that these immigrants are anti-feminist, they also do things that we don't necessarily want in the United States.

Just look at what the Muslim immigrants have done to areas of England and France. Did you know that every single rape reported in Oslo, Norway over the past five years has been committed by a Muslim immigrant? In other words, not a single one of the rapes was committed by an ethnic Norwegian.

Don't believe me? Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r58rUuU0hXU

In this video they speak with a Norwegian girl who was raped two years ago and she describes that the man told her he "had the right to do whatever he wanted to do with a woman" because "that's the way it is in his religion."

The video also presents the fact that of the 85 rapes reported in 2005-2010, every single one was committed by a man of "non-western appearance."

There has got to be a better way to end feminism other than importing bad immigrants. Perhaps the best way is to just boycott American women and date foreign women, as most of us are doing.

The same problems exist in Sweden and most of Europe too. I don’t have much optimism for the future of my race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlG75wb7lLw

[djfourmoney]

Nice review...

However I do have some problems with what is being said from some posters.

First, this desire to restrict a woman's option to dress herself the way she wants is against common sense. You have not nearly the problems in Western Europe or Eastern Europe with crime against women that American feminist make it out to be.

I like mini skirts and other so called aggressive dressing that females do in Anglo/Western Culture. Instead of trying to make what you want over the entirety of society, marry a more conservative women who will wear longer dresses and slacks mostly if that's what you want.

This desire a control a woman's behavior but yet be fearful of how Western Culture will influence her does't make any sort of sense at all.

[djfourmoney]

Perhaps the miniskirt wasn't the best example. Going back to Contrarian Expatriate's original point that these immigrants are anti-feminist, they also do things that we don't necessarily want in the United States.

Just look at what the Muslim immigrants have done to areas of England and France. Did you know that every single rape reported in Oslo, Norway over the past five years has been committed by a Muslim immigrant? In other words, not a single one of the rapes was committed by an ethnic Norwegian.

Don't believe me? Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r58rUuU0hXU

In this video they speak with a Norwegian girl who was raped two years ago and she describes that the man told her he "had the right to do whatever he wanted to do with a woman" because "that's the way it is in his religion."

The video also presents the fact that of the 85 rapes reported in 2005-2010, every single one was committed by a man of "non-western appearance."

There has got to be a better way to end feminism other than importing bad immigrants. Perhaps the best way is to just boycott American women and date foreign women, as most of us are doing.

The same problems exist in Sweden and most of Europe too. I don’t have much optimism for the future of my race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlG75wb7lLw

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