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is it just me or does it seem like a lot of foreign people in the states are so in you're face with the pride of they're country, and it seems as if the darker they are or closer to black they are the more they are in you're face with the proud to be boricua stickers and the puerto rican flag or dominican flag hanging out of they're car.i knew a white dude that was from argentina but i didn't know it for the longest but a black dominican will let you know in a heart beat that he is dominican and él tiene orgullo de ser dominicano!just stuff that i think about.and why is it that in other countries where there are emigrants like brazil they don't forget about they're country but focus more on being a brazilian.just shit i think about sometimes.

skateboardstephen wrote:is it just me or does it seem like a lot of foreign people in the states are so in you're face with the pride of they're country, and it seems as if the darker they are or closer to black they are the more they are in you're face with the proud to be boricua stickers and the puerto rican flag or dominican flag hanging out of they're car.i knew a white dude that was from argentina but i didn't know it for the longest but a black dominican will let you know in a heart beat that he is dominican and él tiene orgullo de ser dominicano!just stuff that i think about.and why is it that in other countries where there are emigrants like brazil they don't forget about they're country but focus more on being a brazilian.just shit i think about sometimes.

It's something I notice quite a bit as well. Coming from a diverse place like NYC, you definitely see this behavior among many minority groups, whereas Whites tend not to be in your face about it except for Italians and Jews. I suspect the racism aspect has a lot to do with it, meaning that minorities don't feel like they are a part of the majority and therefore shun assimilation. I think this applies to most Asian groups and possibly Arabs and Muslims as well. When the majority race (Whites) tend to look down on you, might as well flaunt your ethnicity and throw it back in their face.

Other groups like Puerto Ricans act way too prideful at times, which can get quite annoying after a while. Illegal Mexicans are also guilty of this as well. They actively despise the United States, White Americans, and Blacks, which is why there seem to be way too many racial conflicts involving Mexicans in this country. Jews in general tend to be very cliquish and distrustful of outsiders and non-Jews (goyim), and will not involve themselves with other racial groups too much. Italian Americans on the other hand, can be way too prideful in their heritage--just as much as Puerto Ricans--which can come off as quite obnoxious to be honest. The well known "Jersey Shore" guido stereotype is there for a reason.. Also, I have noticed how racist many Italian Americans can be--especially towards people of color sometimes.

Overall, I blame all of this tribalism on the hyper-competitive and individualistic nature of society in the United States Since neighbors rarely talk to each other in this country, why deal with or associate with people outside of your race? Look at this way: How many neighborhoods do you know that is separated by racial or ethnic enclaves? Take for example, the suburbs where whites actively seek to escape from Blacks and other minorities, which results in "White Flight."

The problem in the United States is that a lot of the ethnic groups tend to be at each others throats, which in turn, decreases the level of unity and solidarity among the different ethnic groups in the country. Without a sense of unity and togetherness in a society, you might as well end up like Yugoslavia and break up into different squabbling nationalities and nations.

It is all the result of the English snobberies way back in the 1600s. Back in those times either you were English or you were a nobody. The more the immigrants tried to assimilate, the less badly they were treated provided they looked and acted Anglo. So, other North Euros assimilated and all this mish mosh of the English descendants and colonial English wannabes or "forcedtobes" became collectively known as "white people". In Europe, there is no such term, by the way, UK excluded but it imitated the US. Like son, like father.

Now, when those people who could not look or act Anglos came, this is when the "melting" became "segregation". And the mechanism was set into motion thus you see the wheels turning up until this day.

In Brazil, a Portuguese man was not that nasty and did not consider non Portuguese subhuman. Many assimilated into the native cultures around them and married into them. A Portuguese person is not high strung, does not have a strong and pedantic race doctrine and is just laid back and mostly just wants to enjoy life. Hence, in Brazil, the society does not have this nasty segregation as in the US.

Don't know if the US will have a Balkan effect. In the Balkans you had countries each populated by one ethnic group and named by the name of that group- Serbia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Macedonia, with minorities from neighboring countries. The countries were held together in an unnatural state of Yugoslavia. When it fell apart, they chased the minorities back to the neighboring states which were named after the ethnicity of that person ( after they had been in the country for centuries). Serbs went back to Serbia, Croats to Croatia. This was done militarily with the aid of troops.

The US does not have official states of Whitia, Hispania, Blackia and Asiania. It has an Indiana, so, what of it? All the Native Americans will be thrown there?

How can it break up? And will the troops help? No way!

Btw, Puerto Ricans, Samoans and Guamanians do not come from "another country" and are not foreign people. Those who are citizens are are not dual nationals are also not foreign people no matter how they call themselves. But many call themselves by those names because people around them call them that way instead of calling them just Americans. It is a sick way of dealing with people and it creates a sick reaction. Here in the Philippines any citizen of any color is just a Filipino. Why is it so easy for them and so hard for the US?

In Brazil, a person who has lived there a long time and speaks Portuguese well becomes a Brazilian. It is just that simple. In the US, even if you are born there and do not look Anglo, you are always called Chinese, Japanese, Asian, Black, Italian. WTF? Or they would hyphenate you at best. That is just the way it has all developed. But it sucks, it is wrong and screw it! I dont accept it and no one should.

Trying to fit into this nasty apartheid system in whatever way can only create anger and wrong understanding of how humanity should work. It is not a normal system and any attempt to glorify it such as calling it multiculturalism is putting lipstick on a pig. Adjusting oneself to it will make you angry and hateful. It is an abberation, this is why we all here try and combine only good things of America with good things from other countries rather than accepting the segregation.

Great Black American thinkers and philosophers for one, should not even be called Black but just Americans. But we are in it too deep; changing it requires rehauling the entire American taxonomy system. Anyone here willing to take up the project?

ladislav wrote: Trying to fit into this nasty apartheid system in whatever way can only create anger and wrong understanding of how humanity should work. It is not a normal system and any attempt to glorify it such as calling it multiculturalism is putting lipstick on a pig. Adjusting oneself to it will make you angry and hateful. It is an abberation, this is why we all here try and combine only good things of America with good things from other countries rather than accepting the segregation.

Ladislav is right on the money here. I have noticed that in the U.S. various minorities also harbor a lot of distrust and competitive aggression against each other as well. Blacks don't like asians and vice versa. "Hispanics" and blacks don't get along. It's often volatile when ethnic neighborhoods overlap or when people from different communities are in the same school. This system is created by the U.S.'s longstanding racial policies which creates all sorts of oddities and inferiority/superiority complexes in society.

I look at the U.S. prison population as a good example of what happens when all social civility and pretension is removed. You end up with competing racial groups forming self interested alliances murdering each other based on skin color and money. I have not heard of prisons in let's say Brazil with these sorts of racial animosities. This is all created by U.S. socialization and it's inherently a very negative thing that threatens stability.

The U.S. government knew this back in the 60's which is why the civil rights laws were passed with great resistance. The majority of the population actually didn't want the laws but with the ongoing cold war etc.. this sort of domestic turmoil would threaten the fabric of the U.S. so they had to do something about it.

america is a racial hell. I urge you to move and live abroad.

conformity = being used (useful idiot) = nigger synthesis

Its got worse in the last 20 years. In the 1940s immigrants wore suits & ties and were overjoyed to get American passports, now many immigrants spit on the American flag. These people should just go back to their country (by force) if they don't want to assimilate.

polya wrote:Its got worse in the last 20 years. In the 1940s immigrants wore suits & ties and were overjoyed to get American passports, now many immigrants spit on the American flag. These people should just go back to their country (by force) if they don't want to assimilate.

With the way the culture is, can you really blame them? With all the bad things Amerca has done in the world, can you blame them?

Its got worse in the last 20 years. In the 1940s immigrants wore suits & ties and were overjoyed to get American passports, now many immigrants spit on the American flag. These people should just go back to their country (by force) if they don't want to assimilate.

Don't be so ignorant! I am an immigrant and certainly thankful for all the good things America had given me. But just think about all the problems immigrants face! Especially those that come legally, like this video from RT. I was one of them and struggled really badly for the first 2 years. Also there is no explanation on American life to new arrivals, such as which neighborhoods are safe, which jobs to apply and how to buy a car etc. I am NOT even going to mention relationship situation, which is basically just extinct!

Boricua and Dominicans and Haitians etc, play upon this false sense of pride out of insecurity and an inferiority complex. Those of us who have lived and worked in those places know that there is ever so little to be proud of there, but those from there understand that most Americans are so ignorant of other cultures that we are apt to believe there is much to be proud of.

If you really want to impress them, why don't you talk about the high poverty, rising violent crime, and bleak economic outlooks in each of those countries?

Why don't you ask them if those places are so great, why did they move and stay here? Say, "It must not be so great since you and your family are not living there!"

I never hear people from the respect-worthy nations brag and boast. Have you heard a German, or Swiss, or Japanese, or Aussie, or Kiwi, or Canadian, or (take your pick) saying that nonsense? I have not. I only hear it from Albanians, Puerto Ricans, and other rinky dink nationalities.

polya wrote:Its got worse in the last 20 years. In the 1940s immigrants wore suits & ties and were overjoyed to get American passports, now many immigrants spit on the American flag. These people should just go back to their country (by force) if they don't want to assimilate.

Where did the spitting happen? The only time that I could think of something like this was with the Iranian students- not immigrants and also, some Mexican migrants who are in the US to get jobs. But was it spitting? Some put Mexican flags above US flags but many of those are illegal people who are also into the Aztlan thing and who do not recognize the annexation of the Southwest by the US. These are not the 1940ies legal immigrants at all. The legal ones who get US passports are just as happy as the ones before. But they also keep in touch with the old countries because it is easier now and one can fly back and fourth cheaply, plus there is the Internet and all that. And they are doing the right thing in the global economy/global village rather then succumbing to 18th- 19th century nativistic/nationalistic Planet America isolationist ideas.

And my other point was that assimilating is not as easy as that. Many would like to assimilate but they are not allowed to and are constantly called by the name of the old country and have the words "Mexican-born", "Polish- born" attached to them. And are called immigrants long after they have been naturalized. And illegal aliens are also called " immigrants". So, there is no difference in the minds of the media. And those born in the US are still hyphenated or not even hyphenated. Just called by the name of a country they have never even been to. This is not a healthy situation, there is a lot of social and job discrimination long after people have gotten those passports or even born in the country.

I take a balanced look at the whole thing and look for solutions and one is simply combining the US with a couple of other countries. And it is a suitable and a very modern and sensible solution for an increasingly global environment in which we live.