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A few thoughts about America's unusual immigrant quotas

Postby Repatriate » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:08 am

U.S. immigration law seems to favor mass immigrants from poor neighboring countries (mostly Latin America) and it's skewed specifically for older single men with average technical skills or above avverage educational background.

So the net result is you end up with poor disenfranchised men from developing world countries living in reclusive communities and doing menial work that's far below their immigrant skill level. I have seen Engineers with Master's degrees from China waiting tables. Doctors from Haiti driving cabs. These groups are also generally despised by the white majority U.S. population. It creates an underclass because sociologically speaking men do not adapt well in foreign cultures that are more well off than their homeland until enough time passes where entire communities have been integrated. Social mobility remains low and these men who are usually desperate import families from their homeland which produces an entire underclass that has problems integrating. You see this repeated over and over again throughout U.S. history it took a century for Irish, Italian, Jews, Polish groups to integrate. For the "other" non-white categories much of the population still hasn't truly been accepted on equal terms.

Logically, it makes more sense to allow a ratio of much more women to men as immigrants. Women integrate better and are more likely to marry or be accepted by "local" men. Women are also less likely to come with a pre-existing family. Education and technical skill wise it's a push. There are millions of well educated young women from the developing world who would love to have a better career and social mobility.

So, what do you all think about this? Is it the usual feminism which prevents the logical or is there some other sociological reason behind this that i'm not seeing?

Edit: I'd prefer this to be a no-troll type of topic. So i'm automatically ignoring anyone below 500 posts or so and registered before (edit: I mean after) 2009.
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Re: A few thoughts about America's unusual immigrant quotas

Postby zboy1 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:21 pm

Repatriate wrote:U.S. immigration law seems to favor mass immigrants from poor neighboring countries (mostly Latin America) and it's skewed specifically for older single men with average technical skills or above avverage educational background.

So the net result is you end up with poor disenfranchised men from developing world countries living in reclusive communities and doing menial work that's far below their immigrant skill level. I have seen Engineers with Master's degrees from China waiting tables. Doctors from Haiti driving cabs. These groups are also generally despised by the white majority U.S. population. It creates an underclass because sociologically speaking men do not adapt well in foreign cultures that are more well off than their homeland until enough time passes where entire communities have been integrated. Social mobility remains low and these men who are usually desperate import families from their homeland which produces an entire underclass that has problems integrating. You see this repeated over and over again throughout U.S. history it took a century for Irish, Italian, Jews, Polish groups to integrate. For the "other" non-white categories much of the population still hasn't truly been accepted on equal terms.

Logically, it makes more sense to allow a ratio of much more women to men as immigrants. Women integrate better and are more likely to marry or be accepted by "local" men. Women are also less likely to come with a pre-existing family. Education and technical skill wise it's a push. There are millions of well educated young women from the developing world who would love to have a better career and social mobility.

So, what do you all think about this? Is it the usual feminism which prevents the logical or is there some other sociological reason behind this that i'm not seeing?

Edit: I'd prefer this to be a no-troll type of topic. So i'm automatically ignoring anyone below 500 posts or so and registered before 2009.


The problem with the U.S. immigration system is that it encourages the less-skilled immigrants over the high-skilled immigrants due to stupid quota rules, point of origin laws and favoritism towards people who have relatives already in the country, resulting in immigrants from mainly Third-World countries that lack education skills and money. That's why a huge number of illegal and legal immigrants are on some kind of welfare assistance from the government. Did you know there are literally thousands of immigrants in our universities and colleges that are turned away because they could not obtain a visa to stay in our country, while millions of illegals can literally walk across the border and mooch of our system?

Why can't this country adopt a point-system of immigration modeled after every other sensible Western country that rewards people with money and education, rather than where they were born? Of course, anything sensible would never be adopted by our wonderful Congress and President...

As for choosing men over women, I don't think that would be a bad idea, but the truth is men are much more productive to society than women are; It's mostly men in the fields of technology, science, engineering, medicine and architecture. It's men not women that power a civilization ahead, truthfully. Women are only expected to take care of children and produce babies. Sure, women have achieved a lot in this country, but if the U.S. were to only bring in females here rather than men, the result would probably be an increase in the number of unproductive, lazy, welfare-assisted people than they already are in this country.
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Re: A few thoughts about America's unusual immigrant quotas

Postby Repatriate » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:05 pm

zboy1 wrote:The problem with the U.S. immigration system is that it encourages the less-skilled immigrants over the high-skilled immigrants due to stupid quota rules, point of origin laws and favoritism towards people who have relatives already in the country, resulting in immigrants from mainly Third-World countries that lack education skills and money. That's why a huge number of illegal and legal immigrants are on some kind of welfare assistance from the government. Did you know there are literally thousands of immigrants in our universities and colleges that are turned away because they could not obtain a visa to stay in our country, while millions of illegals can literally walk across the border and mooch of our system?

Yes, and you can blame that on stupid politically correct laws and pandering to a hispanic voting bloc when it comes down to election time. What's troubling is that instead of doing what's best for the nation things are becoming more skewed into racial/factional political movements.


As for choosing men over women, I don't think that would be a bad idea, but the truth is men are much more productive to society than women are; It's mostly men in the fields of technology, science, engineering, medicine and architecture. It's men not women that power a civilization ahead, truthfully. Women are only expected to take care of children and produce babies. Sure, women have achieved a lot in this country, but if the U.S. were to only bring in females here rather than men, the result would probably be an increase in the number of unproductive, lazy, welfare-assisted people than they already are in this country.

I don't mean to imply that it should be all women but it should be modified from what it is now. I think immigration quotas overwhelmingly favor men with technical skills as it stands. Let's face it there's no shortage of skilled professional men in the U.S. The whole scarcity of IT workers and engineers is bullshit trumped up by corporations who were trying to get congress to allow more H1b workers into the country that they could pay less and exploit with unfair employment contracts.

I really do feel women integrate better on average and with the way the social dynamics are skewed in the U.S. it would certainly benefit everyone to have more educated skilled women.
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Re: A few thoughts about America's unusual immigrant quotas

Postby skateboardstephen » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:10 pm

Repatriate wrote:
zboy1 wrote:The problem with the U.S. immigration system is that it encourages the less-skilled immigrants over the high-skilled immigrants due to stupid quota rules, point of origin laws and favoritism towards people who have relatives already in the country, resulting in immigrants from mainly Third-World countries that lack education skills and money. That's why a huge number of illegal and legal immigrants are on some kind of welfare assistance from the government. Did you know there are literally thousands of immigrants in our universities and colleges that are turned away because they could not obtain a visa to stay in our country, while millions of illegals can literally walk across the border and mooch of our system?

Yes, and you can blame that on stupid politically correct laws and pandering to a hispanic voting bloc when it comes down to election time. What's troubling is that instead of doing what's best for the nation things are becoming more skewed into racial/factional political movements.


As for choosing men over women, I don't think that would be a bad idea, but the truth is men are much more productive to society than women are; It's mostly men in the fields of technology, science, engineering, medicine and architecture. It's men not women that power a civilization ahead, truthfully. Women are only expected to take care of children and produce babies. Sure, women have achieved a lot in this country, but if the U.S. were to only bring in females here rather than men, the result would probably be an increase in the number of unproductive, lazy, welfare-assisted people than they already are in this country.

I don't mean to imply that it should be all women but it should be modified from what it is now. I think immigration quotas overwhelmingly favor men with technical skills as it stands. Let's face it there's no shortage of skilled professional men in the U.S. The whole scarcity of IT workers and engineers is bullshit trumped up by corporations who were trying to get congress to allow more H1b workers into the country that they could pay less and exploit with unfair employment contracts.

I really do feel women integrate better on average and with the way the social dynamics are skewed in the U.S. it would certainly benefit everyone to have more educated skilled women.


what? more educated skilled women to kick us in the ass about how much more money they are making than us?i do not agree with that. but the rest is on point though.
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Postby momopi » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:40 pm

The gender ratio of immigrants to US is roughly equal overall, but varies greatly from ethnic group to ethnic group. i.e. there are more female immigrants from PH & S. Korea, vs. more male immigrants from India and Mexico.
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Re: A few thoughts about America's unusual immigrant quotas

Postby ladislav » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:05 pm

U.S. immigration law seems to favor mass immigrants from poor neighboring countries (mostly Latin America) and it's skewed specifically for older single men with average technical skills or above average educational background.


Hmm, would be interesting to see the statistics that support this. My observations are the US brings in people on H-1 visas who are already qualified and these get good jobs and build houses in India, etc. Then it brings in refugees and these have a hard climb up the social ladder, so much is true. And then you have poor laborers from Mexico. Mexican doctors and dentists love their own country and do not think of leaving.

So the net result is you end up with poor disenfranchised men from developing world countries living in reclusive communities and doing menial work that's far below their immigrant skill level.


There are cases like, that but as a rule, this situation is temporary. If they are doctors, etc, they study English, take professional tests and after several years work in their professions. In case of older refugees, things are in fact as you have described and sometimes age gets in the way.


I have seen Engineers with Master's degrees from China waiting tables. Doctors from Haiti driving cabs.


Non English speaking countries. Most of these situations will eventually be resolved. Either they learn English well enough to pass board exams or save up enough to go home or something else will happen like them finding a similar niche. The underclass is largely formed by uneducated classes who cannot go home.


These groups are also generally despised by the white majority U.S. population.


And blacks and everyone else.

It creates an underclass because sociologically speaking men do not adapt well in foreign cultures that are more well off than their homeland until enough time passes where entire communities have been integrated.

Must agree with it. Not that they do not adapt well, more like they are not allowed to adapt. Completely true! By the time communities are integrated, these men will have long been dead, too.

Social mobility remains low and these men who are usually desperate import families from their homeland which produces an entire underclass that has problems integrating.


Yup, and if the native born population was not so mean to them in the first place, integration would happen much easier.
You see this repeated over and over again throughout U.S. history it took a century for Irish, Italian, Jews, Polish groups to integrate.


Yup, becoming an American usually takes three generations.

For the "other" non-white categories much of the population still hasn't truly been accepted on equal terms.


True, and it goes for those born and raised in the US and those who don't have any other citizenship except the American one.

Logically, it makes more sense to allow a ratio of much more women to men as immigrants. Women integrate better and are more likely to marry or be accepted by "local" men. Women are also less likely to come with a pre-existing family. Education and technical skill wise it's a push. There are millions of well educated young women from the developing world who would love to have a better career and social mobility.


Correct, but the US has traditionally been built by men and it is men that usually depart on foreign journeys to help their families and make money. If women are independent and educated enough to leave their homelands, most are from countries where things are good enough as it is. Educated ladies from developing countries traditionally need family's permission to go overseas and few will grant it. Also, the US cannot have an immigration policy that expressly favors a certain sex over the other. Anti discrimination laws will not allow it to happen.

The exceptions are the Philippines, Jamaica, Belize which import nurses into the US.
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