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Postby odbo » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:44 am

leavingusa wrote:Marriage is already WAY down in the west with many articles in the mainstream pondering why men don't marry women, we are winning.

What are we winning? Or do we have to wait until the end for a prize?

It seems to me the movement is leading to an anti-climax to say the least..
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Postby leavingusa » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:55 am

odbo wrote:
leavingusa wrote:Marriage is already WAY down in the west with many articles in the mainstream pondering why men don't marry women, we are winning.

What are we winning?


Eventually they will have to change the laws, repeal no fault divorce, alimony, dv laws, etc. to bring the men back to the table.

Once this is established the woman cannot simply marry a man for scam and control the relationship with threats of divorce or false accusations.

BTW the system itself as a whole will collapse on its own within a year or two, which means any "jobs" left will be practical in nature.

Women are only good for government bullshit jobs so they will either have to become prostitutes or wives. Things will become more equitable for the betas as they were in the past because women will need them.
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Postby odbo » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:05 pm

leavingusa wrote:
odbo wrote:
leavingusa wrote:Marriage is already WAY down in the west with many articles in the mainstream pondering why men don't marry women, we are winning.

What are we winning?


Eventually they will have to change the laws, repeal no fault divorce, alimony, dv laws, etc. to bring the men back to the table.

Once this is established the woman cannot simply marry a man for scam and control the relationship with threats of divorce or false accusations.

BTW the system itself as a whole will collapse on its own within a year or two, which means any "jobs" left will be practical in nature.

Women are only good for government bullshit jobs so they will either have to become prostitutes or wives. Things will become more equitable for the betas as they were in the past because women will need them.

Sure, and pigs will fly. Laws will not change themselves, and the people of America have long proven themselves apathetic and deserving of punishment for it.

The alpha-beta paradigm is bs. I have looked at it from every angle. I think the best explanation is that using Hollywood, they have redefined alpha. In nature there are leaders and there are followers. Through social engineering the last few decades, real alphas (leaders) are not seen as desirable by women, and the most useless of all men (something below beta) are most desirable. These are the 'bad boys', which is a euphemism for loser. So now the good men have to change themselves just to attract American women. It's a clever way to derail society, by using women to lead men into degeneracy.
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Postby leavingusa » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:50 pm

With or without MGTOW the system that favors women will collapse.

Sure the ones with high flying careers might not mind right now but HR manager is not a career. lol And even a lot of women get jobs in those fields just so they can rub elbows with a big fish. Many women now reaching permanent spinsterhood status without rug rats

Yes a lot of women have cushy gov sponsored jobs and a lot of men not in those positions are hurting.

However when uncle sugar runs out of money the party is over for the dearies. There will be blowback just as there was in Russia. You guys forget the commies tried this feminist shit and it backfired already. Russian guys aren't exactly noted for their chivalry, there is a reason.

The bretton woods USD gravy train is finished, the world is tired of giving away real goods for toilet paper. The commodity markets are rigged but that con game is coming apart fast. Your dollars in a couple years aren't going to get you there. Whatever currency you convert it to is no sure thing either although the farther from USD and EUR the better.

If you leave you'd better get the money by the end of the year. I plan to die here and not of old age.

See I actually believe in America and I don't think I should have to leave. Maybe the people who did this should leave, maybe they should run while they still can.
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Postby leavingusa » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:55 pm

odbo wrote:
leavingusa wrote:
odbo wrote:
leavingusa wrote:Marriage is already WAY down in the west with many articles in the mainstream pondering why men don't marry women, we are winning.

What are we winning?


Eventually they will have to change the laws, repeal no fault divorce, alimony, dv laws, etc. to bring the men back to the table.

Once this is established the woman cannot simply marry a man for scam and control the relationship with threats of divorce or false accusations.

BTW the system itself as a whole will collapse on its own within a year or two, which means any "jobs" left will be practical in nature.

Women are only good for government bullshit jobs so they will either have to become prostitutes or wives. Things will become more equitable for the betas as they were in the past because women will need them.

Sure, and pigs will fly. Laws will not change themselves, and the people of America have long proven themselves apathetic and deserving of punishment for it.

The alpha-beta paradigm is bs. I have looked at it from every angle. I think the best explanation is that using Hollywood, they have redefined alpha. In nature there are leaders and there are followers. Through social engineering the last few decades, real alphas (leaders) are not seen as desirable by women, and the most useless of all men (something below beta) are most desirable. These are the 'bad boys', which is a euphemism for loser. So now the good men have to change themselves just to attract American women. It's a clever way to derail society, by using women to lead men into degeneracy.


Sure, because women reward the most successful reproducers with sex. In this environment the omegas (seducers, deadbeats) are most successful since the gov ties the alphas and betas hands and artificailly lowers their status.

Yes the laws will change just as they changed before the feminist movement. There will be a very big blowback against the feminists that has just started and it will come from the women because things will get so bad for them. There's already women who want the old arrangement back because as it turns out most of these "careers" are not that much fun and resemble something called work. Many women are reaching permanent spinster status and realize they were sold a bunch of bullshit.

Remember, no more food stamps, no more WIC, no more welfare, no more government/corporate job, no more alimony. In a few years they'll be f***ed.

You are thinking things have been the same so long that they cannot change. Remember the people who said real estate always goes up? Where are they now?
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Postby leavingusa » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:10 pm

When the shit hits the fan in America all you're gonna need to pick up a girl is a gun and food/shelter.
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Postby green1976 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:12 pm

billy wrote:leavingusa, they can raise taxes. The system already feeds the woman with
children through the welfare system. The reason in the first place why woman
needed man was to raise children. Because of the system they don´t need
men anymore.

And because of that woman don´t need to marry. Because they have already
what they want. But some woman want to have some luxury so they still want
to marry.

Anyway, think about it. When you would live frugal and save money and spend
it in 3rd world countries for example with mini retirements. That would be a much
tougher statement from you than that what you do now.

p***y costs already only 20 Dollars in Thailand. You don´t have to wait untill the
sytem breaks. Which will probably not happen. Look at the world for example
Scandinavia they made prostitution illegal. Thing will be much worse. You will
be criminalized when you go to a hooker.

Abroad will be your last resort. I am 38 years, so I know what your chances might
be with girls.

Don´t live from hope it´s not realistic. Things will get worse not better.
MYCOW is already a ghetto for man who are afraid of the enemy.

Battlefield, no. Life is a battlefield. We fight everyday for surviving and not to
be slaves of somebody. Woman are one of many enemies who want to kill us.
That´s life. To see woman as enemies is making yourself low. They should be
your prey.

True, men die from woman, but men die for many reasons not only woman.
Don´t make it your religion to fight woman. Enjoy life, f**k the bitches and don´t
f***ing argue with woman. That doesn´t make any sense. Go where you are the
master. Go to Thailand and then f**k the bitches and don´t feed the f***ing
sytem.

Don´t talk about equal rights. WTF should that mean? Are you feeling such low that
the system should make laws for you. The system wants to f**k. You should get out
of the system. p***y prizes will never drop in the first world.


Common sense but these people have lost it.

Has one of my friends told me before going abroad to SEA particularly Thailand:"Don't tell anybody about Thailand,don't tell to any of your friends about how it's easy there and how it's cheap..let them where they are"

That sums up everything and i was quit skeptical before my first trip and now i understand why he says that.

The ironical things is that MTGOW finally help us in blocking many males who want to go abroad because it's true that some Thai woman who were not acting like our stereotypical AW spoiled brat..now test the weak Western males and behave like a princess.

Still,the ground is far better there than here, meanwhile i won't deny that the influx of so many males who have understand that our society are DOOMED forever regarding male female interaction, have transformed Thai females in the bad way.

The only realistic solution is individual.
You take your life on charge by going abroad keeping to stay in shape and having the money for it.

They are not social,political,or any movement who will change what is going on in the US and to a broader range in Western countries.

Females will get more and more advantages,males will be more and more frustrated having porn,or medications to compensate that.

Females in western countries prefer to stay alone,buying a cat or a dog,swallowing any molecules the system will give to them,eating TV shit all day long but they won't raise the white flag to males.

Males will still be what we seeing now and more desperate.

I really can take the bet..without any doubt..that you could still whine in your basement still 50 years from now for nothing,for any notorious gain worth it.

Does who don't understand that there is a race against the clock by going abroad and salving yourself,will be crushed in their own countries expecting a dreaming outcome where things will get more equal between males and females.

By the way,for those who are radical MTGOW,who are condemning any females on this planet and who reject totally the abroad possibility,i tell you have fun in your eternal struggle to change the problem where you are.

I'm off to Thailand in some weeks banging some hot chicks,going to see some of my nice ex girlfriends who give me some sex easily for almost nothing,going to a society where sex and male sex desire is not criminalized and where still females understand the importance of the sexuality and where sex is not treated as something taboo or special who give the women the power to consider their pussies as something made of gold.


Up to you..you stay in your basement fighting..fighting..me i go to LIVE THE LIVE FULLY IN A SOCIETY WHERE I FIT,AND WHERE I AGREE WITH THEIR VALUES.
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Postby leavingusa » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:29 am

I think you'll find as aluded to by green that the girls in Thailand will become princesses and you will have to play them. It's been my understanding that most guys pay over there.

It's not a solution for the masses because if all USA guys go there it will turn into the USA. It's like all the tourist spots where the girls are ice cold from being approached by tourists non stop.

We may agree or disagree on "mad max" but the dollar is going belly up. Assuming things stay normal here I have considered scenarios such as working in Saudi Arabia making big bucks with an American company and spending my generous time off and travel allowances in Asia or Africa. I have about 30k to my name after paying off all my debts, not enough to retire on certainly.

But seriously guys, all signs point to USD not lasting more than a year and I think we will see shit you never thought you would see in America. I would love to think that I had 3 years to work and save another 100k and my dollars will retain purchasing power. I don't want "Mad Max" any more than anyone else but I think we will get it when hyperinflation hits.

That is what I think and I will leave it at that.
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Postby leavingusa » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:40 am

Guys, I appreciate your perspective and Billy I'm glad you will go to Thailand.

The way I see it - that's one less husband for a fat stupid American bitch anyway you slice it.

You go to hell your way and I will go mine, we all get there eventually.
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Postby odbo » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:10 am

Since we men are so useless that we couldn't come up with any solutions to the problems feminism has caused, a woman is here to save the day:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oVzbwYWpg[/youtube]
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Postby Billy » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:07 pm

look at that: at searching for mgtow rooshs blog returnofkings with the post of harry strikes at number 2. so roosh is writing history or what.

anyway did you know that mgtow was deleted at wiki?looks like there is some war going on.
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Postby All_That_Is_Man » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:02 pm

The comments on this thread (namely the anti-MGTOW ones) are astounding! Grunt, where did you get the false idea that MGTOW is a clan of basement-dwelling homosexuals? odbo, where did you get the false idea that "Fight Club" is a story about the forming of a homosexual gang??

Grunt, you accuse MGTOW of being feminists, however, it seems the only feminist here is you. MGTOW have found peace, closure, and content in living their lives happy without being involved with a woman, and you shame them for this. Do you know who else shames these same men for that very same reason?... all feminists.
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Postby lone_yakuza » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:12 pm

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Postby clowny » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:32 am

lone_yakuza wrote:The truth is that MGTOW is not a new phenomenon. Before the industrial revolution and back in the middle ages and whatnot, you think that all men could get a decent looking girl?

Generally only the good looking men who were also of at least middle-class status or royalty could find decent or good looking women.

The working class and peasants? LOOOL Working class and peasant men with such terrible hygiene, starvation, etc. etc. could never get good looking girls because they themselves were ugly as f**k from disease or famine or just bad genetics in the first place.

They had to settle with the ugliest. You think that a good looking peasant girl did not get snatched up by a richer or more powerful person, or maybe the smartest/most intelligent man in town or the strongest man in town or the most important, responsible man in town? Many men lived an entire life without any woman at all.

The difference was that back then, at least they had brothels and decent sometimes sexy looking girls in those brothels, and of course rich men were not guaranteed good looking wives. Also, skinny, in-shape sexy girls were not always seen as "wife" material back in the day, as the numerous average or chubby wives in those old portraits exhibit.



Why do you think many men instead poured their energies into such things as becoming killing machines on the battlefield or wreaking havoc and chaos or the arts or in obtaining money and good foods and becoming merchant kings?

Women were never the main focus in most men's lives back in the day and they should not be today. If you are living only for p***y that will eventually turn into a shriveled old OBAASAN, then I'm sorry, but you are DOING IT ALL WRONG.


Here's why your theory fails.

99.99% of women, even today, are ugly. There is no such thing as a "beautiful woman", it's an illusion created by makeup, spruced up hair, painted nails, high heels, etc. Their beauty is all fakery. Any man whose ever seen a "beautiful woman" without her disguise will know exactly what I mean.

So all these peasant women in the middle ages that you refer to, would have looked like absolute shit in the absence of makeup, hair products, etc. Without these means to artificially inflate their value to men, women would have had no choice but to settle for peasant men who were "ugly as f**k", because the women were ugly as f**k themselves. These women probably would've had to rely on their feminine demeanour and pleasant personalities just to get a man to notice them. Women couldn't afford to be so picky like they are today. Pig.
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