Having "Game" - False PUA Myths

[Derp]

When I was in High school I was interested in learning how to attract women, this was back in 2005-2006. At the time I didn't know how to create attraction and initiate a sexual relationship. The interent was getting big with new information on the subject so I read up on how to attract women. The first time I read up on how to attract women was mind-blowing to me at first. So many complicated rules like your not allowed to show too much interest in a woman and when exactly you should call her, etc, and ect...

It was like studying how to interact with an alien with so many rules and regulations on how exactly to get a woman intersted in you. The concept of having "game" is to make it seem like your the alpha male who is really good at being social in every situation. I practiced this PUA stuff with minimal results. It did boost my confidence and made me more comfortable around women, but getting dates and sex felt more like a chore than something natural and pleasurable.

The two things that I really f***ing hated about PUA was that:

1. If something goes wrong, it's always your fault and not the woman's.
2. Men have to conform to the rules that women set-up in order to date them.

Basically, by being a PUA you are performing a show for the woman's attention in hopes that she will date you and if she doesn't like you, well it's your fault and you need to improve yourself more. That's why I hate PUA now. Before I thought it was just me but after improving myself to the point where I fell like I can't improve any higher, I feel like it's truly the American women that are f***ed up.

I feel like men are starting to wake-up to the PUA scam that it is and will soon realize that it's just American women that are f***ed up. Who agrees with me?

[DarrenFW]

Yes. I agree.
At first, it may be empowering to think that you're in charge, that it's your reality and if something goes wrong in the process its your fault. And while this may be a good believe for self improvement, its not how real relationships work.
They are based on agreement, harmony and love ( this word is never used in PUA).

Any form of manipulation is therefore a symptom of a breakdown in communication/rapport/harmony because with love there is no need for manipulation. Re-read that again if it doesn't make sense.

What I am saying is that manipulation is not needed when both parties are in agreement or harmony. Thus "Game" is unnecessary in love.

Most PUAs put down relationships and love and even marriage. Regular sex with the same gal is not part of their agenda.


Your second point was about following women's rules in order to date/have sex with them. Yes this is also part of the Dating scene in America.
And there is no need to play into this. Its much better to deal on a level playing field where both parties get what they want and its not one sided.

[xiongmao]

The good thing about PUA's is that they know it's a numbers game, whether you want 1 night stands or a wife.

I've dated 12 Asian women now. I guess 4 were clueless about sex, a couple hated my guts, but 2 were up for anything. Those aren't bad odds considering I've only dated English speaking Chinese or Japanese graduates.

[have2fly]

When I was in High school I was interested in learning how to attract women, this was back in 2005-2006. At the time I didn't know how to create attraction and initiate a sexual relationship. The interent was getting big with new information on the subject so I read up on how to attract women. The first time I read up on how to attract women was mind-blowing to me at first. So many complicated rules like your not allowed to show too much interest in a woman and when exactly you should call her, etc, and ect...

It was like studying how to interact with an alien with so many rules and regulations on how exactly to get a woman intersted in you. The concept of having "game" is to make it seem like your the alpha male who is really good at being social in every situation. I practiced this PUA stuff with minimal results. It did boost my confidence and made me more comfortable around women, but getting dates and sex felt more like a chore than something natural and pleasurable.

The two things that I really f***ing hated about PUA was that:

1. If something goes wrong, it's always your fault and not the woman's.
2. Men have to conform to the rules that women set-up in order to date them.

Basically, by being a PUA you are performing a show for the woman's attention in hopes that she will date you and if she doesn't like you, well it's your fault and you need to improve yourself more. That's why I hate PUA now. Before I thought it was just me but after improving myself to the point where I fell like I can't improve any higher, I feel like it's truly the American women that are f***ed up.

I feel like men are starting to wake-up to the PUA scam that it is and will soon realize that it's just American women that are f***ed up. Who agrees with me?

Absolutely agree! PUA felt awkward and "too heavy to learn". That made me think right away that there is something wrong. I figured out the same thing about PUA - why men have to learn interactions with women and not the other way around? That means men have to compete for women even higher with PUA. Another one - why do I have to become "cocky-funny" if I am not that guy? I am honest, serious and intelligent. "BOORING" say American women. "Go f**k yourself" I respond! Enough said.

[Ghost]

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[jamesbond]

Basically, by being a PUA you are performing a show for the woman's attention in hopes that she will date you and if she doesn't like you, well it's your fault and you need to improve yourself more.

Yes, it's like you have perform like a seal at a water show in order to get women to like you. You need to act in certain types of roles in order to get noticed by women and to get approved by women. No thanks, I'll take a pass on American women and just focus on foreign women. I don't need to try and impress an American women just to get her approval.

I don't want to act like someone I am not in order to get an American woman interested in me.

[flyingmonkey9]

Not everyone has the same level of social skills, but still, any form of 'game' is disingenuous and untrue to yourself.

[Seeker]

PUA is just a scam and a very harmful one to men who put faith in it, good to see another sees it what it really is.

http://www.seductionmyth.com/

[jamesbond]

Not everyone has the same level of social skills, but still, any form of 'game' is disingenuous and untrue to yourself.

That's true. I have studied some PUA material over the past few years, (David Deangelo, Mystery and a few others). The one thing I will agree with them is that meeting women is a numbers game.

[chileanueva]

PUA was an early form of seduction, just like Christianity was an early form of philosophy.

Men were clueless of how to attract women and get laid. PUA started a movement to understand the dating game - a first attempt to explain.

It honestly depends on what kind of guy you are and what kind of women you want to f**k. Different strokes for different folks.

My seduction technique is similar to cocky/funny by David DeAngelo, but I temper it with master conversationalism + swagger bravado.

Any old, fat white man with a hot and exotic foreign girl = GOLD DIGGING MAIL ORDER BRIDE. Nobody is fooled by that coupling.

Men need to be financially-stable, physically fit, hygenic, and look decent to attract pretty girls.

[S_Parc]

PUA, or whatever you want to call it, sounds like a dating version of Dale Carnegie or Toastmaster's International. The difference is that the latter will actually get you success at job interviews or in getting new clients for your business or parent company. Thus, since many folks here need some money, work on your career front first.

Then, go to a 'Brazil' or what have you, for love and romance. And yes, you don't need PUA or whatever, to met women there. And yes, it's always a good idea to workout, that's just commonsense. And yes, if you're in shape, decent looking, and a nice person, you'll met plenty of women abroad w/o issues.

Women, stateside, even if you're handsome, smart, and a successful investment banker (since money matters) are typically drama queens with histrionic (or borderline) personality disorders.

Today, I'm beyond bored of stateside AWs at parties or gatherings, since for the most part, all conversations revolve around mixed drinks and getting smashed. BFD, I can get smashed with real friends at a Montreal strip club and boink GFE escorts and actually have some fun.

[Billy]

S_Parc, I heard things are getting difficult in Brasil. Their economy is getting better so the attitudes change. And if you want to have a white looking girl there things will get difficult without game.

I think game exist but you have to put efford in it. So sometimes it´s not worth it. A top understanding of the cuture and using it is "game" in my opinion.

[S_Parc]

S_Parc, I heard things are getting difficult in Brasil. Their economy is getting better so the attitudes change. And if you want to have a white looking girl there things will get difficult without game.

I think game exist but you have to put efford in it. So sometimes it´s not worth it. A top understanding of the cuture and using it is "game" in my opinion.

Well Billy, I've worked in Brazil for some time and 'game' there is not 'game' by USA behavioral standards. And white looking gals there, are not homogenous, like the white gals in America, esp the northeast corridor like Boston/NYC. That's partly why you'll see the typical engineering or accounting type, find himself a nice Brazilian GF because for one, he opens up socially, can take a Meringue class (w/o a Gaydar label following him around), and basically be a laid back character w/o continuous judgement calls being levied against him.

In the USA, men are continually judged up to the point where in effect, a successful fellow is a type of sociopath, who doesn't care for anyone but himself. That's why top Alpha dog American corporate CEOs are thought of as remorseless thieves because in effect, they've been gaming the system all of their lives. I see no comparison between the dating scene in Brazil and that of the USA. They are quite literally, a world apart.

With the above said, sure, class matters. And so an upper class Brazilian woman will want to stay in her socioeconomic echelon but that's understandable. Yet at the same time, not everyone feels like they deserve an investment banker on a white horse, whereas my sister and her American sisterhood, fundamentally believe that that's their constitutional right and so when they settle down with Joe above-average, they feel the need to put them down.

[Billy]

S_Parc I was not in Brazil but I infomed myself at stormfront

In the south the girls are really realy white. In the north they gett darker. The darkest is in Bahia. They say "smil" you are in Bahia. That is sweet . I hope that they have something more than only a smile.

I think if you are in mulattos and black than Brazil is huge. But otherwiese white chicks everywher in the world have their price.

I read a lot at the Roosh site. And the guys complaining about Colombia and Brazil as they changed a lot. Without local language scills things are difficult. Don´t forget the guys there have "game" that is approach and flirt like there is no tommorrow.

But compared to NA you proabably are right.

I should quit reading Stormfront. Odbo is to blame

[S_Parc]

S_Parc I was not in Brazil but I infomed myself at stormfront

In the south the girls are really realy white. In the north they gett darker. The darkest is in Bahia. They say "smil" you are in Bahia. That is sweet . I hope that they have something more than only a smile.

I think if you are in mulattos and black than Brazil is huge. But otherwiese white chicks everywher in the world have their price.

I read a lot at the Roosh site. And the guys complaining about Colombia and Brazil as they changed a lot. Without local language scills things are difficult. Don´t forget the guys there have "game" that is approach and flirt like there is no tommorrow.

But compared to NA you proabably are right.

I should quit reading Stormfront. Odbo is to blame

Yeah, quit reading Stormfront. As for flirting, Brazilians, including the whites, are friendly. I presume that some exclusionary Nazis settled near Argentina (see "Boys From Brazil") but that's not here or there. In Brazil, flirting is merely taking friendliness and being a bit sassy with it. And no, the *players* in Brazil are not like NA weasels; they're much more authentic in the sense that they love parties, having company around, music, dancing, etc. Thus, they're not really players but socializers. I think there's a big difference. And true, speaking Portuguese definitely helps that out. And I've know white, Asian, and Mulatta Brazilian women and they're better than their ethnic counterparts in the USA. The primary issue in Brazil, once again, is that higher socioeconomic brackets, tend to want to separate from lower ones. But that's a global phenomena, not limited to any particular nation-state.