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Postby OTB » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:13 pm

What's happening fellas? It's been a while since I've posted. I've been busy with personal projects. But I'm back with something that might blow some of you away.

Looking at the circumstances I'm in right now does not allow me to move to another country. I signed my lease renewal for my apartment so that means I'll be here in NJ another year. So what am I getting at? Well, it's been way too long that I've been out of the dating game. It's time to get a woman. I can't take this anymore. Holding on to this desire to be with a woman from another country or possibly fleeing to another country to find love is draining and life is just passing me by. Yes, finding a good-hearted, traditional American woman is rare but they're out there. I actually have a beautiful black girl at my job who has been clearly giving me signs of interest in the last month. We greet each other and I keep things casual and natural but we both know there is a mutual attraction. Also everything I've talked about in previous posts about AW women show no signs of interest and all they need to do is give subtle hints of interest, well, this girl does. It's sexy, feminine, but at the same time she is very humble. She smiles and seems very genuine. It's intuition that makes me feel like I should give this a shot.

So what is my point in saying all this? I need experience dating AW. I had one experience dating an American chick and that was back in 2006. I have to put myself out there and just go for it and see what happens. I'm not going into this with the mindset that the first girl I start talking to may be my wife. No. I'm going into this so I can get some experience and get to know someone and take it from there. In this case I'm going to take my chances with the black chick. From her looks and mannerism she doesn't seem like your average, ghetto black girl. So let's see what happens.

Now as I said before in previous posts, in my travels I've met some really friendly women and I find foreign women easier to talk to and I feel I click better with women from other cultures. However, I'm not in a position to meet women from abroad but I can meet them here. Do I want life to pass me by hoping to expatriate to find love? Life is too short fellas. We're not promised tomorrow, next month or next year. If a woman comes your way and you get a good vibe from her see what she's about. Another thing to keep in mind is don't take them seriously. NorthAmericanGuy noted this as well. I'm just going for the ride and seeing where I end up. But the bottom line is I need experience. If things don't go well with the black chick I move on. Then I can say I gave it a chance and that's an experience.

This is not coming from being influenced to date AW. It's just that life is too short. I love woman and it's time to get one. I need to spend some time interacting and dating a American woman whether she is Hispanic, Asian, white, or black. This will be an experience. I'm not saying I'll date any AW. I'm saying I'm being selective. I listen to my intuition. I'm observant of how she talks and carries herself. Then down the line if things fail I move on. I may have to move on several times BUT when those who say there are plenty of good women out there I can say I gave those so called good AW a chance and I know from EXPERIENCE they're not worth my time anymore. At that point I can look abroad. But let's see what happens here fellas.

I'm sure many of you have had plenty of experiences with AW which have turned you bitter. You know from experience that it's best you look somewhere else. Now I have to take the plunge and see what happens.
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Postby manly5000 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:42 pm

Good night sweet prince.


It always amazes me how quickly one's resolve flies out the window the moment an ameriskank shows interest.

No offense intended.
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Postby FREEDOM1 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:44 pm

Well all I can say is good luck
But if you want to go overseas, you need to plan it
It just doesnt happen - so i hope you dont regret your decison
of staying put
Im also curious - i always hear Americans say - Life is short
I dont hear any other nationality ever say this
It seems that Americans are in such a rush and are panicked to get
everything done now - big fear and scarcity mentality
Actually if you live in A Western country - your life is going to be long
80+ years on average
maybe just see a lady of the night once a week - you wont feel so eager
just a thought
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Postby have2fly » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:24 am

Good luck! I just canceled my Match.com subscription after spending 5 month there and only 2 girls wrote me! I wrote to hundreds, and I only had ONE date and that date was with Russian speaking girl who had lived in the U.S. for a long time. I did not like her personality, she was so mentally enclosed and shy/closed-off, it seemed like she has a mental disease, maybe she did actually. So I told her good bye.

I went to the club this weekend, same exact non-sense, it seems to get worse! I walked into a club, there is a dancefloor with some girls dancing and like 20-30 guys just standing watching the dancefloor with a drink in their hand! Looks so f***ing disgusting! I know how those guys feel, I used to feel the same and be one of them. The ratio was even worse in both clubs this weekend, like 70% guys and 30% girls. It doesn't get any better, does it? It seems to get worse.

Now I am chatting with a girl from Russia on the Winston's website. She is telling me that girls are so tired of going to clubs because it is like 80% girls in the clubs! Guys don't even care about going out in Russia. In many other countries it is the same situation, especially in poor countries where men left for work to Western Europe, like Estonia or Latvia, Moldova - ANY guys are hard to find over there. I would move to live in Estonia or Latvia any day, girls are beautiful blondes over there and life quality is almost as good as Western Europe! Just google some videos about Tallinn, it looks like Prague or maybe better then Prague:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallinn

2 OTB:

Dude, you were writing good stuff before. Of course, it is your life and do whatever you want with it, but why are you easily giving up? Buy a ticket to South Korea and look for a job as a teacher. What do you have to lose? Your career? Do you have one? You know, this is American mentality that "I have to build my career", then you look back - you are 45 years old and you have nothing to remember besides sitting at bars alone all those years. Yes, now you have a huge house and 2 Escalades in your garage, big f***ing deal! But you will know that there is someone working a teacher job in Korea making 100 times less money, but getting laid all the time with gorgeous girls! Which lifestyle is better?

No offense, but many things are a challenge in this life. Learn how to overcome challenges, you are old enough for that. There are always options. What about Peace Corps? They almost took me, I am glad they declined, but I was almost in, passed through the process and interviews.
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Postby djfourmoney » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:42 pm

My experiences have not made me bitter. I am not bitter, I am upset that my choices are limited by things I consider stupid. You may get to date a few more women because you have your own place. I don't think that will improve the quality of woman you'll end up dating. These are women that believe they are good, decent modern women, but in reality they are gold diggers.

1) Has his own place (check) at the tune of $600-$1500 for what? So your mom won't walk-in why you're pile driving some girl's p***y?

I have considered moving back out (I've been out before) but it just doesn't make any sense and traps me in obligation.

2) Has his own car (check) in places where having a car is important and public transportation isn't good makes sense. *pass

3) Has a good job ie: can he afford to take me to the places I wanna go and that will impress me?

So you'll find women to date, if your aggressive. Will many of these women will worthwhile companions?

$64,000 Question... With no simple answer.
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Postby djfourmoney » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:54 pm

have2fly wrote:Good luck! I just canceled my Match.com subscription after spending 5 month there and only 2 girls wrote me! I wrote to hundreds, and I only had ONE date and that date was with Russian speaking girl who had lived in the U.S. for a long time. I did not like her personality, she was so mentally enclosed and shy/closed-off, it seemed like she has a mental disease, maybe she did actually. So I told her good bye.

I went to the club this weekend, same exact non-sense, it seems to get worse! I walked into a club, there is a dancefloor with some girls dancing and like 20-30 guys just standing watching the dancefloor with a drink in their hand! Looks so f***ing disgusting! I know how those guys feel, I used to feel the same and be one of them. The ratio was even worse in both clubs this weekend, like 70% guys and 30% girls. It doesn't get any better, does it? It seems to get worse.

Now I am chatting with a girl from Russia on the Winston's website. She is telling me that girls are so tired of going to clubs because it is like 80% girls in the clubs! Guys don't even care about going out in Russia. In many other countries it is the same situation, especially in poor countries where men left for work to Western Europe, like Estonia or Latvia, Moldova - ANY guys are hard to find over there. I would move to live in Estonia or Latvia any day, girls are beautiful blondes over there and life quality is almost as good as Western Europe! Just google some videos about Tallinn, it looks like Prague or maybe better then Prague:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallinn

2 OTB:

Dude, you were writing good stuff before. Of course, it is your life and do whatever you want with it, but why are you easily giving up? Buy a ticket to South Korea and look for a job as a teacher. What do you have to lose? Your career? Do you have one? You know, this is American mentality that "I have to build my career", then you look back - you are 45 years old and you have nothing to remember besides sitting at bars alone all those years. Yes, now you have a huge house and 2 Escalades in your garage, big f***ing deal! But you will know that there is someone working a teacher job in Korea making 100 times less money, but getting laid all the time with gorgeous girls! Which lifestyle is better?

No offense, but many things are a challenge in this life. Learn how to overcome challenges, you are old enough for that. There are always options. What about Peace Corps? They almost took me, I am glad they declined, but I was almost in, passed through the process and interviews.


I'm on week 4 of a grand experiment and my results match yours mostly. I have written roughly 120 women, all in Europe, Central or South America. The results, communication with two or three, one face to face meeting. The meeting was with a Armenian Girl who is here under Political Asylum from Armenia. Been here two years thus far. I've talked to her once via SMS/Text sense that meeting and no other dialog since. Avoids me on Skype now as well. Its still early as women usually get bombed in their inbox and most aren't heavy users of the internet like some of us tend to be.

We'll see over the next few days.

I paid $40 recently to go to a Sex Club just to get laid and see if I can find somebody that is willing to have a regular thing. No Dice, about 80% Men....

The situation in America is just terrible and I don't see how some men believe they can just make minor adjustment in what they are doing and it will result in more dates.
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Postby E_Irizarry » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:00 am

@OTB,

Don't be a fuckin' simp, man. Hold your nuts, fella. You look like Jack Napier the Afro-Rican porn star so you should be fuckin' and chuckin' AW like a 34-hour long porn flick on 4x playback speed.

I know funds are holding you back from going to DR again, but got-damn-it, man: don't start simping AW now! Just f**k n' chuck them.

Keep POF.com devoid of your search query. It's a piece of shit. Literally.

Tagged would suit you better though.
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Postby Maker55 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:29 am

Are you still working on your internet business? I hope you haven't given up on it. What about teaching english overseas?

It takes time to get an internet business but all you need is traffic + a product to sell and it doesn't even have to be your own product.

There is NOTHING that would make me pay for a online dating service.

Do you guys listen to Tom Leykis at all?
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Postby Maker55 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:34 am

have2fly wrote:Good luck! I just canceled my Match.com subscription after spending 5 month there and only 2 girls wrote me! I wrote to hundreds, and I only had ONE date and that date was with Russian speaking girl who had lived in the U.S. for a long time. I did not like her personality, she was so mentally enclosed and shy/closed-off, it seemed like she has a mental disease, maybe she did actually. So I told her good bye.

I went to the club this weekend, same exact non-sense, it seems to get worse! I walked into a club, there is a dancefloor with some girls dancing and like 20-30 guys just standing watching the dancefloor with a drink in their hand! Looks so f***ing disgusting! I know how those guys feel, I used to feel the same and be one of them. The ratio was even worse in both clubs this weekend, like 70% guys and 30% girls. It doesn't get any better, does it? It seems to get worse.

Now I am chatting with a girl from Russia on the Winston's website. She is telling me that girls are so tired of going to clubs because it is like 80% girls in the clubs! Guys don't even care about going out in Russia. In many other countries it is the same situation, especially in poor countries where men left for work to Western Europe, like Estonia or Latvia, Moldova - ANY guys are hard to find over there. I would move to live in Estonia or Latvia any day, girls are beautiful blondes over there and life quality is almost as good as Western Europe! Just google some videos about Tallinn, it looks like Prague or maybe better then Prague:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallinn

2 OTB:

Dude, you were writing good stuff before. Of course, it is your life and do whatever you want with it, but why are you easily giving up? Buy a ticket to South Korea and look for a job as a teacher. What do you have to lose? Your career? Do you have one? You know, this is American mentality that "I have to build my career", then you look back - you are 45 years old and you have nothing to remember besides sitting at bars alone all those years. Yes, now you have a huge house and 2 Escalades in your garage, big f***ing deal! But you will know that there is someone working a teacher job in Korea making 100 times less money, but getting laid all the time with gorgeous girls! Which lifestyle is better?

No offense, but many things are a challenge in this life. Learn how to overcome challenges, you are old enough for that. There are always options. What about Peace Corps? They almost took me, I am glad they declined, but I was almost in, passed through the process and interviews.


You can save $500-$1000 per month teachinig Korea as well as Japan. All you need is a Bachelor's Degree to teach in Japan. You can get a TESOL certificate here: http://ontesol.com

There is NO excuse. In many parts of the world, you don't even need a degree to teach English but a TESOL certificate would help.

Stop messing around with these American women.
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Re: American women...I'll give you a chance

Postby Maker55 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:35 am

OTB wrote:What's happening fellas? It's been a while since I've posted. I've been busy with personal projects. But I'm back with something that might blow some of you away.

Looking at the circumstances I'm in right now does not allow me to move to another country. I signed my lease renewal for my apartment so that means I'll be here in NJ another year. So what am I getting at? Well, it's been way too long that I've been out of the dating game. It's time to get a woman. I can't take this anymore. Holding on to this desire to be with a woman from another country or possibly fleeing to another country to find love is draining and life is just passing me by. Yes, finding a good-hearted, traditional American woman is rare but they're out there. I actually have a beautiful black girl at my job who has been clearly giving me signs of interest in the last month. We greet each other and I keep things casual and natural but we both know there is a mutual attraction. Also everything I've talked about in previous posts about AW women show no signs of interest and all they need to do is give subtle hints of interest, well, this girl does. It's sexy, feminine, but at the same time she is very humble. She smiles and seems very genuine. It's intuition that makes me feel like I should give this a shot.

So what is my point in saying all this? I need experience dating AW. I had one experience dating an American chick and that was back in 2006. I have to put myself out there and just go for it and see what happens. I'm not going into this with the mindset that the first girl I start talking to may be my wife. No. I'm going into this so I can get some experience and get to know someone and take it from there. In this case I'm going to take my chances with the black chick. From her looks and mannerism she doesn't seem like your average, ghetto black girl. So let's see what happens.

Now as I said before in previous posts, in my travels I've met some really friendly women and I find foreign women easier to talk to and I feel I click better with women from other cultures. However, I'm not in a position to meet women from abroad but I can meet them here. Do I want life to pass me by hoping to expatriate to find love? Life is too short fellas. We're not promised tomorrow, next month or next year. If a woman comes your way and you get a good vibe from her see what she's about. Another thing to keep in mind is don't take them seriously. NorthAmericanGuy noted this as well. I'm just going for the ride and seeing where I end up. But the bottom line is I need experience. If things don't go well with the black chick I move on. Then I can say I gave it a chance and that's an experience.

This is not coming from being influenced to date AW. It's just that life is too short. I love woman and it's time to get one. I need to spend some time interacting and dating a American woman whether she is Hispanic, Asian, white, or black. This will be an experience. I'm not saying I'll date any AW. I'm saying I'm being selective. I listen to my intuition. I'm observant of how she talks and carries herself. Then down the line if things fail I move on. I may have to move on several times BUT when those who say there are plenty of good women out there I can say I gave those so called good AW a chance and I know from EXPERIENCE they're not worth my time anymore. At that point I can look abroad. But let's see what happens here fellas.

I'm sure many of you have had plenty of experiences with AW which have turned you bitter. You know from experience that it's best you look somewhere else. Now I have to take the plunge and see what happens.


Never EVER get so desperate that you will date a woman from work. Do you guys ever listen to Tom Leykis?
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Re: American women...I'll give you a chance

Postby NorthAmericanguy » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:45 am

OTB wrote:What's happening fellas? It's been a while since I've posted. I've been busy with personal projects. But I'm back with something that might blow some of you away.

Looking at the circumstances I'm in right now does not allow me to move to another country. I signed my lease renewal for my apartment so that means I'll be here in NJ another year. So what am I getting at? Well, it's been way too long that I've been out of the dating game. It's time to get a woman. I can't take this anymore. Holding on to this desire to be with a woman from another country or possibly fleeing to another country to find love is draining and life is just passing me by. Yes, finding a good-hearted, traditional American woman is rare but they're out there. I actually have a beautiful black girl at my job who has been clearly giving me signs of interest in the last month. We greet each other and I keep things casual and natural but we both know there is a mutual attraction. Also everything I've talked about in previous posts about AW women show no signs of interest and all they need to do is give subtle hints of interest, well, this girl does. It's sexy, feminine, but at the same time she is very humble. She smiles and seems very genuine. It's intuition that makes me feel like I should give this a shot.

So what is my point in saying all this? I need experience dating AW. I had one experience dating an American chick and that was back in 2006. I have to put myself out there and just go for it and see what happens. I'm not going into this with the mindset that the first girl I start talking to may be my wife. No. I'm going into this so I can get some experience and get to know someone and take it from there. In this case I'm going to take my chances with the black chick. From her looks and mannerism she doesn't seem like your average, ghetto black girl. So let's see what happens.

Now as I said before in previous posts, in my travels I've met some really friendly women and I find foreign women easier to talk to and I feel I click better with women from other cultures. However, I'm not in a position to meet women from abroad but I can meet them here. Do I want life to pass me by hoping to expatriate to find love? Life is too short fellas. We're not promised tomorrow, next month or next year. If a woman comes your way and you get a good vibe from her see what she's about. Another thing to keep in mind is don't take them seriously. NorthAmericanGuy noted this as well. I'm just going for the ride and seeing where I end up. But the bottom line is I need experience. If things don't go well with the black chick I move on. Then I can say I gave it a chance and that's an experience.

This is not coming from being influenced to date AW. It's just that life is too short. I love woman and it's time to get one. I need to spend some time interacting and dating a American woman whether she is Hispanic, Asian, white, or black. This will be an experience. I'm not saying I'll date any AW. I'm saying I'm being selective. I listen to my intuition. I'm observant of how she talks and carries herself. Then down the line if things fail I move on. I may have to move on several times BUT when those who say there are plenty of good women out there I can say I gave those so called good AW a chance and I know from EXPERIENCE they're not worth my time anymore. At that point I can look abroad. But let's see what happens here fellas.

I'm sure many of you have had plenty of experiences with AW which have turned you bitter. You know from experience that it's best you look somewhere else. Now I have to take the plunge and see what happens.



I hear you OTB, and I also feel that I'm loosing out as the days go by because I'm not interacting with women as much as I would like; but I look at the situation differently, where as, if I get caught up with an American woman, she just might do something later on down the line that would prevent me from even having the chance of traveling or even retiring overseas when the time comes up.


For example, I'm worried about an American woman pressing false charges against me, and I'm also worried about getting an American woman pregnant because she could then get me for child support.

And I'm sure you know child support is a serious matter because if you can't pay, and your case becomes delinquent, they can suspend your drivers license, garnish your wages, throw you in jail, and also deny you a passport.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/fa ... y_863.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20265037/ns ... ydESoF-eOA


So in other words, I feel as though American women are just to dangerous to even play around with because they have the power to ruin your life due to the unfair legal system.

But it's your choice OTB.



OTB wrote:I actually have a beautiful black girl at my job who has been clearly giving me signs of interest in the last month.


Hate to break the news, but it's very bad idea to date a woman who works at your job.
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:59 am

Maker55 wrote:
Do you guys listen to Tom Leykis at all?


I don't know about OTB, but I do know that for many guys (they even call in the show), TL is too hardcore for them.

I think for many guys who have never had any bad experiences with women, or they have never studied a woman's nature, they just can't see the logic in being so hard on women until they find out for themselves.
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:08 am

djfourmoney wrote:
I paid $40 recently to go to a Sex Club just to get laid and see if I can find somebody that is willing to have a regular thing. No Dice, about 80% Men....

The situation in America is just terrible and I don't see how some men believe they can just make minor adjustment in what they are doing and it will result in more dates.


Yea, I looked into getting into the swingers community for a bit, and not only are single guys treated like s*** and have to pay more money then everybody else, there are so many single guys that show up just to screw an old hag it's not even worth it.
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Postby djfourmoney » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:16 am

Tom is okay, the callers are worst IMHO. They are very much the I'm self-made almost Libertarian bent to the conversations they have on the show.

NAGuy you're right its called Normalcy Bias or Pretty Blond White Girl World. They can't see life any differently because its always been "easy" for them. So when you aren't in support of the status que, they think WTF?
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:26 am

OTB, check out this story:


"I have a child which resulted from my first act of sexual activity when I first moved to Alabama. To make a long story very short, a few years passed before it came to my attention that I have a daughter. For this reason, I owe approximately $6500.00 in back support. I've recently married an Australian citizen, and we've talked about what I owe. We want to move to Australia where we can both get decent jobs in order to pay our debts, including my back support. Getting a U.S. Passport has been my demise. I was in good standing with my daughter's mother due to the nature of our past. This changed when I supposedly harrassed the social worker by calling the Birmingham Alabama office because I left several messages at the Madison County office weekly and never got a return call. Patricia Brooks at the Birmingham office proceeded to call the local Madison County office in order to inform them to return my call. Boy was that a bad idea. In the beginning, my daughter's mother was willing to rid of the arrears in order to get my passport back. After speaking with the case worker, we are no longer on speaking terms, which has never been the case. She will no longer let me speak to my daughter either......."

hXXp://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76007
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