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We all know that if you donÂ´t literally look like a male underwear model or have millions in the bank you are completely invisible to women in the Western world.
Can an average looking white guy from the states in his 20s really get laid like a rockstar in Ukraine/Russia or SEA?
IÂ´m not looking for a wife/girlfriend. IÂ´m young and just want to f**k. In the US the only women you can get as an average looking guy are obese women or ugs. Even those women are hard to get since they have tons of options. Hookers are way too expensive and there is the risk of getting caught and f***ing up your life. This only leaves relocating overseas.
I'm a little surprised at your question cause in another thread you asserted that only looks matter and a good looking guy can get laid and a fat and ugly guy can't no matter where he goes.
But I will answer your question seriously. The answer of course is that you can get laid both at home and abroad. The difference is the type of woman and her attitude toward you.
If you read this and other forums you'll see that the answer is complex, based on what you're looking for. Some guys do p4p, some guys are looing for fun, some for genuine connection or even marriage. Some want to vacation abroad and have fun. Some are looking to relocate and retire abroad and wonder what their social chances are.
So you'll have to define what your goals are. I'm assuming since you're in your 20s that you're looking for no strings attached fun.
As to getting laid like a rockstar, I haven't been a rockstar in a while so I can't compare.
But if you are looking for connection or gfs abroad, it's not hard. But you had better come off as a guy who wants to "get serious", even if you aren't.
I didnÂ´t say a fat and ugly guy canÂ´t get laid. However itÂ´s gonna be f***ing hard for him to get laid in the US and it sure as hell wonÂ´t be with a hot girl or average looking girl. In the US an ugly and fat girl will have no problems getting an average looking guy so why would she f**k a guy thatÂ´s as ugly as her? His only hope is finding a girl thatÂ´s even uglier than him and fatter.
An ugly and fat guy will still get girls abroad, but only because of money. Most of the girls will likely be average looking or ugly aswell, but atleast he can get laid easily. IÂ´d imagine hot girls, even abroad, will have good looking guys with money chasing them so they can be picky. ThatÂ´s just the way it is.
As for what IÂ´m looking for?
No strings attached sex and girlfriends. IÂ´d never lie to women so preferably a country where women donÂ´t see sex as such a big deal.
IÂ´m thinking of either relocating to Kiev or Pattaya or both. My job would allow me to work in Kiev during the summer and in Thailand during the winter.
Hold your horses there
If you're in the USA, you'll need to have money for the Nevada Cathouses. They're not cheap but you won't have problems with the men in blue
On the other hand, how close are you to Canada? Montreal is good spot for the "1st world" North American destinations. No legal issues there either.
Then, after that, there's Costa Rica, Panama, Dominican Republic, etc. Those are much more cost effective but they clearly require some flying time, planning, etc.
If your objective is to get laid, Canada is a good option. Hookers are readily available there, and they advertise fairly openly in the classified sections of the newspapers. $150 - 200/hr is common.
The cops generally don't bother hookers, er, escorts who work out of their own homes, nor do they bother the johns who use such escorts - so long as the hookers are discreet and don't have
troops of guys coming to their places at all times of day and night. Many will come to your hotel. That said, avoid at all costs trolling for hookers on the street, because you *WILL* get charged
with 'communicating for the purposes of prostitution', which, although a minor criminal charge, still gets you a record that will bar you from entering Canada again.
The benefit is that US dollars are widely accepted, English is spoken pretty well everywhere, and unless you live a long way from the border, it's a short trip you can do in a
day at minimal cost.
It's not that simple.
I know of a heterosexual millionaire who looks like Tom Selleck, and lives in a 5000sf home, but yet, he lives alone, and has been alone for the past 20 years. The same could be said for other professionals, or good looking, but shy men.
The point is, in America, I have found that being rich, or even good looking is not the key to getting women (though it helps).
To get women in America you have to be proactive, VERY AGGRESSIVE, flamboyant, and approach every girl you see (without fear of consequences).
In other words, you have to make yourself known to American women, even if you're rich or good looking, because, unless you're a celebrity, or an athlete (which is a job where you inadvertently make yourself known to strangers), you simply don't exist to American women. It's more so American culture that arrest the natural development and comradery between genders, and erroneously programs women to be passive and wait for their 'knight in shining armor' to approach them.
Now aside from being ignored by American women because I chose not to behave like a peacock; I don't have problem with having to hunt down women. And if you think about it, it sure beats arranged marriages, because, as a man, you can seek out an unlimited number of female partners; but the problem is, once you cross out the fat chicks, the old hags, the feminist, the dikes, the women who are too young, and the rude pretentious bitches who think they're better then you because they have a degree, you're not left with much else.
In other words, dating in America is like fishing in a small pond that is full of diseased and sticky fish. It's just not worth it to fish in such a place, so it's better to look someplace else to cast your line.
It's not hard to get laid in the western world. You can use an escort. Dealing with escorts, while using common sense is not dangerous at all. It's not like the police are humping the streets, trolling for johns anywhere. Escorts can be very clean(some are new to the business and even virgins in some cases) and others will let you do it how you want. Gotta look around on the web, but DON'T bother with streetwalkers! I haven't, and I wouldn't suggest anyone else should either.
When dealing with escorts specifically, you have to treat them like a friend(a VERY nice friend lol). Be polite, know the lingo, and don't talk dirty, you may find a good source of p4p.
You can also find women who'll do you for free on classified sites such as craigslist. That's where I got the majority of free poon(yes I lost my virginity on craigslist, shut up). However, this culture is changing rather quickly.
It's true that in the US, you need to be really aggressive to get women. Women in America have their pick of the litter when it comes to dating men, so they are going to be really picky about what guy they choose to get involved with.
Your right that women in America are very passive when it comes to meeting men. A recent survey showed that out of 200 countries, American women were the second least flirtacious women! American women rank 199 out of 200 in flirting with men! WTF?
Women in America don't even make eye contact with men, let alone flirt with men. They truely are some the most unfriendly, paranoid and anti-social women on the face of the earth! Just how in God's name are men supposed to meet women in America? The answer is through mutual friends. Outside of that, bars and clubs or internet dating. Outside of those things you are pretty much shit-out-of-luck when it comes to meeting women in America.
"When I think about the idea of getting involved with an American woman, I don't know if I should laugh .............. or vomit!"
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
Indeed. In order to get women in the Anglosphere, you have to clearly stand out head and shoulders above the rest. If Anglo-women's preferences were for traits such as dignity and honor, men would act accordingly and the Anglosphere would probably be a great and functional place to live. But unfortunately what really impresses Anglo-women is disingenuous, junk-media-induced behavior, and as a result the Anglosphere continues to be an asshole-infested dump.
It's really not so hard to get laid here if you behave accordingly to what is demanded from these skanks, but that involves conforming to unhealthy, brain-limiting behavior, which is why I strongly advocate males in the Anglosphere to use prostitutes in order to get their needs met. As for guys in America who apparently don't have that option, it's a tricky scenario to have to deal with and if you can't go abroad for whatever reason I really don't see many solutions other than to become a monk or something lol.
I'm not opposed to escorts, but isn't $150-$200 per hour a bit steep? That's not even a one-night stand - that's sixty stinkin' minutes!
And I agree that American women's expectations are insane. This is why I still advise that men who are only looking for sex still travel abroad and get it from a foreign girl(s). Along with what NorthAmericanGuy said, once you cross out the fat bitches who think you owe them something, the post-menopausal whores, the misandrists, the dikes, the hotties who (unfortunately) are minors, the uglies, the black women, and yes the college degree divas, you're virtually left with men (or females who've spent their entire life trying to be men). You'll discover that America is hell for straight men, because despite all of the degenerate categories I listed above for women, those same women can (and will) easily find gay men (manginas, crossdressers, etc.) or other women to be their steady partners and companions.
If you are a straight man stuck in America...
1.) Learn a foreign language(s)
2.) Listen to Tom Leykis 101 daily
3.) Plan your escape
In any order you choose.
"Manginas grovel. Men travel." - me (04/17/2012)
"I used to be one of those men who believed that men are better than women at everything. Then I stood corrected!
Women are better than men at... getting fat." - me (02/24/2013)
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