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Postby Ghost » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:14 pm

American men are born into a box. This box encompasses everything they know. It dictates how they live, how they behave, what they think, and...what they shackle themselves into...

With the internet and globalization, it is easy to see outside of the box, moderately challenging to gain the resources and abilities to get out of the box, but extremely difficult to find the courage to jump out of it. (I myself will attest to this. I haven't done anything about it yet.)

But for those who do, shame is the consequence. And that is one thing, but perhaps the greatest problem is the inner mangina: the emasculated man who bows to shaming, who will shackle himself into slavery just to gain (false) acceptance in his own society. He is inundated with the idea that something is wrong with him - that if he can't get women in his own society, nothing else matters. Going for foreign women is being a "loser" instead of what it really is: getting off a sinking ship and heading for dry land.

The Box is powerful.
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Postby Guyver » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:48 am

DarkMinxMish wrote:Hey Guys,

What about all those guys out there who are actually not just happy to be married, but who are actually happy?
Couples who have been together for the long haul and are still making it.
Even the newly married ones...I mean it depends on the people in these marriages and how much growth they have separately and together.
I mean America may not have it's shit together as a whole and we're still going through tough times, but American women aren't non-marriage material. I mean that fact that people here still marry should attest to that.
Now whatever happens down the line is a different story, but the fact that you can still find someone to love should lighten the hatred of U.S women a bit.


All I can say is: good for them? Just as SParc says, those people represent maybe <15% of the 50% of married couples that do stay together. Actually, I read that divorce is more like 60%, so that number is more like 40%, but who's counting? Why are you telling this to us men that which we already know? Why should we care considering we probably won't end up in that little number? We would have a better chance of getting struck by lightning. There are various reasons why people are still getting married, but I think it boils down to ignorance of options and societal pressure and norms. MOST American women are non-marriage material considering all of the facts that are presented on this website, such as the 80 something percent of all divorces being filed by the woman. That alone should tell you something. Facts are annoying little things aren't they? Yet they are consistent, and they can't be changed.

DarkMinxMish wrote:All this hatred for American women really isn't helping to change anything and if the women are such a problem; then they perfectly represent the society they are raised in. As are all of you. Society gets out what it puts into it's people. American women marrying foreigners isn't exactly rare either and some aren't happy with the situation here. So where does that leave them?


Uh, dear, what you call hatred I call awareness and knowledge of the Western Woman's bullshit. It is a kind of protection for us, so judge us all you want. It really doesn't matter. So "change" is what you are talking about? Let me ask you this: would you futily try to patch the holes of the titanic? American society is a sinking ship, and I say abandon ship before it's too late.

Could you provide some sources that back up your claim that it isn't a rarity for American women to marry foreign men? If that were true, then there would be a huge market for it. Big enough to make money off of through dating/marriage agencies. There are thousands of websites and agencies that are designed and catered to Western men to meet and marry foreign women because there is a huge market for it. Where is this market you speak of for the opposite? I have never heard of it.

DarkMinxMish wrote:I know you guys see feminism as the root of all your woes and you have the complete right to that view.
But I think while feminism is a pretty big factor there's a bigger picture.
I know this is probably going to be flamed to hell, but that is my opinion. :wink:


Actually, that part I will agree with you on. Feminism is more like the stem of the problem. The root cause to our problems comes from the people that created and started the whole thing. This video clip will shed some light on the root causes of societal social problems:

http://youtu.be/NN05DHO9bJw

Agree or not, it doesn't matter. Feminism came from somewhere, and the intentions behind it were evil. You can actually watch that whole interview on youtube which is 1.5 hours long. I highly recommend it.
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Postby DarkMinxMish » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:08 pm

Guyver wrote:
DarkMinxMish wrote:Hey Guys,

What about all those guys out there who are actually not just happy to be married, but who are actually happy?
Couples who have been together for the long haul and are still making it.
Even the newly married ones...I mean it depends on the people in these marriages and how much growth they have separately and together.
I mean America may not have it's shit together as a whole and we're still going through tough times, but American women aren't non-marriage material. I mean that fact that people here still marry should attest to that.
Now whatever happens down the line is a different story, but the fact that you can still find someone to love should lighten the hatred of U.S women a bit.


All I can say is: good for them? Just as SParc says, those people represent maybe <15% of the 50% of married couples that do stay together. Actually, I read that divorce is more like 60%, so that number is more like 40%, but who's counting? Why are you telling this to us men that which we already know? Why should we care considering we probably won't end up in that little number? We would have a better chance of getting struck by lightning. There are various reasons why people are still getting married, but I think it boils down to ignorance of options and societal pressure and norms. MOST American women are non-marriage material considering all of the facts that are presented on this website, such as the 80 something percent of all divorces being filed by the woman. That alone should tell you something. Facts are annoying little things aren't they? Yet they are consistent, and they can't be changed.

[color=darkblue]If you believe that MOST American women are non-marriage material and since most of this seems to be shoved on women, than what about the men? I'm trying to find equal ground here, but the fact that you guys can throw away a huge percentage of American women compared to the one's you know and all that are actually out there is ridiculous. What makes you believe that most U.S women aren't good material?
No I should ask in your own personal views what makes a women marriageable? How are women who grow up here any different from you guys who have been hurt, damaged, or burnt by women who have changed or skewed your views completely? We Americans/westerners live in the same or similar societies and we grow up with the same values implemented within us. Our families give us structure, morals, ideals, and guidelines
or the lack of them. Then we pick them up from society. I understand that some of you want to find someone for you and your right they may not be here in this country, but others of you want to just have fun. Regardless there's nothing that really separates you from us except for the fact that you men want to go overseas, because you feel you'll have better experiences over there. Or better yet society here isn't really for your liking or you've become "turned off" by women here, because as you state feminism and the lack of either morality or whatever in women.

I don't think most men get married, because they're ignorant or because of societal pressures. They marry because they want to or they've played the field and finally found a girl they can shack with. I talked to some men about this site lately and they didn't think you guys were all that strong really.
I explained the main reasons and they didn't have the reactions I thought they would have. They didn't even give you a benefit of a doubt; just shook their heads and said you guys had a lot of growing up to do. Or that you guys let a few bad seeds distort your views. I thought interesting...When an older gentlemen explained his marriage and how long they've been together it was sweet. He said there were times when she f***ed up and he did as well, but it takes a bigger person to accept some things and keep moving on. He said marriages aren't perfect and it takes work, but there is nothing wrong with American women. There are moments that make it worth it and he wouldn't ever want to leave her. The younger man who was black had a girlfriend he was waiting for and he was more of the quiet laid back type. His girlfriend seemed really sharp and feisty, but they blended together well.
He resonated a quiet type of love and care w/ her and she with him before they walked out together.
So I know American marriages aren't going anywhere and most american men aren't stupid. Everyone has miserable marriages or relationships at one point or another that's life. A few who are extremely lucky can meet that someone who they'll always be with, but that doesn't mean there aren't any arguments down the road. Marry whoever you want to, but don't mock others for their choices.
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DarkMinxMish wrote:All this hatred for American women really isn't helping to change anything and if the women are such a problem; then they perfectly represent the society they are raised in. As are all of you. Society gets out what it puts into it's people. American women marrying foreigners isn't exactly rare either and some aren't happy with the situation here. So where does that leave them?


Uh, dear, what you call hatred I call awareness and knowledge of the Western Woman's bullshit. It is a kind of protection for us, so judge us all you want. It really doesn't matter. So "change" is what you are talking about? Let me ask you this: would you futily try to patch the holes of the titanic? American society is a sinking ship, and I say abandon ship before it's too late.

[color=darkblue]What about the awareness of the bullshit of western men. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? It shouldn't be used as protection. Why? What's to be protected from? Shouldn't your knowledge of other places and cultures other than for women be used as empowerment?
I mean some of you guys don't want to be married no matter what. You want to keep the woman in some small area where you can interact and oversee her, but not be with her. Depending on the country foreign women are a lot closer to their families and parents usually. Are you ready to deal with that? Can you stand the expectations that come from being a provider and/or having to deal with the family unit?
Isn't that just fear of having an relationship where you'll have to answer to someone and someone has to answer to you. Like I said there are many types of relationships and if you see "holes" than it's not just the seemingly bad blood between the sexes; it's the society like you've said. If you feel society is sinking or for example the U.S.A is at a very substantial turning point where people are getting fed up and irate. Will you just sit there or are you going to help do something? So you want to go elsewhere that's fine. Follow where ever the wind takes you, but don't blame it solely on women who are just products of a society. Yes there are women who are pushy, misogynistic, sloppy, upsetting, and etc...This problem isn't unique to just the women, men exhibit distasteful behavior as well.

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Could you provide some sources that back up your claim that it isn't a rarity for American women to marry foreign men? If that were true, then there would be a huge market for it. Big enough to make money off of through dating/marriage agencies. There are thousands of websites and agencies that are designed and catered to Western men to meet and marry foreign women because there is a huge market for it. Where is this market you speak of for the opposite? I have never heard of it.

The difference between western men and women are for one men like variety. Women do to no doubt, but men have always liked women different from there own and have always liked to have selection. That's why there's a huge market for it. It's like supplying a need or a fantasy men always want something they don't have. They know men are more willing to pay for it. Why do you think pornography is still kicking it or why Hugh Hefner was able to establish Playboy and the Playboy Mansion...access to women.
This seems to be deemed a phenomena or a trend on the internet by some people. But in my opinion I think it's a natural case of opposites attract. Some American men are now yearning for a more traditional lifestyle that some western women can't afford to give or don't really want; because we live in a individualistic society. We (the current generations) have been told that a career and education is very important; so we strive for our own livelihoods. There are couples out there who are together and trying to make. And that isn't rare and there are far more people looking for something they haven't found in someone. I believe you attract people with traits that you yourself are missing or are in desperate need of and they are suppose to help you balance out.

2. Economy, interests, social conditions, and money plays into it. Women who are interested in western men are either curious, have certain glamorous views from the media about them, believe them to be balling, and/ or want a better life. Some want to come to western countries for better status and to improve themselves. Sometimes it is for love, but for most of those cases economics play a major factor. Now if you meet a girl naturally fine that's well and good. If you fall in love and/or hit it off w/o trouble that's fine as well. It also seems that "some" foreign women are sick of their men as well for whatever reason. Same problem just the opposite sex.

As for women marrying foreigners it does happen. Women can interact and chat online w/ them, meet a foreigner in the states not from here, or go to a foreign country. It happens and it's not that rare. Despite you guys thinking that American women can't attract other attention we do. I've spoken to foreign men before who were quite nice, respective, interested, and we had pleasant conversations. A friend of mines who is completely American does very well in foreign countries with men. They enjoy her and her craziness. One of my relatives is engaged to someone from Africa and etc...
American women in foreign countries do have to worry about the reasons they marry foreigners as well. They can also be used as easy tickets into the states, for green cards, and etc...They may genuinely want to have a decent relationship with a foreign man, but the media has already assembled an artificial view about us. So some guys may believe American women to be "easy" and promiscuous, flirtatious, prudish, fake, and etc...the stereotypes live on. They don't want to deal with the your easy 'vibe' something that some of us already get from American men. But when a relationship does work it works and it's strong. Similar to opposites attract foreign men tend to have something that some western females feel that their own men lack. Foreign men are thought to be far more romantic, different, and more masculine in a secure way.


DarkMinxMish wrote:I know you guys see feminism as the root of all your woes and you have the complete right to that view.
But I think while feminism is a pretty big factor there's a bigger picture.
I know this is probably going to be flamed to hell, but that is my opinion. :wink:


Actually, that part I will agree with you on. Feminism is more like the stem of the problem. The root cause to our problems comes from the people that created and started the whole thing. This video clip will shed some light on the root causes of societal social problems:

http://youtu.be/NN05DHO9bJw

Agree or not, it doesn't matter. Feminism came from somewhere, and the intentions behind it were evil. You can actually watch that whole interview on youtube which is 1.5 hours long. I highly recommend it.



No your right Feminism did come from somewhere, but it isn't all that different from the other created problems we deal with in society. These problems affect everyone differently, but the basic concept of feminism isn't necessarily evil nor is it anything to fear. It was a form of empowerment for women (mainly white women) and the ideal message was well received by others overtime. We live in a nearly equal society and with that comes the plus and losses for both sexes. That's just something we have to live with.
Plus I'm sure in other equal western societies the men probably complain as well. It's natural and healthy it helps you guys vent (as well as women). It's just that the intense dislike is sort of unnatural...lastly in my opinion I think a lot of guys just don't know what they want.
They complain about an American women, but if she puts out no doubt they'll sleep with her. At the same time though they want a woman who's pure, wholesome, and etc...yet want her to be a beauty. ~sighs~ It's just frustrating....

I'm so done. :lol:
Pricking up her golden head:
We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots?"
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Postby S_Parc » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:06 pm

bryansmit50 wrote:I mean european females aren't any different from european men. We were all brought up in a community with the same or identical guidelines, thoughts, and suggestions.
So that indicates european men display identical attributes that aren't that much different from their alternatives.
There are females out there who perform really difficult on their connections, who focus on their men/husband, who be house more and increase kids, or who performs while the spouse continues to be house, and etc...


Ok, I believe that the above is one of the main diverging nodes, which makes the olde gender equilibrium argument, less valuable.

In America, men and women are not raised the same. And I can vouch for this one.

My sister was touted as the alpha-female and had delusions of grandeur, generated by TV shows like Mary Tyler Moore, pop stars like Debbie Harry, feminists like Gloria Steinem, historical characters like Susan B Anthony, Gertrude Stein, or Marie Curie. On the other shoe, I was pretty much left to take care of myself and buttress my own self-esteem, as a solo operator. And unlike her, I'd never once believed that I was as talented as either Alexander Hamilton or Ben Franklin. I know the difference between a historic genius and your basic hardworking, above average student.

Here's the end result ... my sister nearly failed high school, then she subsequently dropped out of college, and then, flunked her trade program once. Her career ended after only a few years in the workplace. Yes, she was sacked. She ended up getting married to her former college BF, gained 60-100 pounds, and had a child. As a result of her permanent underachievement, she blames everyone but herself for her life's shortcomings and failures. Her husband has been taking flack, ever since she'd left dad's roof.

My story ... graduated with honors, both high school & college. I even had a few scholarships and after having a couple of start/stops in my career, I started traveling the world for business, beginning in my mid-20s. I'd stopped dating American women, somewhere around then.

Granted, not everyone has a similar story as above but I believe that many men here can vouch for the fact that men and women are not raised evenly in this society.
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Postby Guyver » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:21 pm

DarkMinxMish wrote:If you believe that MOST American women are non-marriage material and since most of this seems to be shoved on women, than what about the men? I'm trying to find equal ground here, but the fact that you guys can throw away a huge percentage of American women compared to the one's you know and all that are actually out there is ridiculous. What makes you believe that most U.S women aren't good material?
No I should ask in your own personal views what makes a women marriageable? How are women who grow up here any different from you guys who have been hurt, damaged, or burnt by women who have changed or skewed your views completely? We Americans/westerners live in the same or similar societies and we grow up with the same values implemented within us. Our families give us structure, morals, ideals, and guidelines
or the lack of them. Then we pick them up from society. I understand that some of you want to find someone for you and your right they may not be here in this country, but others of you want to just have fun. Regardless there's nothing that really separates you from us except for the fact that you men want to go overseas, because you feel you'll have better experiences over there. Or better yet society here isn't really for your liking or you've become "turned off" by women here, because as you state feminism and the lack of either morality or whatever in women.


This thread isn't about the men. If you want to go off and talk about men, then either make a new thread or take it to the many man-bashing feminazi websites out there. I respect your trying to find level ground with us, but you won't be achieving much here. Since 80% of the women only go for the top 20% of men, where does that leave the rest of us? We have no options here in the U.S., so we have no choice but to go overseas where the options are. To answer your first question, I believe most AW aren't good for marriage because of narcisism and femanizism everywhere around us that teaches young women bad things about men. Keep in mind, when I say most American women, I am talking about those under the age of 40 or so. Our parents came from a different generation before the age of feminazism so they don't count. In other words, if she is high maintenance, then she is not marriage material. Plain and simple. To answer your second question, and I think most men would agree with me, a woman who I would consider marriage material is LOW maintenance. What does that mean you wonder? Here is a short list to break down what I mean:

1)Feminine - soft spoken and not afraid to be a woman in her own skin
2)Intelligent - must be able to carry a good conversation
3)Acceptable Attractive - that varies for each man's perspective
4)Tolerant - of the flaws that men will bring
5)Strong Family Values - was raised in a stable enough environment and taught the right things by her parents
6)Sense of Humor - everyone needs one
7)Giving - selfishness has no place in a marriage

I will finish responding to your posts later on, DarkMinx, but for now I have to go to work. To be continued...
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Postby sushiman » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:29 pm

It's a great question. These guys in the US marrying these American chicks...have they lost their minds? Why would anyone do that to themselves? And yet they keep doing it.

My friends from college are all married now. These are all great guys but yeah most saw no other option than marrying the first skank that would accept them.

Let's see one married a total psycho, cheating, nasty divorce. One had three kids, she put on a billion pounds, went crazy, just got divorced. One married far beneath him, on vacation, met some party chick, she found out he was loaded, got married, certain she cheats regularly, no kids at least. One married a foreign girl but as soon as she got to the US no sex no respect. One still can't find a woman, not even a skank. Two made reasonable choices are seem to be doing so so.

Me, I just looked at this happening around me and couldn't believe it. There are so many better options than living that crappy, or at best so so life.
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