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Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20%?

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As stated in thread title

Poll ended at Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:59 am

Go Abroad
26
84%
Become One of the 20%
5
16%
 
Total votes : 31

Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20%?

Postby MaximusGlory » Thu May 24, 2012 6:59 am

Hola hombres (pardon the spanglish). I'm a newly joined member but I have been following this forum a few months now. Just a bit about myself. I'm a young black South African studying engineering at a Canadian university (on my own accord, no affirmative action lol, but paid for by my father). After having spent a few years here, I have garnered the same view that many of you here have about Western women. Googling this stuff is what actually lead me to this forum.

My question is, if you had the opportunity to become part of the 20% of men here (this is alluding to that whole "80% of women are after 20% of the men" theory, dynamic, whatever it is) as well as being able to go abroad, which would you choose? And this is assuming you would be successful with either choice or approach.

For me personally, I would much rather be part of the 20% here and it's what I am aiming to do. This my wasn't original intention actually. After getting sick of western girls, I told myself last year that I'd go herbivore till I graduated and went home (or where ever I can find a good job). At the same time, I must also admit that I was also at fault. Around the time when first I arrived here, I got swept up by that whole PUA game garbage (Kezia Noble and the likes, even bought her damn book, smh). See the thing is, when I was in my first year, I was actually kinda successful with girls here (plus they were as horny as first year girls can be). When my success started to wane, attributed it to my game having gone sour some how. I tried everything the PUAs suggest to improve. That whole "confidence" and "alpha" tune they keep singing, getting expensive clothes, making loads of approaches. That all just got me a bucket load of rejection haha.

What I didn't realise was that the main reason I wasn't as good was simply because I stopped working out and became pudgy. How do I know this. Well about the same time I decided to go herbivore, September last year, I also somehow won a membership to nearby gym. I went on with it, just to have a hobby, wasn't thinking about women at the time. After 8 months of dedicated and consistent weight training, I am now developing a physique better than I've ever had before. My goal is to have a physique like Steeve Reeves or Chris Evans. It's astonishing how I get treated by women now. They treat better than ever before. I instantly get respect. I can just be myself, without being a PUA or bad boy/"alpha", and they are more welcoming, more approachable and easier to talk to. I even get approached now. To be honest, I have capitalised as much on it now because I want to focus primarily on my summer classes (just completed a 1 year internship) and I'm still kinda get used to this attention.

So since I've "gone up the ranks" so to speak, I think I'm going to enjoy myself, with women, when I finally have the time to (and I honestly feel like there's no need to rush into it as I'm not as thirsty as I used to be lol). But this is what I want to propose to you guys here. Instead of spending a lot of money (student's perspective) on trips to Asia or where ever, why not invest in a gym membership and work on attaining a more muscular, more attractive physique? (like Chris Evans, not Arnold and the other juice monkeys). It will get you respect and attention from the women here, and it feels great (looking that way, I mean).

I follow some of the MRAs on YouTube, particularly barbarossaaaa. I have to agree with him when he says that women everywhere - no matter if they are of a different culture, are traditional or feminised/westernised - operate and think the same. It's always firstly about their self-interest, their safety and security, and what resources, assets or wealth they can attain for themselves. All women are selfish. Sorry but I don't believe that if you're unattractive to women here, you're somehow going to be attractive to women on the other side of the world just because there isn't a system that allows them to be as arrogant, self-serving and self-entitled. I'm sorry but, to me, if a woman from a 3rd world or former Soviet country suddenly has interest in you, where as American and or Canadian women didn't, it's mostly because you offer something (perhaps monetary, socioeconomic) that can feed her interests.

I have nothing against going abroad or foreign women. I have been to places like Europe and experienced the culture and have seen how foreign women conduct themselves. If the going abroad thing is working for you, that is great, carry on and I wish you continued success. (Instead of going to Asia next, try South Africa, the women are great there too :wink:) But in my opinion, it's just not as much of a financially viable option as opposed to staying here and improving your physique, which will improve your prospects. I mean, some men end up supporting the foreign women and their parents/families. I'm sure many of us don't want to end up in that kind of situation.
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Postby ExpeditionSailor » Thu May 24, 2012 11:43 am

True, even foreign women have their own interests to take into account when choosing a man. We all have a sense of self-interest. The difference is that in many cases, foreign women are a lot less malignant in how they pursue their self-interest.

Foreign women also recognize that the man has to get some benefit out of the deal, while Western women act as if the whole exchange can be one-sided, exclusively in her favour, and men should just accept that. Foreign women will put considerable effort into looking after their men. Western women will not, unless the man is super-alpha and they would have something to lose (i.e. $$$$) by not looking after him.

As far as PUA techniques go, I dislike them. They're simply a sophisticated way of begging for sex that puts women squarely in the driver's seat.
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Postby ethan_sg » Thu May 24, 2012 1:39 pm

Look I think this question is actually unfair to many forumers here, suggesting that they're only going abroad because they don't qualify as the top 20%, as if that therefore going abroad is the sole alternative for those who are inferior.

I think a lot of guys here could probably do pretty okay with getting women in America if they wanted to but it's more a matter of whether it is really worth their while! So many American women are overweight and make such horrible and unreliable partners so really is it even worthwhile no matter how good you may be with them?

Pretty obvious choice to go abroad. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn't even be on this forum
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Re: Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20

Postby Blue Murder » Thu May 24, 2012 2:35 pm

Uhm . . . honest question here: Are you retarded?

First of all, a bad-boy is NOT an Alpha.

Secondly, what kind of rubbish are you spittin' mate? "Instead of going abroad where the women act right, stay here and continue to be rejected." That has to be the dumbest post I've seen thus far. I'm new, but that's still saying heaps when you consider how much lurking I've done here.

I mean, nobody can be THIS insipid. "Get a physique"? Are you f***ing serious? The only sensible thing you said was that all women have a natural tendency to be on some fuck-shit. But telling everyone here to stay in the West where they have no chance of getting any action? Yeah -- you're on your way to Betahood, good sir.

You know what? I'm going to keep this short. There'll be other members who'll tear you a new one. So I'll just grab my popcorn and watch the fireworks.
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Postby MaximusGlory » Thu May 24, 2012 2:54 pm

ethan_sg wrote:Look I think this question is actually unfair to many forumers here, suggesting that they're only going abroad because they don't qualify as the top 20%, as if that therefore going abroad is the sole alternative for those who are inferior.

I think a lot of guys here could probably do pretty okay with getting women in America if they wanted to but it's more a matter of whether it is really worth their while! So many American women are overweight and make such horrible and unreliable partners so really is it even worthwhile no matter how good you may be with them?

Pretty obvious choice to go abroad. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn't even be on this forum


Okay. I understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to suggest that. I just meant that, knowing if you were guaranteed success with either approach, which would you choose. I thought some of your responses would be based on your views of the women here vs those abroad, citing those views as the determining factor, and you have stated that. I meant no disrespect to any forumer.

The world has changed. I'm a young guy and even can point out how Feminism, the sexual liberation, etc., their ideas and the associated consequences (high divorce rates, single parenting, etc.) are spreading across the globe. Even to developing nations, like Indonesia and my home country. We can fight for our economic and political rights, but we can't fight this social change, so why not adapt? I like the idea of going abroad, experiencing a new culture and having casual dates/relationship. However I don't think marrying these women should be encouraged. I mean we've all heard the stories of a Western man marrying one of these women. Bringing her back home with him. Supporting her and, at times, providing for her family. Then a year or two later, she finds a lawyer and takes him out to the cleaners. I can point to the situation that Winston's arch enemy is going through right now with his soon to be Russian ex-wife.

I just think we all need to be fully aware of this. All woman are the same in that they all act out of self-interest. It is true that all human beings out of self-interest but, generally, men are more inclined to sacrifice whereas women are not. I suggested my solution of getting a gym membership and improving your physique because it just seems to me that, women here will then treat you better and give you more respect. Having a better physique will also improve your prospects abroad so either way it doesn't hurt.
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Postby S_Parc » Thu May 24, 2012 3:12 pm

Maximus, I've done the gym rat thing and it's helped me the most, once again, with FWs. Yes, they also like Captain America & doing lat pulldowns (V shape) definitely attracts women. As for AWs, what I've found which has done *the trick* is to project worldly success but then, not care for them at all. In other words, being an aloof, white collar 'sociopath'.

Here's the problem ... in time, one will get annoyed/bored or what have you, with an adult woman who's got a teenager's brain. Yes, what happens is that you grow up, mentally, but American women stay the same. This is why I couldn't get along with 'em, after my mid-to-late 20s.

So once my brain's bio-clock kicked in, I could only date Brazilian and Asian women, the two regions where my company had international projects, afterwards. AWs completely faded to black by then and I never looked back.
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Postby pete98146 » Thu May 24, 2012 3:20 pm

The thing you have going for you up in Vancouver BC is the sheer number of exotic beautiful women there. Every time I go up and walk Robson Street my tounge hits the ground from the lovely women. Yes if you can get in the upper 20% you'd be da man.

I'll still vote overseas tho....
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Postby The_Hero_of_Men » Thu May 24, 2012 3:22 pm

MaximusGlory wrote:
ethan_sg wrote:Look I think this question is actually unfair to many forumers here, suggesting that they're only going abroad because they don't qualify as the top 20%, as if that therefore going abroad is the sole alternative for those who are inferior.

I think a lot of guys here could probably do pretty okay with getting women in America if they wanted to but it's more a matter of whether it is really worth their while! So many American women are overweight and make such horrible and unreliable partners so really is it even worthwhile no matter how good you may be with them?

Pretty obvious choice to go abroad. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn't even be on this forum


Okay. I understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to suggest that. I just meant that, knowing if you were guaranteed success with either approach, which would you choose. I thought some of your responses would be based on your views of the women here vs those abroad, citing those views as the determining factor, and you have stated that. I meant no disrespect to any forumer.

The world has changed. I'm a young guy and even can point out how Feminism, the sexual liberation, etc., their ideas and the associated consequences (high divorce rates, single parenting, etc.) are spreading across the globe. Even to developing nations, like Indonesia and my home country. We can fight for our economic and political rights, but we can't fight this social change, so why not adapt? I like the idea of going abroad, experiencing a new culture and having casual dates/relationship. However I don't think marrying these women should be encouraged. I mean we've all heard the stories of a Western man marrying one of these women. Bringing her back home with him. Supporting her and, at times, providing for her family. Then a year or two later, she finds a lawyer and takes him out to the cleaners. I can point to the situation that Winston's arch enemy is going through right now with his soon to be Russian ex-wife.

I just think we all need to be fully aware of this. All woman are the same in that they all act out of self-interest. It is true that all human beings out of self-interest but, generally, men are more inclined to sacrifice whereas women are not. I suggested my solution of getting a gym membership and improving your physique because it just seems to me that, women here will then treat you better and give you more respect. Having a better physique will also improve your prospects abroad so either way it doesn't hurt.


You just do not get it, do you? We are not interested in American women, and we don't care if they respect us or not! We just choose not to involve ourselves with them because the legal, financial, physical, and emotional risks of even chasing after American women are far too great, and the reawards are paltry, at best. If I were to improve my physique (I do have kind of a pudge on me, but I'm otherwise average), it would be for me, and not to impress some shallow Americunt bitch. You sound like a woman, implying that "we should 'work' on ourselves to find a 'good' woman here". Only feminists and their pussified Mangina lapdogs would say crap like that. From what you're saying, you're willing to put your head in the sand, raise your butt in the air, and spread your churns for these females. You're actually trying to imply that you're willing to become a lapdog for these American women? Sir, one day you're gonna learn the hard way that American women are too much of a risk/liability!
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Re: Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20

Postby MaximusGlory » Thu May 24, 2012 3:25 pm

Blue Murder wrote:Uhm . . . honest question here: Are you retarded?

First of all, a bad-boy is NOT an Alpha.

Secondly, what kind of rubbish are you spittin' mate? "Instead of going abroad where the women act right, stay here and continue to be rejected." That has to be the dumbest post I've seen thus far. I'm new, but that's still saying heaps when you consider how much lurking I've done here.

I mean, nobody can be THIS insipid. "Get a physique"? Are you f***ing serious? The only sensible thing you said was that all women have a natural tendency to be on some fuck-shit. But telling everyone here to stay in the West where they have no chance of getting any action? Yeah -- you're on your way to Betahood, good sir.

You know what? I'm going to keep this short. There'll be other members who'll tear you a new one. So I'll just grab my popcorn and watch the fireworks.


Hahaha. Wow. Here I am thinking that the men on this forum where respectful and amicable. Guess not.

First of all you dumba**. Everywhere I mention "alpha" in my original post, I used QUOTATION MARKS. I guess I should spell it out for you. Because I know they are not alpha. They are the biggest p***y beggars and PUA is nothing but p***y begging. I thought you guys would catch on, especially with the tone I was using, but clearly there are some here that lack basic comprehension skills (and want to call others retarded).

Now, where in my post do I say "stay here and get rejected"? I said getting a better physique will get you more respect from women. That's what I truly believe from own experience and from those of some of the guys I know. Which to me, is much simpler, then being a frustrated beta ****** like yourself, shelling out their hard earned cash and, unsuspectingly, getting a gold-digger/parasitic woman (I actually you hope you get one of these women and get what is coming to you, you insolent little .... ). At least having a better body gives more power and elevates your standing, worldwide. It's not stupid. It actually works.

You're pathetic. Honestly. To attack someone just for giving out a different perspective. I didn't say to stop or not to go abroad. I just think it's a way to help adapt to the situation here. Most women would like a man with a good body. It's not going to suddenly transform you into Don Juan, but it certainly helps and makes dealing with them (the western ones) easier. And what's the harm as opposed to potentially getting a parasite and being screwed a few years later.

What's wrong. Did the big athletic guys bully you in high school?
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Postby MaximusGlory » Thu May 24, 2012 3:34 pm

The_Hero_of_Men wrote:
MaximusGlory wrote:
ethan_sg wrote:Look I think this question is actually unfair to many forumers here, suggesting that they're only going abroad because they don't qualify as the top 20%, as if that therefore going abroad is the sole alternative for those who are inferior.

I think a lot of guys here could probably do pretty okay with getting women in America if they wanted to but it's more a matter of whether it is really worth their while! So many American women are overweight and make such horrible and unreliable partners so really is it even worthwhile no matter how good you may be with them?

Pretty obvious choice to go abroad. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn't even be on this forum


Okay. I understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to suggest that. I just meant that, knowing if you were guaranteed success with either approach, which would you choose. I thought some of your responses would be based on your views of the women here vs those abroad, citing those views as the determining factor, and you have stated that. I meant no disrespect to any forumer.

The world has changed. I'm a young guy and even can point out how Feminism, the sexual liberation, etc., their ideas and the associated consequences (high divorce rates, single parenting, etc.) are spreading across the globe. Even to developing nations, like Indonesia and my home country. We can fight for our economic and political rights, but we can't fight this social change, so why not adapt? I like the idea of going abroad, experiencing a new culture and having casual dates/relationship. However I don't think marrying these women should be encouraged. I mean we've all heard the stories of a Western man marrying one of these women. Bringing her back home with him. Supporting her and, at times, providing for her family. Then a year or two later, she finds a lawyer and takes him out to the cleaners. I can point to the situation that Winston's arch enemy is going through right now with his soon to be Russian ex-wife.

I just think we all need to be fully aware of this. All woman are the same in that they all act out of self-interest. It is true that all human beings out of self-interest but, generally, men are more inclined to sacrifice whereas women are not. I suggested my solution of getting a gym membership and improving your physique because it just seems to me that, women here will then treat you better and give you more respect. Having a better physique will also improve your prospects abroad so either way it doesn't hurt.


You just do not get it, do you? We are not interested in American women, and we don't care if they respect us or not! We just choose not to involve ourselves with them because the legal, financial, physical, and emotional risks of even chasing after American women are far too great, and the reawards are paltry, at best. If I were to improve my physique (I do have kind of a pudge on me, but I'm otherwise average), it would be for me, and not to impress some shallow Americunt bitch. You sound like a woman, implying that "we should 'work' on ourselves to find a 'good' woman here". Only feminists and their pussified Mangina lapdogs would say crap like that. From what you're saying, you're willing to put your head in the sand, raise your butt in the air, and spread your churns for these females. You're actually trying to imply that you're willing to become a lapdog for these American women? Sir, one day you're gonna learn the hard way that American women are too much of a risk/liability!


Okay cool, you're not interested in WW. Also, I didn't started working out for them. It started out as a hobby and I've just noticed the effect. I'm not a pussified mangina or lapdog lol. I clearly stated I follow MRAs, smh. Becoming part of the 20% will give men power won't it? I don't thinks too much harm in trying to attain that, but that's just me. I'm not trying dictate what the rest of you should, do what you want to do. And don't act like foreign women don't pose similar risks as well (to a lesser degree obviously).

It's starting to seem like there's a dogma on this forum and one's not allowed to offer a different perspective.
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Postby The_Hero_of_Men » Thu May 24, 2012 3:48 pm

MaximusGlory wrote:
The_Hero_of_Men wrote:
MaximusGlory wrote:
ethan_sg wrote:Look I think this question is actually unfair to many forumers here, suggesting that they're only going abroad because they don't qualify as the top 20%, as if that therefore going abroad is the sole alternative for those who are inferior.

I think a lot of guys here could probably do pretty okay with getting women in America if they wanted to but it's more a matter of whether it is really worth their while! So many American women are overweight and make such horrible and unreliable partners so really is it even worthwhile no matter how good you may be with them?

Pretty obvious choice to go abroad. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn't even be on this forum


Okay. I understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to suggest that. I just meant that, knowing if you were guaranteed success with either approach, which would you choose. I thought some of your responses would be based on your views of the women here vs those abroad, citing those views as the determining factor, and you have stated that. I meant no disrespect to any forumer.

The world has changed. I'm a young guy and even can point out how Feminism, the sexual liberation, etc., their ideas and the associated consequences (high divorce rates, single parenting, etc.) are spreading across the globe. Even to developing nations, like Indonesia and my home country. We can fight for our economic and political rights, but we can't fight this social change, so why not adapt? I like the idea of going abroad, experiencing a new culture and having casual dates/relationship. However I don't think marrying these women should be encouraged. I mean we've all heard the stories of a Western man marrying one of these women. Bringing her back home with him. Supporting her and, at times, providing for her family. Then a year or two later, she finds a lawyer and takes him out to the cleaners. I can point to the situation that Winston's arch enemy is going through right now with his soon to be Russian ex-wife.

I just think we all need to be fully aware of this. All woman are the same in that they all act out of self-interest. It is true that all human beings out of self-interest but, generally, men are more inclined to sacrifice whereas women are not. I suggested my solution of getting a gym membership and improving your physique because it just seems to me that, women here will then treat you better and give you more respect. Having a better physique will also improve your prospects abroad so either way it doesn't hurt.


You just do not get it, do you? We are not interested in American women, and we don't care if they respect us or not! We just choose not to involve ourselves with them because the legal, financial, physical, and emotional risks of even chasing after American women are far too great, and the reawards are paltry, at best. If I were to improve my physique (I do have kind of a pudge on me, but I'm otherwise average), it would be for me, and not to impress some shallow Americunt bitch. You sound like a woman, implying that "we should 'work' on ourselves to find a 'good' woman here". Only feminists and their pussified Mangina lapdogs would say crap like that. From what you're saying, you're willing to put your head in the sand, raise your butt in the air, and spread your churns for these females. You're actually trying to imply that you're willing to become a lapdog for these American women? Sir, one day you're gonna learn the hard way that American women are too much of a risk/liability!


Okay cool, you're not interested in WW. Also, I didn't started working out for them. It started out as a hobby and I've just noticed the effect. I'm not a pussified mangina or lapdog lol. I clearly stated I follow MRAs, smh. Becoming part of the 20% will give men power won't it? I don't thinks too much harm in trying to attain that, but that's just me. I'm not trying dictate what the rest of you should, do what you want to do. And don't act like foreign women don't pose similar risks as well (to a lesser degree obviously).

It's starting to seem like there's a dogma on this forum and one's not allowed to offer a different perspective.


Not really; there isn't a dogma here-- it's just that we forumers her can read between the lines. If you're trying to get into the top 20% because you want to, then that's great! But either way, you're still playing into their hands.
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Re: Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20

Postby Blue Murder » Thu May 24, 2012 4:04 pm

MaximusGlory wrote:Hahaha. Wow. Here I am thinking that the men on this forum where respectful and amicable. Guess not.

First of all you dumba**. Everywhere I mention "alpha" in my original post, I used QUOTATION MARKS. I guess I should spell it out for you. Because I know they are not alpha. They are the biggest p***y beggars and PUA is nothing but p***y begging. I thought you guys would catch on, especially with the tone I was using, but clearly there are some here that lack basic comprehension skills (and want to call others retarded).

Now, where in my post do I say "stay here and get rejected"? I said getting a better physique will get you more respect from women. That's what I truly believe from own experience and from those of some of the guys I know. Which to me, is much simpler, then being a frustrated beta ****** like yourself, shelling out their hard earned cash and, unsuspectingly, getting a gold-digger/parasitic woman (I actually you hope you get one of these women and get what is coming to you, you insolent little .... ). At least having a better body gives more power and elevates your standing, worldwide. It's not stupid. It actually works.

You're pathetic. Honestly. To attack someone just for giving out a different perspective. I didn't say to stop or not to go abroad. I just think it's a way to help adapt to the situation here. Most women would like a man with a good body. It's not going to suddenly transform you into Don Juan, but it certainly helps and makes dealing with them (the western ones) easier. And what's the harm as opposed to potentially getting a parasite and being screwed a few years later.

What's wrong. Did the big athletic guys bully you in high school?


Dude. You're f***ing STUPID. You are the definition of stupid. If I look 'stupid' up in the dictionary, your picture would show. If I wanted to use a synonym for the word 'stupid', all I'd have to do is write your first name.

First of all, I am no Beta. HERE are some examples of Betas . . .
NorthAmericanGuy, Zboy1, Falcon (for the most part anyway, he's still pretty legit though).

Now for the Alphas!
Peter Nolan, John Rambo, The_Hero_of_Men, AllThatIsMan (when he's not whining about racism and being a complainitive c**t), and of course, Blue Murder.

I'm sure you're asking yourself, "Why didn't he put me in the 'Beta' list?"

Simple, my simple-minded, mangina'd fellow forumer: You're NOT a Beta. Nope. You're an Omega!

And you're right. I WAS bullied. But that ended when I taught myself martial arts and started fighting back. And you know what? I've not dealt with a bully ever since. I fear NO ONE. I'm 5'9" of whoop-ass. I'm 140 pounds of straight martial fury -- I'll make it RAIN UP IN HURR! Oh, and what also makes me better than you, is that I don't bully others -- especially not ones smaller than I am. Hell -- I don't even fight dudes smaller than me, and I'm pretty small myself so . . . yeah. I'm more inclined to fight niggahs three times my size.

I'm not shelling my money out to some foreign bitch either. You're a disgrace to Nelson Mandela, mate. You lot just -- I don't f***ing know.

"We all know what happens with foreign women." ONE example is what you have on-hand. ONE! This site is for men who are constantly experiencing that in the WEST, you f***ing dolt. It happens with women EVERYWHERE, yes. But you know what? It happens MOST OFTEN in the WEST.

You're nothing but a pathetic amalgamation of sperm, genetics and effort. Don't come on this site acting like you have some pull, telling the men here to "go to the gym". These guys have been pulling girls down since you were an itch in your daddy's pants. I'm not going to let you come here and spit your 'New Age of Manginas' bullshit while you represent the younger members of this site. I'm the youngest here (turned 20 this year), and I consider myself an older gent. It's f***s like you that make me wonder why Peter spends his time trying to save the next generation of pussified, feminist men.

So you can think you're all tough and shit. But you won't get ANY play when your muscles disappear over time. Then YOU'LL be the one shelling out your ca$h to some Western bitch who'll end up transferring your monies to her account before she files them papers!

Men of Happier Abroad, don't listen to this ignorant, vapid, insipid f**k. He's just another youngblood that swears he has something important to say. An Omega with some kind of mental issues, who kisses the ground that Western women walk on.

Wait until Johnny gets ahold of you. Haha. Oh boy!
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Postby S_Parc » Thu May 24, 2012 4:11 pm

The_Hero_of_Men wrote:Not really; there isn't a dogma here-- it's just that we forumers her can read between the lines. If you're trying to get into the top 20% because you want to, then that's great! But either way, you're still playing into their hands.


Hero, here's my contrapositive to Maximus's principle ...

Workout (w/ goal of being Captain America/Chris Evans slowly in time), study languages, be cultured in general (read literature/history/arts, oil paint, etc) and then, use the aforementioned to attract a fine, foreign women, one who can appreciate those things.

The fact of the matter is that a cultured muscle man is viewed as a 'gay' guy in America, a denizen of Provincetown MA or Key West FL. Women in America don't want the package above, they want to get pregnant by a muscle head (good genes training) but then, have their bills paid by a beta-tester. Or if they're simply looking for a loot, a Wall St investment banker type, regardless of his physique.
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Re: Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20

Postby davewe » Thu May 24, 2012 4:52 pm

MaximusGlory wrote:
Blue Murder wrote:Uhm . . . honest question here: Are you retarded?

First of all, a bad-boy is NOT an Alpha.

Secondly, what kind of rubbish are you spittin' mate? "Instead of going abroad where the women act right, stay here and continue to be rejected." That has to be the dumbest post I've seen thus far. I'm new, but that's still saying heaps when you consider how much lurking I've done here.

I mean, nobody can be THIS insipid. "Get a physique"? Are you f***ing serious? The only sensible thing you said was that all women have a natural tendency to be on some fuck-shit. But telling everyone here to stay in the West where they have no chance of getting any action? Yeah -- you're on your way to Betahood, good sir.

You know what? I'm going to keep this short. There'll be other members who'll tear you a new one. So I'll just grab my popcorn and watch the fireworks.


Hahaha. Wow. Here I am thinking that the men on this forum where respectful and amicable. Guess not.

First of all you dumba**. Everywhere I mention "alpha" in my original post, I used QUOTATION MARKS. I guess I should spell it out for you. Because I know they are not alpha. They are the biggest p***y beggars and PUA is nothing but p***y begging. I thought you guys would catch on, especially with the tone I was using, but clearly there are some here that lack basic comprehension skills (and want to call others retarded).

Now, where in my post do I say "stay here and get rejected"? I said getting a better physique will get you more respect from women. That's what I truly believe from own experience and from those of some of the guys I know. Which to me, is much simpler, then being a frustrated beta ****** like yourself, shelling out their hard earned cash and, unsuspectingly, getting a gold-digger/parasitic woman (I actually you hope you get one of these women and get what is coming to you, you insolent little .... ). At least having a better body gives more power and elevates your standing, worldwide. It's not stupid. It actually works.

You're pathetic. Honestly. To attack someone just for giving out a different perspective. I didn't say to stop or not to go abroad. I just think it's a way to help adapt to the situation here. Most women would like a man with a good body. It's not going to suddenly transform you into Don Juan, but it certainly helps and makes dealing with them (the western ones) easier. And what's the harm as opposed to potentially getting a parasite and being screwed a few years later.

What's wrong. Did the big athletic guys bully you in high school?


You didnt just state an opinion. You asked guys on a forum dedicated to traveling or living abroad whether they wouldn't be better off just staying here. And you put it up for a vote. So naturally you are gonna get strong reactions.

Once you have gone abroad and had relationships with women there, you will know the answer. When I return to the U.S. I simply have no interest in any one here; it's not a matter of whether I can get them or not, I simply don't want them. The women I have encountered in other countries are just that much better. Why eat ground turkey when you can have steak.

As to turning yourself into one of the 20% - why assume we aren't. I am part of the 20% with enough cash, time and cajones to get on a plane and leave AW behind.
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Postby Introvert » Thu May 24, 2012 4:58 pm

Maximus, welcome to the forum. Being from South Africa, you have already found your "abroad" in Vancouver. You are on your way to achieving both happiness abroad and working towards being in the top 20% of men in your area.

I didn't answer your poll because I don't see the two options as being mutually exclusive.
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