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Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20%?

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As stated in thread title

Poll ended at Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:59 am

Go Abroad
26
84%
Become One of the 20%
5
16%
 
Total votes : 31

Postby Jackal » Wed May 30, 2012 6:50 pm

"Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20%?"

I've given this question more thought. I think if you have the family/social connections to easily become one of the top 5% in America, then you should first use those connections to get a good education and perhaps an impressive internship or two--and then go overseas. After all, why go overseas weak if you can go over there strong?

However, for most guys like us who are just from average to poor families, I think it's smarter to go overseas as soon as you are ready, especially if you can also arrange to get an education cheaply overseas, too! There are many university programs offered in English now all over the world, many of which are MUCH cheaper than the ridiculous cost of education in the US!

But in reference to the OP's "Gee, if only I keep on working hard, I bet I can make it into the top 20%"-attitude, I think that's generally a pipe dream. I don't know much about Canada, but I know that America has some of the least class mobility of any of the countries in the world, and these days the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, so the gap is only widening and it's becoming even more difficult to "work your way to the top" and is simply a waste of time for most people to even attempt. Do you think that Bill Gates wants you showing up at his golf course? f**k no!

Although I have to also say that there are also some American guys who are so conformist, narrow-minded, and "All-American" in the way they think, speak, and act that they will only ever be happy living in America and will get very depressed very quickly if they go to a very different foreign country--thank god I'm not one of them!
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Postby pete98146 » Wed May 30, 2012 7:27 pm

Jackal wrote:"Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20%?"

I don't know much about Canada, but I know that America has some of the least class mobility of any of the countries in the world, and these days the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, so the gap is only widening and it's becoming even more difficult to "work your way to the top" and is simply a waste of time for most people to even attempt. Do you think that Bill Gates wants you showing up at his golf course? f**k no!
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I'll respectfully disagree with this comment. Yes the rich are getting richer but it's the poor that are prospering under the current socialist/democtratic regime ie Obama. Our "poor" enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world. I was got done reading that article about China and came to the conclusion that they owe much of their success to harnessing cheap labor. You can barely get the poor in the US to work a job for $12 an hour let alone $12 a day. They are spoiled, entitled and lazy. But who pays for all of their comforts in life? It's a combination of the middle class (which is being squeezed into extinction) and government loans/climbing debt.

Mark my words!!! This entitlement issue will be the undoing of this once great nation. Great thing about the US is that you can still find darn near any job, work hard and climb a ladder to moderate success. Problem is that many people are too lazy and entitled to pull themselves up by their own bootstaps. Why go to work when you are being positively rewarded every month with gov't stipends?
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Postby Blue Murder » Wed May 30, 2012 11:41 pm

The dude above me is a f***ing moron. Obviously, those in the government are in the 'rich' category you twisted, insipid f**k.

Being forced to pay more taxes than those who can afford 'em is entitled? You f***ing bumbling buffoon. You have to be Republican spouting that nonsense. The government stipends aren't shit, because at the end of the day, the poor are paying the higher taxes, and they're the ones who are being f***ed over by the elite. Look around you, idiot! The poor are getting poorer everyday because the rich aren't letting them LIVE.

Rich people. They don't make sense . . . EVER.
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Postby All_That_Is_Man » Thu May 31, 2012 7:42 am

pete98146 wrote:Problem is that many people are too lazy and entitled to pull themselves up by their own bootstaps. Why go to work when you are being positively rewarded every month with gov't stipends?


"Rewarded"?? I receive unemployment insurance right now because I was wrongfully terminated from my last job, but I'm lucky to get $68 USD per week ($272 USD per month). This is certainly no small fortune that anyone can live off of alone and disregard work. Therefore, I work full-time on my start-up business to compensate for a half-way "entitled" (ha ha) lifestyle of penny pinching, frugal spending, social sacrifices, fasting, and thrifty, careful saving that would almost make a miser blush. And I am only "rewarded" the benefits of unemployment checks simply because my last employer wrongfully (if not illegally) terminated me, and I have a potential lawsuit in my favor in spite of it. So much for this "entitled" life you speak of.
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Postby OutsideoftheBox » Thu May 31, 2012 11:30 am

The_Hero_of_Men wrote:
MaximusGlory wrote:
ethan_sg wrote:Look I think this question is actually unfair to many forumers here, suggesting that they're only going abroad because they don't qualify as the top 20%, as if that therefore going abroad is the sole alternative for those who are inferior.

I think a lot of guys here could probably do pretty okay with getting women in America if they wanted to but it's more a matter of whether it is really worth their while! So many American women are overweight and make such horrible and unreliable partners so really is it even worthwhile no matter how good you may be with them?

Pretty obvious choice to go abroad. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn't even be on this forum


Okay. I understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to suggest that. I just meant that, knowing if you were guaranteed success with either approach, which would you choose. I thought some of your responses would be based on your views of the women here vs those abroad, citing those views as the determining factor, and you have stated that. I meant no disrespect to any forumer.

The world has changed. I'm a young guy and even can point out how Feminism, the sexual liberation, etc., their ideas and the associated consequences (high divorce rates, single parenting, etc.) are spreading across the globe. Even to developing nations, like Indonesia and my home country. We can fight for our economic and political rights, but we can't fight this social change, so why not adapt? I like the idea of going abroad, experiencing a new culture and having casual dates/relationship. However I don't think marrying these women should be encouraged. I mean we've all heard the stories of a Western man marrying one of these women. Bringing her back home with him. Supporting her and, at times, providing for her family. Then a year or two later, she finds a lawyer and takes him out to the cleaners. I can point to the situation that Winston's arch enemy is going through right now with his soon to be Russian ex-wife.

I just think we all need to be fully aware of this. All woman are the same in that they all act out of self-interest. It is true that all human beings out of self-interest but, generally, men are more inclined to sacrifice whereas women are not. I suggested my solution of getting a gym membership and improving your physique because it just seems to me that, women here will then treat you better and give you more respect. Having a better physique will also improve your prospects abroad so either way it doesn't hurt.


You just do not get it, do you? We are not interested in American women, and we don't care if they respect us or not! We just choose not to involve ourselves with them because the legal, financial, physical, and emotional risks of even chasing after American women are far too great, and the reawards are paltry, at best. If I were to improve my physique (I do have kind of a pudge on me, but I'm otherwise average), it would be for me, and not to impress some shallow Americunt bitch. You sound like a woman, implying that "we should 'work' on ourselves to find a 'good' woman here". Only feminists and their pussified Mangina lapdogs would say crap like that. From what you're saying, you're willing to put your head in the sand, raise your butt in the air, and spread your churns for these females. You're actually trying to imply that you're willing to become a lapdog for these American women? Sir, one day you're gonna learn the hard way that American women are too much of a risk/liability!


Basically this "Maximus" user is merely another mangina that "blames the man" for American females being horrible. This thread is full of fail.
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Postby OutsideoftheBox » Thu May 31, 2012 11:35 am

MaximusGlory wrote:
The_Hero_of_Men wrote:
MaximusGlory wrote:
ethan_sg wrote:Look I think this question is actually unfair to many forumers here, suggesting that they're only going abroad because they don't qualify as the top 20%, as if that therefore going abroad is the sole alternative for those who are inferior.

I think a lot of guys here could probably do pretty okay with getting women in America if they wanted to but it's more a matter of whether it is really worth their while! So many American women are overweight and make such horrible and unreliable partners so really is it even worthwhile no matter how good you may be with them?

Pretty obvious choice to go abroad. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn't even be on this forum


Okay. I understand where you are coming from. I didn't mean to suggest that. I just meant that, knowing if you were guaranteed success with either approach, which would you choose. I thought some of your responses would be based on your views of the women here vs those abroad, citing those views as the determining factor, and you have stated that. I meant no disrespect to any forumer.

The world has changed. I'm a young guy and even can point out how Feminism, the sexual liberation, etc., their ideas and the associated consequences (high divorce rates, single parenting, etc.) are spreading across the globe. Even to developing nations, like Indonesia and my home country. We can fight for our economic and political rights, but we can't fight this social change, so why not adapt? I like the idea of going abroad, experiencing a new culture and having casual dates/relationship. However I don't think marrying these women should be encouraged. I mean we've all heard the stories of a Western man marrying one of these women. Bringing her back home with him. Supporting her and, at times, providing for her family. Then a year or two later, she finds a lawyer and takes him out to the cleaners. I can point to the situation that Winston's arch enemy is going through right now with his soon to be Russian ex-wife.

I just think we all need to be fully aware of this. All woman are the same in that they all act out of self-interest. It is true that all human beings out of self-interest but, generally, men are more inclined to sacrifice whereas women are not. I suggested my solution of getting a gym membership and improving your physique because it just seems to me that, women here will then treat you better and give you more respect. Having a better physique will also improve your prospects abroad so either way it doesn't hurt.


You just do not get it, do you? We are not interested in American women, and we don't care if they respect us or not! We just choose not to involve ourselves with them because the legal, financial, physical, and emotional risks of even chasing after American women are far too great, and the reawards are paltry, at best. If I were to improve my physique (I do have kind of a pudge on me, but I'm otherwise average), it would be for me, and not to impress some shallow Americunt bitch. You sound like a woman, implying that "we should 'work' on ourselves to find a 'good' woman here". Only feminists and their pussified Mangina lapdogs would say crap like that. From what you're saying, you're willing to put your head in the sand, raise your butt in the air, and spread your churns for these females. You're actually trying to imply that you're willing to become a lapdog for these American women? Sir, one day you're gonna learn the hard way that American women are too much of a risk/liability!


Okay cool, you're not interested in WW. Also, I didn't started working out for them. It started out as a hobby and I've just noticed the effect. I'm not a pussified mangina or lapdog lol. I clearly stated I follow MRAs, smh. Becoming part of the 20% will give men power won't it? I don't thinks too much harm in trying to attain that, but that's just me. I'm not trying dictate what the rest of you should, do what you want to do. And don't act like foreign women don't pose similar risks as well (to a lesser degree obviously).

It's starting to seem like there's a dogma on this forum and one's not allowed to offer a different perspective.


Moron, you joined a forum named HAPPIER ABROAD and tried to promote staying in America and becoming "part of the 20%" as superior.

Just leave motherf***er.
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Re: Which is better: Going abroad or becoming part of the 20

Postby OutsideoftheBox » Thu May 31, 2012 11:39 am

lavezzi wrote:
MaximusGlory wrote:So I'm a disgrace to Nelson Mandela am I? When I'm more educated and more accomplished than the majority of South Africans my age, white and black, sure...

But whatever. Look at you. You're a toddler. And it's clear you can't have a discussion without getting emotional. You were clearly raised by a single mother.


Both of those things mean NOTHING. Well, that's assuming what you've accomplished isn't anything more that having owned x amounts of bank notes or f***ed x amount of women, but based on your previous posts I'd be highly surprised.


Ah, The western educational system. That shows why that guy is damn stupid. He's indoctrinated.
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Postby ***JP*** » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:26 am

I've voted with my feet and not looking back. The american dating scene is the worst in the planet and hope has been lost to find someone real. So my answer is go abroad. Time to make these so called spoiled american princesses to learn that good men will no longer wait for them after they get banged by a a bunch of players and bad boys.
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Postby All_That_Is_Man » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:38 am

I don't see how MaximusGlory is a "mangina" (but then again, OutsideoftheBox and Blue Murder call everyone that). He's virtually asking "Would you stay or would you go?" I, too, thought he was promoting working out to impress American women, but after much elaboration, he clearly was not.
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Postby Blue Murder » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:01 am

Nobody BUT Outside and I would see why MG is a magina -- especially ATIM. He's one himself! But he can't read, so . . . I'd expect him to misillustrate MG's point.
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Postby OutsideoftheBox » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:11 am

Blue Murder wrote:Nobody BUT Outside and I would see why MG is a magina -- especially ATIM. He's one himself! But he can't read, so . . . I'd expect him to misillustrate MG's point.


Blue,

Here is what is occurring; herding. You see manginas are nothing but females with male genitalia. Therefore they behave exactly like females do. Since both you and I exposed the extremely high number of manginas on this site; they are now "ganging up" to disagree with any post that bears the usernames of those who "the herd" are against.

Simply compare American female behavior to some of the white nationalist and boot-licking manginas here. You'll see a striking similarity. A BITCH is a BITCH; no matter what.
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Postby Blue Murder » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:10 pm

OutsideoftheBox wrote:Blue,
Here is what is occurring; herding. You see manginas are nothing but females with male genitalia. Therefore they behave exactly like females do. Since both you and I exposed the extremely high number of manginas on this site; they are now "ganging up" to disagree with any post that bears the usernames of those who "the herd" are against.

Simply compare American female behavior to some of the white nationalist and boot-licking manginas here. You'll see a striking similarity. A BITCH is a BITCH; no matter what.

You have a point. BAW was on my dick when I was trying to join the MBA, but now that I've severed ties with 'em, he's all, "You ARE a troll. Someone ban him!"

Niggahs hate the truth I reckon.
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Postby OutsideoftheBox » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:44 pm

Blue Murder wrote:
OutsideoftheBox wrote:Blue,
Here is what is occurring; herding. You see manginas are nothing but females with male genitalia. Therefore they behave exactly like females do. Since both you and I exposed the extremely high number of manginas on this site; they are now "ganging up" to disagree with any post that bears the usernames of those who "the herd" are against.

Simply compare American female behavior to some of the white nationalist and boot-licking manginas here. You'll see a striking similarity. A BITCH is a BITCH; no matter what.

You have a point. BAW was on my dick when I was trying to join the MBA, but now that I've severed ties with 'em, he's all, "You ARE a troll. Someone ban him!"

Niggahs hate the truth I reckon.


Imagine sitting in the damn gym all f***ing day just to f**k some bitch that probably has an STD? The majority of American females have so much mileage down there it isn't funny. I guess because I pointed out the obvious with these mangina losers; they are now co-signing one another's bullshit. LOL.

What kind of pseudo-masculine cheerleading squad does Winston have here? Out of all of the posters here, only a handful of them are actually MEN.
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