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I believe that Winstonâ€™s failure in Taiwan is due to his failure to understand/appreciate Asian culture. I thoroughly believe that if Winston had a twin brother who was very Asian/Taiwanese in culture, that the twin would have found many women to date in Taiwan.
Winstonâ€™s Twin Brother:
As stated previously by Winston, every single day he sees geeky/unattractive guys with attractive, cute women. So where does Winston fail? Why does he continue to fail?
1. Winston does not understand Asian/Taiwanese culture.
He has even stated this himself that he feels that he does not belong.
2. Winston is a Banana.
Yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
3. Letâ€™s repeat. A guy who looks like Winston CAN get dates and a girlfriend in Taiwan.
Here is the link again: http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures ... riend.html
4. Even geeky FOBS do better than Winston
What would a fellow Taiwanese-American guy/FOB have done in contrast to Winston?
1. No male friends (local).
Benefits: Get out of the house more, get invited to social events, learn more about local culture and what local girls want
2. No knowledge of asian/local culture
Has never heard of or watched â€œfated to love youâ€, itâ€™s like living in the US and never having seen The Matrix or Seinfeld or something
No coed social circles/events-
Does not attend coed group dinners, hanging out at the cafÃ©, movie outings, sports events or parties
4. No female friends.
OK, a few female friends, but does not use his female friends to meet other new women. Female friends could fall for him over time.
5. No chance to meet girls in natural situations.
This means situations that ARE NOT STREET APPROACHES. The worst way to meet women in Taiwan.
6. No snowballing effect
get invited to a wedding or get invited to great parties. Or multiple meetings with a girl where they can get to know you.
7. Does not attend local social events
hiking trips, travel with other coed Taiwanese groups to Kenting, events where romantic connections are made
Winston dresses poorly and does not incorporate Asian style.
Most Taiwanese guys are much better dressed than Winston.
This guy actually looks like Winston:
9. Does not have a good, stylish haircut.
Good link for hundreds of asian menâ€™s haircuts:
10. Does not try to find friends/girls based on common interests
ex. hiking, surfing, music, travel, language, mountain climbing, artistic types who live in Dulan,
11. No chance to get introduced to new women.
Could tell all his good male and female friends that he is seeking a gf. Good friends will try to help him out, introduce him to new women even give him advice during the dating process and help with communication with the girl if something goes wrong
12. Does not go out constantly/is anti social in Taiwan
13. Does not make use of a local Taiwanese wingwoman, wingman.
A good wingman could talk up how good a person he is, how interesting he is , his accomplishments, etc. Good local wingwoman /wingman could approach and open random local women for him
14. Does not belong to major group/organization
Look at this group. It has had two meetings, each with 10-15 girls each. Both meetings only had one guy show up. You could easily have 10+ women drooling over you for 3-5 hours, get their numbers, become friends, have them introduce your to their other female friends, go on dates, went shopping together, hit the cafes etc.
Activity board in Tainan. Girls looking to do language exchange.
15. Does not belong to a church
Taiwanese church girls- pretty hot, huh?
16. Does not keep trying to woo a single girl
17. Also misses opportunities to potentially meet women who â€œdislikeâ€ Taiwan and or Taiwanese men .
for whom guys like Winston offer a different kind of guy or life in a different kind of society
18. Women are turned off by his â€œbanana-nessâ€
19. Women are turned off by his lack of knowledge of asian/local culture
20. Women believe that they lack common ground with Winston
21. Women turned off by his lack of friends/antisocial nature
22. Women turned off by his emphasis on shallow attractive babes instead of common asian values and romantic love women get from watching soap operas
23. Finally, any guy who was having extensive trouble in Taiwan would have known long ago to shift gears and go to China/Vietnam, etc. Heck, this is what local Taiwanese guys with poor prospects do.
(22. Lives in Chiayi, a small town with reduced prospects for meeting people/women)
(23. Winston does not do language exchange, probably THE EASIEST WAY to meet potential women, since you must spend time with them, get to know them in order to get effective language practice.)
Other Asian-American guys:
1. Huge social circles- lots of local friends. Most asian people love to include â€œdifferentâ€
2. Again introducing these two VERY POPULAR Japanese dramas where ugly, unattractive, undesirable guys get beautiful women.
101st Marriage Proposal
Most â€œoverseas Asiansâ€ are often known locally as â€œhuge playersâ€!! Winston, by contrast is the opposite.
Even though I adamantly refuse to look like a Mandopop pretty boy with bed hair, as some Chinese girls have suggested me to do so, I still do well with Chinese women. As in being able to socialize with them very well, their being at least a bit attracted to me, and so on.
Not being a "banana" or "Asian pocho" is especially important.
And maybe Dulan is a mistransliteration of Yilan?
Let's look at what Winston has in TW:
* Car (not limited by public transportation & taxi's)
* House (parents are away overseas)
* Money (not wealthy, but can afford to take a girl to places)
* Time (passive income does not require 8 hour job)
In comparison, when the rest of us 1.5 gen goes back to TW to visit:
* Have no car and restricted by public transportation, taxi, or the GF's parents acting as drivers & chauffeurs
* Staying at parents or relative's house, cannot bring girl home to stay overnight
* On 2-4 week vacation from work and must return to States
* Have to take GF on trip elsewhere & rent hotel room to get privacy
When I first started dating girls in TW, the girl's parents took us to places because I had no car and I was the "guest". Even if we went out by ourselves, at night she went back home to her parents, and I went back home to my parent's house. After 2 trips over 6 or 7 month span her parent suggested that I should take the daughter on a weekend trip somewhere so that we could get to know each other better. The fact that her parents had to make the suggestion was an embarrassment on my part, because I should have been the one to suggest it and request permission from her parents. None of the GF's I've had in TW were virgins. If you think the girl is prudish, it's probably because you're on the "out".
From my perspective, Winston has a car and can take girls to places, has his own place to take girls back to with privacy, and is not constrained by work-vacation days. He has all this time and opportunity to go out and meet people. So what if he's in Chayi? Alishan is in Chayi and many people arrive to go backpacking, sakura blossom & firefly watching:
Last edited by momopi on Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I remember a few times when Taiwanese and even Filipino and Mexican parents had told me, "My daughter would LOVE to get to know you!"
Beautiful videos. Very romantic. In fact, if I were a chick, and Winston took me to all those places, hell, I'd do him!!
Clearly Winston needs to start meeting the parents!!
Jester, this is the funniest sh:t you have ever said!
"Manginas grovel. Men travel." - me (04/17/2012)
"I used to be one of those men who believed that men are better than women at everything. Then I stood corrected!
Women are better than men at... getting fat." - me (02/24/2013)
Black women suck at life.
He must be hiding somewhere in his mama's basement thinking how to debate this thread.
Winston has disappeared! Did he not even notice GoDaddy going down last night?
The beautiful Asian men in this thread are OK, but does that girl know how high maintenence that man in the green t shirt is going to be????
if you're an open minded person, living in NE Asia is not easy. There's constant peer pressure, not only from your family, friends but from society in general.
There's always this competition and comparison who wears the nicest clothes, has the most money, the highest salary etc.
I would like to see how all of you would turn out after living over there a few years. Maybe the same as Winston, or, you're also someone who has the same nature/motivation as the rest of the population over there and will extremely like it.
What a strange but entertaining post.
But only half of what you say is true.
First, I do not have trouble understanding Asian culture. I understand it on the surface, but I don't resonate with it. My soul is not Asian. I do not act meek and humble. Look how arrogant I act and sound on here, is that how Asian men in Asia act? LOL. Thus I obviously do not fit in.
Asian culture is not about individualism, it's about groups. This means a person is nothing without a group. There is no concept of an individual or loner with a rich inner life who doesn't need others. A loner in Asia is empty and depressed.
Second, most Taiwanese guys do not dress better than me. You are comparing me with pop stars and celebrities. If you come to Chiayi, you will see that most guys here look like hicks, and dress way below me.
I'm happy with my dress and it makes me feel confident. I'm not going to dress like someone else I'm not.
Some women like and appreciate my confidence and freespirit vibe. There is a Chinese woman here (whom is now friends with Rock too) that I'm seeing who is drawn to me because of my freespirit nature, which is unusual and rare here, but she's not my type physically.
You misunderstand something. I have ways of meeting people here, but so what? What good is meeting another 100 or 500 people? The net result is still the same: They will all flake or remain platonic. If they like me, then they won't be my type. That's my fortune. Remember, Murphy's Law rules my life, not karma or statistics. Rock can even attest to that. Meeting more people is not going to change Murphy's Law. In fact, if you read my journals in Russia, I said the same thing years ago, that after meeting 500 women in Russia, the ONLY woman that wanted to sleep with me, was the ONLY one that I wasn't attracted to! What could be a stronger case for Murphy's Law than that?!?!?!
So you see, your conventional advice isn't going to change anything. If you want to help, you'll have to look deeper and tell me how I can win against Murphy's Law or turn its tide.
When I do meet someone I like who likes me, something always screws it up. As always, everything is Murphy's Law. What can you do about that? How do you fight a curse or jinx? That's the real question here.
Stop focusing on shallow issues which are not really the issue.
You also have to understand that I can't be something I'm not, and neither can you. I would not be happy trying to be something I'm not either.
Finally, keep in mind that if I had an Asian personality and was Asian on the inside, then this site wouldn't exist, I would be a conformist, and most of you guys would not even like me or resonate with me. Think about that. So you should try to appreciate who I am.
Overall, I don't think NE Asia is a good place to live for a nonconformist, for various obvious reasons. But that's a topic for another post.
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Not sure if I agree with the stereotype that Asian guys are meek. Maybe in Taiwan but not in South Korea. Sure in Asia there is more emphasis to conform compared to USA but still I met a number of cocky arrogant Asian guys there.
I think some of the stuff that Celery2010 posted has some validity to your situation but in real life I never met you so I'm not sure how your really like. I think Taiwan is somewhat similar to South Korea when it comes to society . I think but still I meet Asian American guys and western guys in those countries that do well in the dating and social area.
I guess Taiwan is just not for you..possible the rest of Asia maybe not for you. I know that your having some success writing to Chinese girls from China so maybe China maybe it but something is telling me your pretty finicky in where your living at and might end up complaining about China if you every decide to move there.
I remember your stated that Western European countries maybe would fit your personality but the problem is that your Asian looks hold you back in the dating market. I imagine if you were a 6 ft tall better looking Asian guy you might do better in the Western European countries.
But like you say your cocky about your looks and don't care what others say.
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