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In my opinion Rob is the deepest thinker on the planet about the system of law in place. I have known him for some time and we talk occasionally about the more complex issues.

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Well it seems that China has opened the door for business trading Yaun for Oil. It won’t take long now for the oil dependant countries to switch over leaving the US dollar in the dust bin where it belongs. However the Bankers that are the owners of the Federal Reserve along with all their demonic minions are stepping up to start WW III. I personally think they want to wipe out the worlds population so that China can win the war and start their New World Order based upon the Chinese model. Here are some news items to support what I am saying.

ARMADA OF BRITISH NAVAL POWER MASSING IN THE GULF AS ISRAEL PREPARES AN IRAN STRIKE
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo ... ead=252966

This video is very good giving an outline of how the Elite have used the dollar and military to force the US dollar on people around the world and the outright theft from Countries as the backing for for the US Currency. More than that it explains how we are being led into WW III to simply satisfy the power needs of the elite’s wet dream of the NWO.

http://youtu.be/i5N_huInM0k

I think people have to stop paying taxes and do what they can to cut off all funding to the Governments that and institutions that are making this come to being. It is simply not the US that is involved with this. Israel, Canada, Australia, UK, Netherlands and others. Twenty Five Countries are amassing in the Gulf for war games against Iran. These are the Countries that their Governments need to be stopped. This is really only an interim solution, but their can be no war if there are no aggressors. It is obvious that the US Dollar and the Federal Reserve need to be collapsed and brought under a proper stable economic currency where no theft of the gold backing the currency can occur.

Ultimately we need to do away with money and switch over to service to others from service to self, eliminating all prejudice and reason for conflict. Getting there is simply a mindset change. No more wars for religions or secret societies.

I have wrote extensively on how to stop the Government from taking legal action against you for not paying taxes. Perhaps it is time this information be applied by more people. Ultimately those who have family in the military must convince them not to fight for these ruling elites and instead work to serve their fellow man in creating peace and stability for all, not for the few.

rob
www.freedomfiles.org

Yes, if hte monetary system were collapsed, we would have to return to a more normal way of doing things. It would require a big change of mindset obviously, but as they say "money is the root of all evil". If money was destroyed, crime and poverty would also end.

If there is no money, there people no longer would be jealous of each other, steal from each other, do crime to make money, and so on.

Destroy money, and you have just fixed 90 percent of the world's problems.

Actually, it is the love of money that is the root of all evil. But putting that aside, the problem with doing away with money is that you would not be able to specialize in a particular field. In other words, things like CPU's or game consoles would not be as easy to produce in a barter only society. But, while I think we need money, let me ask you this: what is money? If you are saying we should eliminate baseless fiat currencies, then yeah I agree. But if you mean eliminate a currency with commodity backing or using a commodity itself as a means of exchange, then I don't think that it would be possible.

zacb wrote:Actually, it is the love of money that is the root of all evil. But putting that aside, the problem with doing away with money is that you would not be able to specialize in a particular field. In other words, things like CPU's or game consoles would not be as easy to produce in a barter only society. But, while I think we need money, let me ask you this: what is money? If you are saying we should eliminate baseless fiat currencies, then yeah I agree. But if you mean eliminate a currency with commodity backing or using a commodity itself as a means of exchange, then I don't think that it would be possible.

Zacb,
the manbank will enable trade with a man-ish currency that will be backed 100% by rare metals. A replacement for "money".

I explained this on this podcast.

A man will be able to buy and sell via transactions in the manbank and no physical object will need to be traded.

So...for example. If you have a man bank account and you develop computer games? You can sell those games in "man-dollars" to any man who also has an account at the man-bank. You want some food? Buy it from a man who has a store that accepts "man-dollars".

The entire notion of the man-bank is that only men who have made oath to act honestly and honourably will be allowed man-bank accounts. Further, all associates of the MBA make oath to be subject to a jury trial of their peers as well as make oath to serve on a jury when called upon.

When men have made such oaths then the incidence of stealing will be far lower since remedy for stealing is not about the amount stolen, it is about a man breaking his oath and dishonouring himself. A MUCH bigger deal.

The MBA is an honesty, oath based organisation. In that environment where honesty can be assumed and dishonesty is severely remedied, such things as man-bank accounts will work because the bank transaction can happen disconnected to the actual transaction.

For example...you go to the store today to buy some food. Before you leave the store you have to pay or leaving the premises without paying is called "stealing". An MBA associate will be able to give an IOU to the store for the food. The IOU can be for the cost of the food in man dollars to be paid inside 48 hours. The man can then go home to his computer and pay the store in man-dollars via the man bank.

This removes the need for POS equipment at every store. Just slips in triplicate are needed. Also, I am looking at secure mobile payments for the man-bank so that the transaction can be done with a cell phone at the check out. But, in most cases, the MBA identification card will be accepted at stores. Especially those stores that a man shops at regularly. We might even create a man-bank Identification system that the store staff can view the image of the man from our secure servers.

If you stop and think about it, if man-dollars are units that are 100% backed by some form of rare metal that are redeemable for that metal if needs be then the unit of exchange will settle in value over time.

All this is talked about in G Edward Griffins book the creature from Jekyll island. All that "money" needs to be to be effective is difficult to counterfeit, limited in supply, and to get more supply requires significant expending of resources.....silver, gold and platinum are all these. Though gold might be a problem because it is already controlled. We might have to pick some other metals that are dense and rare and hard to come by as the backing for the man dollars.

People could buy into the bank by bringing in rare metals as "deposits". But this is the proposal to go ahead with...

There are also such ideas as timebanks already running where you contribute time and then you can buy time from someone else. For example, baby sitting runs at about EUR15 per hour in Ireland....so if you do 3 hours of babysitting you can get EUR45. Then you can buy say a computer game where someone sets the price at say 2 man-hours.

The man hour then becomes the "currency" to be traded. There are lots of time banks being established. The man-bank could have a man-hour as one of the currencies that is traded. No problem.

zacb wrote:Actually, it is the love of money that is the root of all evil. But putting that aside, the problem with doing away with money is that you would not be able to specialize in a particular field. In other words, things like CPU's or game consoles would not be as easy to produce in a barter only society. But, while I think we need money, let me ask you this: what is money? If you are saying we should eliminate baseless fiat currencies, then yeah I agree. But if you mean eliminate a currency with commodity backing or using a commodity itself as a means of exchange, then I don't think that it would be possible.

I know the idea of the global financial and monetary system collapsing is frightening to you, it is to me as well, just to a bit of a less degree.

I believe what will happen is a total crash of all systems. Then after some time, naturally some systems will be rebuilt. Hopefully people will have learned from their past mistakes and set up a system that is much more safe and protected against corruption. The Man Bank could be the new system, for men at least. Women naturally will not have money or freedom.

I think that it would be better if we could reform and create rather than destroy. But I think that a collapse is the only option that will bring people to their senses, so to an extent I understand what you mean. The only thing I was saying is that we should not destroy money in a marxist sense, but more in the sense of capitalism, in that money, if it should be around, should be commodity backed. I am not per se afraid of the collapse, because I see opportunities in the world even now.

I am supportive of any system that encourages the rise of the human spirit. (Liberty) On a similar note to your system, you should check out Samuel Konkin lll and agorism. The whole goal of agorism is not to build a free society from the outside, but from the inside. That is what we are seeing with bitcoins and Tor. It is a a new world order in a sense. The only problem I have with bitcoins is the semi fiat nature of it, although it is based on the amount of electricity it needs to be generates. And one point about the MBA. I think that maybe if you make it like a AAA club or something similar, it would sound less elitest. Not to be rude, but it would help to make it like AAA for business men.Just a thought.

zacb wrote:I think that it would be better if we could reform and create rather than destroy. But I think that a collapse is the only option that will bring people to their senses, so to an extent I understand what you mean. The only thing I was saying is that we should not destroy money in a marxist sense, but more in the sense of capitalism, in that money, if it should be around, should be commodity backed. I am not per se afraid of the collapse, because I see opportunities in the world even now.

I am supportive of any system that encourages the rise of the human spirit. (Liberty) On a similar note to your system, you should check out Samuel Konkin lll and agorism. The whole goal of agorism is not to build a free society from the outside, but from the inside. That is what we are seeing with bitcoins and Tor. It is a a new world order in a sense. The only problem I have with bitcoins is the semi fiat nature of it, although it is based on the amount of electricity it needs to be generates. And one point about the MBA. I think that maybe if you make it like a AAA club or something similar, it would sound less elitest. Not to be rude, but it would help to make it like AAA for business men.Just a thought.

What, exactly, is "elitist" about a Mens Business Association? All men are in business. From the man who used to turn the taps on in the mens room in my hotel in Hong Kong to Bill Gates and Larry Elison. We are all in business in some shape or form even if it is our own home business where we grow our own food and build our own houses.

As soon as you want to trade the proceeds of your labour with another man? You are in business. You can barter or you can find a medium of exchange that is neutral.

"Money", as we call it, is just a medium of exchange that is neutral.

The idea that we allow the guvment to control money is more than insane....it is self destructive. It is about time men woke up to the idea that money is something that the guvments and the banks are best kept out of. Let GOD create "money". Not man. And let men understand that money is nothing more and nothing less than the proceeds of their labour transformed into a fungible transferable medium of exchange for the proceeds of labour.

By the way? MBA is my idea so I get to call it what I want.. . All three words are there for a reason. Men....business...and association.

By the way. I have offered to run the womens business association if the women want one....apparently they do not want one. The guvment is their sugar daddy.

Perfect reply.

The real problem seems to be that money is controlled by the government. Thus they can easily manipulate it, inflate it, or destroy it, as needed.

I guess most people here are intelligent enough to understand that the economic collapse we have been experiencing for the past 3 years has been an ENGINEERED one? Then again, I am probably assuming too much. When you assume others to be intelligent, you are almost always disappointed. It's easier to just assume people are stupid, at least then you won't be disappointed when it turns out to be true.

Mitsukuni Haninozuka wrote:

What is with the f***ing tiger fetish, man?

I am not saying you are, and I was using AAA as an example. I honestly hope your idea is able to get off the ground. And what I meant is to use the money like vouchers at member shops. That is all I am saying. I used the AAA as an anology, not as a new name. I think MBA is actually a good name. But back to the idea. What I meant is it might help to have that structure for a business, so it can gain more than just a small following within people such as ourselves. And in regards to about all ofus being a businessmen, I agree. I don't know if any of you are religious, but in tue Bible it said to subdues the earth. Did it tell you to be subdued? Like I said, I wish you the best of luck. I just wanted to offer a suggestion.

Since nobody here understands obviously I'll go ahead and explain exactly what's going to happen.

First the Mason's/Jews are going to collapse world financial markets in one day, as they have all of them directly under computer control.

Then when this happens nobody will be able to withdraw money from the bank and the whole entire system will collapse word wide.

This will immediately trigger WW3 between China and Russia and the Middle East against the EU and America and Israel.

1/3 of the world will be killed, and the world will be bartering due to the financial collapse.

Then a gray alien is going to show up and bring "peace" to the world, and much technology and many great wonders.

Then he will declare himself God and sit in the Temple in Israel, which he will rebuild or it will already be rebuilt, or which he may do in 3 days proving that he indeed is both God and the Christ, but in reality he will really be the Antichrist, the beast.

And he will use his global wireless system now in place to control everyone's ability to either buy or sell, and he will use a hologram of himself to communicate to everyone.

And I believe 100% that the start of all of this is going to happen somewhere around March of 2013, or perhaps a bit sooner.

Whatever you do don't worship this gray alien as God, because he is not God, God is a spirit being whom you cannot even look at this face because he's too powerful. And God's Christ who is God's son is now also in spirit form and he is just like God in appearance and in power.

So don't be fooled by this gray alien for he is most certainly not God, don't fall for the Jews deception, evolution is a mathematical impossibility...

Devils Advocate

zacb wrote:I am not saying you are, and I was using AAA as an example. I honestly hope your idea is able to get off the ground. And what I meant is to use the money like vouchers at member shops. That is all I am saying. I used the AAA as an anology, not as a new name. I think MBA is actually a good name. But back to the idea. What I meant is it might help to have that structure for a business, so it can gain more than just a small following within people such as ourselves. And in regards to about all ofus being a businessmen, I agree. I don't know if any of you are religious, but in tue Bible it said to subdues the earth. Did it tell you to be subdued? Like I said, I wish you the best of luck. I just wanted to offer a suggestion.

If you hope it gets off the ground what are you doing to do so?

The MBA will not have ANY "following". "Following" is what sheep do when a judas sheep leads them to their doom. I will not tolerate ANY "followers". Indeed, if I catch a man being a "follower" I will kick him out of the MBA and tell him to go "follow his leaders in guvment".

The MBA is ONLY for men who can GOVERN THEMSELVES. That is they are their OWN LEADERS and they do not need to "follow" anyone.

How many such men would it take to make the MBA a success?

I think about 1,000 is the starting point. Remember, an MBA member can sell his goods and services to ANYONE.

1,000 men working collaboratively to promote their own products and services out into the broader market making an average of EUR100,000 pre year in revenue would make it a EUR100,000,000 business association. With that amount of revenues, or revenue equivalent, flowing? There would be plenty of money to let other people know what we are doing. Remember, google got big without ANY advertising....bit it was funded by the Illuminati.

What I am creating is a business association that is for the less than 1%....just those men who want to be free. 99% of men want to be slaves. So let them. It is the old "do not try to teach a pig to sing...it sounds terrible and annoys the pig."

Your attitude in your comments is very much "I wish you luck with that, let me know how it goes, if you get it going I might join."

And THAT is exactly the problem with men today and why they DESERVE their slavery. They sit back and wait for someone else to do all the hard work and then want to join for almost nothing and gain lots of benefits without any effort. I do not want those men in the MBA...they will just act like children and mess the place up...

MBA is for ADULTS....not children...and most "men" are children today...when they GROW UP and are willing to live up to their word? Then they are welcome.

DevilsAdvocate wrote:Since nobody here understands obviously I'll go ahead and explain exactly what's going to happen.

First the Mason's/Jews are going to collapse world financial markets in one day, as they have all of them directly under computer control.

Then when this happens nobody will be able to withdraw money from the bank and the whole entire system will collapse word wide.

This will immediately trigger WW3 between China and Russia and the Middle East against the EU and America and Israel.

1/3 of the world will be killed, and the world will be bartering due to the financial collapse.

Then a gray alien is going to show up and bring "peace" to the world, and much technology and many great wonders.

Then he will declare himself God and sit in the Temple in Israel, which he will rebuild or it will already be rebuilt, or which he may do in 3 days proving that he indeed is both God and the Christ, but in reality he will really be the Antichrist, the beast.

And he will use his global wireless system now in place to control everyone's ability to either buy or sell, and he will use a hologram of himself to communicate to everyone.

And I believe 100% that the start of all of this is going to happen somewhere around March of 2013, or perhaps a bit sooner.

Whatever you do don't worship this gray alien as God, because he is not God, God is a spirit being whom you cannot even look at this face because he's too powerful. And God's Christ who is God's son is now also in spirit form and he is just like God in appearance and in power.

So don't be fooled by this gray alien for he is most certainly not God, don't fall for the Jews deception, evolution is a mathematical impossibility...

Devils Advocate

Oh...I know that this is what they are TRYING to do...and the only way out is to walk off the sheep station and then put the intermediaries, the members of guvments, on trial and remove them....if we fail in this? What you say will happen, 99.9% sure of it. So it is not "nobody here understands", john rambo and I do, and we have done out best to stop it.....we are in the tiny minority of less than 0.1% of men who have actually made an effort to stop WW III from happening.

Since we are roundly hated for trying to stop WW III from happening and have been for some time.....we now take the position that these ignorant and stupid sheep must WANT WW III to happen and we hope it does.....it would be nice for me (and I presume him) to survive WW III.....

But if I do not survive? I have had a great life. I was suicidal 4.5 years ago. The Illuminati can not do anything to me I was not prepared to do to myself. What are they going to do? Kill me? Try threatening a man to kill him after he has been suicidal! LOL!! He will laugh in your face. To do such a thing? You had better kill him because he WILL dispense summary justice at such a threat if posed by someone credible like a cop.

Nah. I have had a good life. I love the life I have now. But if I were to die in WW III tomorrow in a great cleansing that killed off 95% of the worlds people? I would not be that upset about it. Those people deserve to die, most of them.

DevilsAdvocate wrote:Since nobody here understands obviously I'll go ahead and explain exactly what's going to happen.

First the Mason's/Jews are going to collapse world financial markets in one day, as they have all of them directly under computer control.

Then when this happens nobody will be able to withdraw money from the bank and the whole entire system will collapse word wide.

This will immediately trigger WW3 between China and Russia and the Middle East against the EU and America and Israel.

1/3 of the world will be killed, and the world will be bartering due to the financial collapse.

Then a gray alien is going to show up and bring "peace" to the world, and much technology and many great wonders.

Then he will declare himself God and sit in the Temple in Israel, which he will rebuild or it will already be rebuilt, or which he may do in 3 days proving that he indeed is both God and the Christ, but in reality he will really be the Antichrist, the beast.

And he will use his global wireless system now in place to control everyone's ability to either buy or sell, and he will use a hologram of himself to communicate to everyone.

And I believe 100% that the start of all of this is going to happen somewhere around March of 2013, or perhaps a bit sooner.

Whatever you do don't worship this gray alien as God, because he is not God, God is a spirit being whom you cannot even look at this face because he's too powerful. And God's Christ who is God's son is now also in spirit form and he is just like God in appearance and in power.

So don't be fooled by this gray alien for he is most certainly not God, don't fall for the Jews deception, evolution is a mathematical impossibility...

Devils Advocate

Hate to have to tell you this, but Jesus is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER, just like Satan. There's not one single piece of historical evidence to prove that Jesus ever existed. As for Satan, he's just the opposite role of Jesus, playing the "bad guy", so he is probably just as fictional as Jesus was.

PeterAndrewNolan wrote:

DevilsAdvocate wrote:Since nobody here understands obviously I'll go ahead and explain exactly what's going to happen.

First the Mason's/Jews are going to collapse world financial markets in one day, as they have all of them directly under computer control.

Then when this happens nobody will be able to withdraw money from the bank and the whole entire system will collapse word wide.

This will immediately trigger WW3 between China and Russia and the Middle East against the EU and America and Israel.

1/3 of the world will be killed, and the world will be bartering due to the financial collapse.

Then a gray alien is going to show up and bring "peace" to the world, and much technology and many great wonders.

Then he will declare himself God and sit in the Temple in Israel, which he will rebuild or it will already be rebuilt, or which he may do in 3 days proving that he indeed is both God and the Christ, but in reality he will really be the Antichrist, the beast.

And he will use his global wireless system now in place to control everyone's ability to either buy or sell, and he will use a hologram of himself to communicate to everyone.

And I believe 100% that the start of all of this is going to happen somewhere around March of 2013, or perhaps a bit sooner.

Whatever you do don't worship this gray alien as God, because he is not God, God is a spirit being whom you cannot even look at this face because he's too powerful. And God's Christ who is God's son is now also in spirit form and he is just like God in appearance and in power.

So don't be fooled by this gray alien for he is most certainly not God, don't fall for the Jews deception, evolution is a mathematical impossibility...

Devils Advocate

Oh...I know that this is what they are TRYING to do...and the only way out is to walk off the sheep station and then put the intermediaries, the members of guvments, on trial and remove them....if we fail in this? What you say will happen, 99.9% sure of it. So it is not "nobody here understands", john rambo and I do, and we have done out best to stop it.....we are in the tiny minority of less than 0.1% of men who have actually made an effort to stop WW III from happening.

Since we are roundly hated for trying to stop WW III from happening and have been for some time.....we now take the position that these ignorant and stupid sheep must WANT WW III to happen and we hope it does.....it would be nice for me (and I presume him) to survive WW III.....

But if I do not survive? I have had a great life. I was suicidal 4.5 years ago. The Illuminati can not do anything to me I was not prepared to do to myself. What are they going to do? Kill me? Try threatening a man to kill him after he has been suicidal! LOL!! He will laugh in your face. To do such a thing? You had better kill him because he WILL dispense summary justice at such a threat if posed by someone credible like a cop.

Nah. I have had a good life. I love the life I have now. But if I were to die in WW III tomorrow in a great cleansing that killed off 95% of the worlds people? I would not be that upset about it. Those people deserve to die, most of them.

Yes, a man who has given up the fear of death is the most powerful man on earth. Nothing can stop such a man. He has given up the ROOT CAUSE of fear (death is the deepest subconscious fear), and is thus no longer able to be controlled by the Illuminati. 98 percent of people on this planet are such useless eaters who yes, DESERVE to be killed off by the Illuminati, that they do not possess the tremendous character, integrity, strength, and spiritual knowledge required to achieve a state of fearlessness of death. In Sanskrit, the term for fearlessness is abhaya.

It should also be said that true fearlessness is different from being reckless. The thugs, gangbangers, criminals, and low class idiots are just RECKLESS, that is, they have nothing to lose, so they do not fear anything. A spiritually enlightened man is fearless and he will act to try to enlighten others so as to fix the root cause of their problems- ignorance.

But when such enlightened men see the reality, that 95 percent of people DO NOT WANT enlightenment, they do not want to wake up, the natural response is that they will become very disgusted with the whole population.

I sometimes wonder, is there any real difference between we and the Illuminati?