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Just a few contradictions I noticed on this website

Postby Andrewww » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:26 am

I've been going through the many articles and videos on this website and I'm gonna say right away that I agree with 2/3 of what Winston is saying about western women and the dating scene in North America. I've experienced many of the same problems. However, on the forum Winston is posting his experiences with escorts in Thailand...I mean seriously, that's not the image I think of when I imagine someone "happier" abroad. Not that I have anything against escorts. I actually think prostitution should be legal, especially in the US. But imo in order to be happy you should start a family and if that's not possible abroad then it's not worth leaving.

Another issue I found is that people around here (with some notable exceptions to which I say: congratulations) don't actually want to be happier abroad. They'd rather go meet someone in a foreign county and bring her back to a feminazi society. That's not the way to go imo. If you wanna change your life then you should make an effort to live abroad for a few years. Learn the language, the culture, find a job there (even if it pays 50% less) and start a family. Otherwise it would be easier (and cheaper) for you to meet a foreign woman fresh off the boat. They're usually more receptive since they haven't been indoctrinated...yet.

So these are just some of my observations and thoughts. Feel free to comment on what exactly does it mean to be "happier abroad".
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Re: Just a few contradictions I noticed on this website

Postby zboy1 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:42 am

Andrewww wrote:I've been going through the many articles and videos on this website and I'm gonna say right away that I agree with 2/3 of what Winston is saying about western women and the dating scene in North America. I've experienced many of the same problems. However, on the forum Winston is posting his experiences with escorts in Thailand...I mean seriously, that's not the image I think of when I imagine someone "happier" abroad. Not that I have anything against escorts. I actually think p4p should be legal, especially in the US. But imo in order to be happy you should start a family and if that's not possible abroad then it's not worth leaving.

Another issue I found is that people around here (with some notable exceptions to which I say: congratulations) don't actually want to be happier abroad. They'd rather go meet someone in a foreign county and bring her back to a feminazi society. That's not the way to go imo. If you wanna change your life then you should make an effort to live abroad for a few years. Learn the language, the culture, find a job there (even if it pays 50% less) and start a family. Otherwise it would be easier (and cheaper) for you to meet a foreign woman fresh off the boat. They're usually more receptive since they haven't been indoctrinated...yet.

So these are just some of my observations and thoughts. Feel free to comment on what exactly does it mean to be "happier abroad".


Yes, I agree there a lot of contradictions on this site; for example, as you mentioned in your post, Winston and his whore-mongering does not give a good impression of this site. But, in defense of Winston, I believe he has a right to do whatever he wants with his life--and he does so regardless of his critics--which is something I respect in him. I also believe that one should learn as much as possible about the culture and language of a foreign country before traveling or moving to another country. I also disagree with the notion of bringing a foreign women back to the United States or any other Anglo country.

When and if I do move overseas sometime in the future, I plan to assimilate into the native country as much as possible, and look for a suitable women to marry rather than look for a whore or f**k buddy. I want a real commitment and a real relationship with a women. I also don't plan on returning to the U.S. except to visit family members--if I do leave permanently.
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Postby terminator » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:01 am

I couldn't agree more about being "happier abroad." I hope these foreign women that American guys bring to the USA take them to the cleaners! I hope they kick him out of his house and get most of his money for the next 20 years in child support! That'll teach them.
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Postby djfourmoney » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:36 am

terminator wrote:I couldn't agree more about being "happier abroad." I hope these foreign women that American guys bring to the USA take them to the cleaners! I hope they kick him out of his house and get most of his money for the next 20 years in child support! That'll teach them.


There legimate reasons for coming back, you don't know much do you?

(1) Your wife is not given a Green Card until 3/6 months after you marry her. This means she can not travel back to her home country and then regain entry into the United States. You can read much more about those issues on Visa Stories forum.

If I do marry a Eastern European or South American there status is not as a legal resident just yet. At this point IMHO there is still value in being an American Citizen.

A CIS passport has little to no value unless you wanna visit/live in developing countries. With a Green Card she can apply and get a US Passport as a legal resdient of the US by marriage (K1).

If we wanted to relocate to Western Europe for example, she can't do it with a CIS passport, she must have an EU or US passport to legally enter EU member countries.

(2) You are engaging in typical fear mongering, I do not know anybody that is married to a woman not from America that has been Americanized.. You read too much into these tails of woe mentioned around the internet. Most of those relationship breakdowns can be easily explained and none of them have to do with becoming Americanized, she was already a Shark he just didn't pick up the signs (which IMHO are easy).

One poster here admited to marrying a woman with a very troubled childhood. Since mental health is not taken seriously in Russia let alone in the part of Russia where she was from (The Caucaues) she took her troubled childhood into adulthood.

Mark has said and I agree with; Nothing is impossible but its highly unlikely a woman from another country would go through the motions for three years to get her status here legally without being married.

The impossible does happen, there was some poor slob that never had sex with his wife before or after he married her... How can somebody do that is beyond me, but it takes all kinds.

You give women too much credit, when you do that you have already lost the battle and the war. Also stop viewing these women through the lense of US women, these are NOT US Women and Women are NOT THE SAME AROUND THE WORLD.
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Postby skateboardstephen » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:45 am

Well i am planing to do exactly that, live happier abroad in my fiances country even though at first the plan was for her to come to the states that has changed due to the fact that we already have a house in Brazil and my fiance has a stable job with health benefits and is attending a university.She does not speak English and would not adapt well to the change any way.
se eu soubesse o que eu sei hoje, teria mando mulheres americanas para foder-se há muitos anos.que deus abençoe o brasil!
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Re: Just a few contradictions I noticed on this website

Postby djfourmoney » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:50 am

zboy1 wrote:
Andrewww wrote:I've been going through the many articles and videos on this website and I'm gonna say right away that I agree with 2/3 of what Winston is saying about western women and the dating scene in North America. I've experienced many of the same problems. However, on the forum Winston is posting his experiences with escorts in Thailand...I mean seriously, that's not the image I think of when I imagine someone "happier" abroad. Not that I have anything against escorts. I actually think p4p should be legal, especially in the US. But imo in order to be happy you should start a family and if that's not possible abroad then it's not worth leaving.

Another issue I found is that people around here (with some notable exceptions to which I say: congratulations) don't actually want to be happier abroad. They'd rather go meet someone in a foreign county and bring her back to a feminazi society. That's not the way to go imo. If you wanna change your life then you should make an effort to live abroad for a few years. Learn the language, the culture, find a job there (even if it pays 50% less) and start a family. Otherwise it would be easier (and cheaper) for you to meet a foreign woman fresh off the boat. They're usually more receptive since they haven't been indoctrinated...yet.

So these are just some of my observations and thoughts. Feel free to comment on what exactly does it mean to be "happier abroad".


Yes, I agree there a lot of contradictions on this site; for example, as you mentioned in your post, Winston and his whore-mongering does not give a good impression of this site. But, in defense of Winston, I believe he has a right to do whatever he wants with his life--and he does so regardless of his critics--which is something I respect in him. I also believe that one should learn as much as possible about the culture and language of a foreign country before traveling or moving to another country. I also disagree with the notion of bringing a foreign women back to the United States or any other Anglo country.

When and if I do move overseas sometime in the future, I plan to assimilate into the native country as much as possible, and look for a suitable women to marry rather than look for a whore or f**k buddy. I want a real commitment and a real relationship with a women. I also don't plan on returning to the U.S. except to visit family members--if I do leave permanently.


Wrong, 5 years later Mark speaks very little Russian, 5 years later Peter Marra speaks very little Russian, 3 years later Law Jackson speaks very little Russian. Two years of marriage, two years of dating and my boy Nate does not speak much Russian and his wife speaks excellent English to Terminators' fear based post, she was an exchange student here in America, so much for your Americanized claim usually coming from White men as I have said before with NOTHING TO LOOSE. If your a Black man you have LESS than nothing, so what is the real issue with this fear based nonsense?

I don't know more than a few words of Spanish and I have specifically targeted countries where English is widely spoken and the offical second language of a country. Belgium and The Neterlands are high on that list. However Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland English is widely spoken and there are English language schools in all these countries including Germany.

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Postby skateboardstephen » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:05 am

djfourmoney wrote:
terminator wrote:I couldn't agree more about being "happier abroad." I hope these foreign women that American guys bring to the USA take them to the cleaners! I hope they kick him out of his house and get most of his money for the next 20 years in child support! That'll teach them.


There legimate reasons for coming back, you don't know much do you?

(1) Your wife is not given a Green Card until 3/6 months after you marry her. This means she can not travel back to her home country and then regain entry into the United States. You can read much more about those issues on Visa Stories forum.

If I do marry a Eastern European or South American there status is not as a legal resident just yet. At this point IMHO there is still value in being an American Citizen.

A CIS passport has little to no value unless you wanna visit/live in developing countries. With a Green Card she can apply and get a US Passport as a legal resdient of the US by marriage (K1).

If we wanted to relocate to Western Europe for example, she can't do it with a CIS passport, she must have an EU or US passport to legally enter EU member countries.

(2) You are engaging in typical fear mongering, I do not know anybody that is married to a woman not from America that has been Americanized.. You read too much into these tails of woe mentioned around the internet. Most of those relationship breakdowns can be easily explained and none of them have to do with becoming Americanized, she was already a Shark he just didn't pick up the signs (which IMHO are easy).

One poster here admited to marrying a woman with a very troubled childhood. Since mental health is not taken seriously in Russia let alone in the part of Russia where she was from (The Caucaues) she took her troubled childhood into adulthood.

Mark has said and I agree with; Nothing is impossible but its highly unlikely a woman from another country would go through the motions for three years to get her status here legally without being married.

The impossible does happen, there was some poor slob that never had sex with his wife before or after he married her... How can somebody do that is beyond me, but it takes all kinds.

You give women too much credit, when you do that you have already lost the battle and the war. Also stop viewing these women through the lense of US women, these are NOT US Women and Women are NOT THE SAME AROUND THE WORLD.


I agree with you but the only thing i have a problem with is the bureaucracy hell you have to go though for the k1 visa and it is also expensive and seems tiring.You have to not only visit your fiance you have to spend more money on the k1 and the medical exam she has to do plus she may not be in a situation where she can afford the plane ticket so then you pay for that.Then she has two interviews she has to do and if you f**k them up she can be denied entry.She will most likely come here not knowing English and completely depending on you.And you are f***ed if you don't meet the income requirement to get the visa in the first place so then you need a co-sponsor but if she leaves you and collects well fare for example, that co-sponsor could be held responsible to pay your ex-wife support up to 10 years or until she becomes a citizen.So the likely hood of finding someone to take that risk is low.

k1 is ok if that is what you choose just be ready to fork over some cash.Hell you would be better off if she came to the states on a tourist visa and she tried to adjust status after you marry her.The emigration policy of other countries is easier and cheaper if you where to go to your wife's country,but i also know that every one is not so lucky to be able to do so for various reasons.
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Postby terminator » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:09 am

djfourmoney wrote:
terminator wrote:I couldn't agree more about being "happier abroad." I hope these foreign women that American guys bring to the USA take them to the cleaners! I hope they kick him out of his house and get most of his money for the next 20 years in child support! That'll teach them.


There legimate reasons for coming back, you don't know much do you?

(1) Your wife is not given a Green Card until 3/6 months after you marry her. This means she can not travel back to her home country and then regain entry into the United States. You can read much more about those issues on Visa Stories forum.

If I do marry a Eastern European or South American there status is not as a legal resident just yet. At this point IMHO there is still value in being an American Citizen.

A CIS passport has little to no value unless you wanna visit/live in developing countries. With a Green Card she can apply and get a US Passport as a legal resdient of the US by marriage (K1).

If we wanted to relocate to Western Europe for example, she can't do it with a CIS passport, she must have an EU or US passport to legally enter EU member countries.

(2) You are engaging in typical fear mongering, I do not know anybody that is married to a woman not from America that has been Americanized.. You read too much into these tails of woe mentioned around the internet. Most of those relationship breakdowns can be easily explained and none of them have to do with becoming Americanized, she was already a Shark he just didn't pick up the signs (which IMHO are easy).

One poster here admited to marrying a woman with a very troubled childhood. Since mental health is not taken seriously in Russia let alone in the part of Russia where she was from (The Caucaues) she took her troubled childhood into adulthood.

Mark has said and I agree with; Nothing is impossible but its highly unlikely a woman from another country would go through the motions for three years to get her status here legally without being married.

The impossible does happen, there was some poor slob that never had sex with his wife before or after he married her... How can somebody do that is beyond me, but it takes all kinds.

You give women too much credit, when you do that you have already lost the battle and the war. Also stop viewing these women through the lense of US women, these are NOT US Women and Women are NOT THE SAME AROUND THE WORLD.


My post was "hyperbole" - I really don't wish that on my worst enemy. I was also pointing out & agreeing with andrewww that few guys aim to spend their lives abroad like the name happierabroad suggests. You have made good points, and I hope guys don't meet passport scammers or gold diggers,but you can't always tell until it's too late.
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Postby djfourmoney » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:10 am

skateboardstephen wrote:Well i am planing to do exactly that, live happier abroad in my fiances country even though at first the plan was for her to come to the states that has changed due to the fact that we already have a house in Brazil and my fiance has a stable job with health benefits and is attending a university.She does not speak English and would not adapt well to the change any way.


I would also relocate to Brazil IF I found a woman there worthwhile, still not convinced and won't be until the end of the year when I put my plan in motion.

Brazil has a growing economy that has slowed a bit but that's because the US and EU have slowed down. It will improve the closer we get to the World Cup.

The disvantage/advantage of marrying a FSU woman is its likely she doesn't own anything (property). This seems to be only women in their 30's own the apartment they live in. A frequent poster on RUA forums mentioned his wife did in fact work hard when she was young and owned her property in Russia in her mid to late 20's. She currently rents it out, but she is far from typical.

Dinara, Alyona, Anna Marra and Anna Davis all lived at home when they married their husbands, for women in their 20's (and no children) this is very more common. Obviously if a woman was married before and had children she shared an apartment (home ownership is rare in FSU at a young age) ie: moved out of the family home.

I am not against relocating out of the country and I am actively trying to encourage my parents to relocate to Panama or another South/Central American country. It just has to be ordely and proper paperwork (as I explained) is in place.

Willy Nilly will get you in trouble.
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Postby djfourmoney » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:30 am

terminator wrote:
djfourmoney wrote:
terminator wrote:I couldn't agree more about being "happier abroad." I hope these foreign women that American guys bring to the USA take them to the cleaners! I hope they kick him out of his house and get most of his money for the next 20 years in child support! That'll teach them.


There legimate reasons for coming back, you don't know much do you?

(1) Your wife is not given a Green Card until 3/6 months after you marry her. This means she can not travel back to her home country and then regain entry into the United States. You can read much more about those issues on Visa Stories forum.

If I do marry a Eastern European or South American there status is not as a legal resident just yet. At this point IMHO there is still value in being an American Citizen.

A CIS passport has little to no value unless you wanna visit/live in developing countries. With a Green Card she can apply and get a US Passport as a legal resdient of the US by marriage (K1).

If we wanted to relocate to Western Europe for example, she can't do it with a CIS passport, she must have an EU or US passport to legally enter EU member countries.

(2) You are engaging in typical fear mongering, I do not know anybody that is married to a woman not from America that has been Americanized.. You read too much into these tails of woe mentioned around the internet. Most of those relationship breakdowns can be easily explained and none of them have to do with becoming Americanized, she was already a Shark he just didn't pick up the signs (which IMHO are easy).

One poster here admited to marrying a woman with a very troubled childhood. Since mental health is not taken seriously in Russia let alone in the part of Russia where she was from (The Caucaues) she took her troubled childhood into adulthood.

Mark has said and I agree with; Nothing is impossible but its highly unlikely a woman from another country would go through the motions for three years to get her status here legally without being married.

The impossible does happen, there was some poor slob that never had sex with his wife before or after he married her... How can somebody do that is beyond me, but it takes all kinds.

You give women too much credit, when you do that you have already lost the battle and the war. Also stop viewing these women through the lense of US women, these are NOT US Women and Women are NOT THE SAME AROUND THE WORLD.


My post was "hyperbole" - I really don't wish that on my worst enemy. I was also pointing out & agreeing with andrewww that few guys aim to spend their lives abroad like the name happierabroad suggests. You have made good points, and I hope guys don't meet passport scammers or gold diggers,but you can't always tell until it's too late.


I disagree a properly imformed person will not get scammed there is no reason to be fearful. American women take men to the cleaners all the time and I don't hear the same concerns about that.

That is a form of xenophobia.

As I said if she is constantly trying to make you take her to an expensive restaurants or demand expensive items. You pay for these things, you've been had.

As I said easily detected.

I mentioned the previous poster who married a woman with mental problems (something Tony Bochene has done as well) and he had a family and children with this woman. When she got her education, finished school and started working for Amgen here in California, a few years later she demanded a divorce. Who knows what happen as we only heard his side of the story... But as I said, its highly unlikely a woman will go through the motions, have children and have sex with a man she doesn't like very much. Most women are not up on US Immgration Law and I'm not here to inform them.

I will say there are timing mechanisms built into getting your Green Card post marriage if you get a divorce after getting married on a K1. I know a woman who did this. She is from Hungary NOT Russia or Ukraine (1), she came here on a regular Visa issued to her by the US to visit. After 90 days she didn't want to go back to Hungary. So she talked I believe he's Black friend of hers to marry so she could stay (I believe thats a I-485). They stayed married just long enough for her to qualify to stay legally, with a temp Green Card. This is the card issued after you marry on a K1, same thing.

To get your permanant Green Card, you have to wait three years. Now its possible for a woman to have a child, so she can get WIC, EBT Food, EBT Cash and Medicaid for both her and the child. She can then enroll in ESL classes and set herself up to stay. As I said this is hardly a cottage industry and what I just mentioned varies from state to state. California just happens to be pretty progressive on this stuff. That's what my friend did, minus having a child. She works for a company that sells adult toys and dvd's last time I talked to her and had been for a few years. She did work as a Molly Maid and some other jobs I know good and well no American especially White or Black American would be caught doing...

The known cases of what I just said can be counted on one hand (in the 1-5 thousands) and often investigated by the INS. Most women where the marriage doesn't work out, often times returns to her home country where she resumes her life like nothing happen. If you have a good case for miss deeds you can have her deported as well.

As I said only an ill-informed fool lets it get that far without any action on his part.
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