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Postby publicduende » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:20 pm

WPO wrote:I have no sympathy for pua either. To me they're full of garbage. What's ironic is the fact american girls/women always end up with them. Therefore, I can't believe a word that comes out of an american girl/women's mouth. They're hypocrites who constantly contradict themselves.

I've also heard roosh pointing out some downsides about other countries. Well hell! Women in other countries don't go for that BS that works in america. That bad boy crap doesn't go anywhere overseas. The only downside is the language difference (which I am more than willing to learn). If you're a bad boy by nature, then going overseas won't be as heavenly as you'd think, simply because foreign women typically go for niceguys. Yes, the dating scene will be a lot easier for guys like roosh, also. BUT, unlike american women who will choose the badboy/a$$hole over the niceguy, the foreigner will choose the niceguy over the badboy/a$$hole. This being said, Roosh's "observations" are a little skewed.


Absolutely spot on the fact that most those PUA techniques won't work with foreign girls, if anything because much of the (alleged) NLP power of those craftily engineered lines will be lost in translation. I have been in the UK on and off since 1998 and still have hits and misses with conveying a particular tone to my words: humour, irony, sarcasm, assertiveness. In fact, with women, I found that quite the opposite is true: girls absolutely adore that "lost boy" attitude, with a limited vocabulary and clumsy verbal approaches that deeply contrast with the direct, strongly assertive body language that goes straight to the point. I have never been so good with that attitude, as I was always looking for some sort of sophisticated intellectual connection in order to woo the girl. Nonetheless, in my time in London bars and clubs I have seen bucketloads of Italian (and sometimes French and Spanish) studs scoring Brit girls and tourists like crazy by behaving precisely like that.

About foreign women choosing nice guys over bad boys, by my experience I can say it's also a matter of age. In places like Colombia, for instance, girls know they have a limited time window to (discreetly) play with the opposite sex. The sexual stage is set on their Quinceañera (15th birthday), when even they parents start recognising them as sexual beings (and show a lot more common sense than some other less Catholic countries) and goes only until their early twenties. Within this time window, anything goes: never-ending romance with a childhood sweetheart, toilet shags after a bout of reggueton and a bottle of aguardiente, the rich family kid in his bedroom, or even a narconiño in his daddy's royal palace. Some of them get pregnant and screw up big time, most of them survive the bootcamp and come out the other end sexually pretty mature and with some clear idea of what kind of man they're looking for. By the time they're 24 and 25, together with their degrees or first work experience, they are already pretty mature and know what to do with their love life. Unless they have turned into nymphos or been badly burned, they usually look for a prospective husband, a nice guy from a good family, a good job and good lifestyle prospects.

I have read both Roosh and Maverick complaining about how hard to get girls from Bogota and Medellin are. Well, that's obvious: they mostly tried to approach single girls in their late twenties to thirties, for whom the average-looking gringo isn't but a pretentious, passing comet.
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Postby Andrewww » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:10 am

PUA is the biggest scam out there. With women in everywhere it's a numbers game. If you go out every night and approach 20 women you're likely to find someone to come home with you after a while.

The questions is: do you want quantity or quality ? Putting on the bad boy attitude doesn't get you quality women, only immature monkeys. You're better off paying an escort than paying money for PUA courses.
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Postby zacb » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:03 am

I agree with the previous poster. I may be wrong, but to me acting like a jackass just to pick up a women seems like following the crowd. Thats alright, I'll stay up here on higher ground.
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Postby WuFan » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:43 pm

The only thing that determines your success with women is your looks.

Personality has absolutely nothing to do with getting women.
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Postby jamesbond » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:52 pm

WuFan wrote:The only thing that determines your success with women is your looks.

Personality has absolutely nothing to do with getting women.

Come on, this guy is fat and ugly and look at the hot chick he is with!

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(I know this picture is fake, she isn't really dating him but it makes for a funny picture of a fat ugly dude with a hot chick). :D
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Postby WPO » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:20 am

publicduende wrote:
WPO wrote:I have no sympathy for pua either. To me they're full of garbage. What's ironic is the fact american girls/women always end up with them. Therefore, I can't believe a word that comes out of an american girl/women's mouth. They're hypocrites who constantly contradict themselves.

I've also heard roosh pointing out some downsides about other countries. Well hell! Women in other countries don't go for that BS that works in america. That bad boy crap doesn't go anywhere overseas. The only downside is the language difference (which I am more than willing to learn). If you're a bad boy by nature, then going overseas won't be as heavenly as you'd think, simply because foreign women typically go for niceguys. Yes, the dating scene will be a lot easier for guys like roosh, also. BUT, unlike american women who will choose the badboy/a$$hole over the niceguy, the foreigner will choose the niceguy over the badboy/a$$hole. This being said, Roosh's "observations" are a little skewed.




About foreign women choosing nice guys over bad boys, by my experience I can say it's also a matter of age. In places like Colombia, for instance, girls know they have a limited time window to (discreetly) play with the opposite sex. The sexual stage is set on their Quinceañera (15th birthday), when even they parents start recognising them as sexual beings (and show a lot more common sense than some other less Catholic countries) and goes only until their early twenties. Within this time window, anything goes: never-ending romance with a childhood sweetheart, toilet shags after a bout of reggueton and a bottle of aguardiente, the rich family kid in his bedroom, or even a narconiño in his daddy's royal palace. Some of them get pregnant and screw up big time, most of them survive the bootcamp and come out the other end sexually pretty mature and with some clear idea of what kind of man they're looking for. By the time they're 24 and 25, together with their degrees or first work experience, they are already pretty mature and know what to do with their love life. Unless they have turned into nymphos or been badly burned, they usually look for a prospective husband, a nice guy from a good family, a good job and good lifestyle prospects.

I have read both Roosh and Maverick complaining about how hard to get girls from Bogota and Medellin are. Well, that's obvious: they mostly tried to approach single girls in their late twenties to thirties, for whom the average-looking gringo isn't but a pretentious, passing comet.


Foreign women don't usually give a rat's a$$ about age. 50 year old men hook up with 19 - 25 year old foreigners all the time. America is the only country that is notorious where women look at age. Unlike american women - who will turn you down regardless of being built like a brick $hit house, kind, intelligent and hung like a horse - Foreigners don't give a damn. Just as long as you're kind, sweet and true.

btw the UK is a bad example. They have the 3rd worse girls/women in the world (canada being the 2nd worse). Roosh is a pua who approaches all women the same. You'll notice how his luck runs out in the non-anglo countries. Anglo women scarf that badboy crap up, but it doesn't do well elsewhere. Granted he does get lucky at times (remember non-anglos aren't impossible, unappreciative a$$holes), BUT granted if there's a nice guy around, there would be no contest who lands the girl. Just like american women can look through you, so can foreigners... except the foreigner won't kick you to the curb for the badboy/a$$hole.
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Postby WPO » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:39 am

jamesbond:

classic example of how the brazilians that attend the gym I work at look. Some slightly darker and some slightly lighter. The pure brazilians will speak to anyone as they are friendly. The americanized are as stuck up as the girls (19 - 25) who work the front desk. There are different levels of americanized though. Some are slighly puggy but still friendly. Some are more comfortable with other brazilians as they also speak portuguese. And of course there are the ones who only speak to you if they have a question about something or someone. They're fine and have nice bodies, but just as much of a badboy loving a$$hole as any highschool/college girl we've ever met. The pure and americanized are obvious to tell apart. The pure are either married or have marriage on their minds. The pure are still single and are seen with their cell phones in their face texting away. This being said, both the pure and americanized brazilians have one thing in common (believe it or not): they'd never be caught hanging with a dude like the one in that picture. The pure brazilians would speak to him because that's who they are and how they are. The americanized brazilians would avoid him like a rabid wolverine.
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Why are American men usually so clueless about foreign women

Postby OutWest » Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:47 am

publicduende wrote:
WPO wrote:I have no sympathy for pua either. To me they're full of garbage. What's ironic is the fact american girls/women always end up with them. Therefore, I can't believe a word that comes out of an american girl/women's mouth. They're hypocrites who constantly contradict themselves.

I've also heard roosh pointing out some downsides about other countries. Well hell! Women in other countries don't go for that BS that works in america. That bad boy crap doesn't go anywhere overseas. The only downside is the language difference (which I am more than willing to learn). If you're a bad boy by nature, then going overseas won't be as heavenly as you'd think, simply because foreign women typically go for niceguys. Yes, the dating scene will be a lot easier for guys like roosh, also. BUT, unlike american women who will choose the badboy/a$$hole over the niceguy, the foreigner will choose the niceguy over the badboy/a$$hole. This being said, Roosh's "observations" are a little skewed.


Absolutely spot on the fact that most those PUA techniques won't work with foreign girls, if anything because much of the (alleged) NLP power of those craftily engineered lines will be lost in translation. I have been in the UK on and off since 1998 and still have hits and misses with conveying a particular tone to my words: humour, irony, sarcasm, assertiveness. In fact, with women, I found that quite the opposite is true: girls absolutely adore that "lost boy" attitude, with a limited vocabulary and clumsy verbal approaches that deeply contrast with the direct, strongly assertive body language that goes straight to the point. I have never been so good with that attitude, as I was always looking for some sort of sophisticated intellectual connection in order to woo the girl. Nonetheless, in my time in London bars and clubs I have seen bucketloads of Italian (and sometimes French and Spanish) studs scoring Brit girls and tourists like crazy by behaving precisely like that.

About foreign women choosing nice guys over bad boys, by my experience I can say it's also a matter of age. In places like Colombia, for instance, girls know they have a limited time window to (discreetly) play with the opposite sex. The sexual stage is set on their Quinceañera (15th birthday), when even they parents start recognising them as sexual beings (and show a lot more common sense than some other less Catholic countries) and goes only until their early twenties. Within this time window, anything goes: never-ending romance with a childhood sweetheart, toilet shags after a bout of reggueton and a bottle of aguardiente, the rich family kid in his bedroom, or even a narconiño in his daddy's royal palace. Some of them get pregnant and screw up big time, most of them survive the bootcamp and come out the other end sexually pretty mature and with some clear idea of what kind of man they're looking for. By the time they're 24 and 25, together with their degrees or first work experience, they are already pretty mature and know what to do with their love life. Unless they have turned into nymphos or been badly burned, they usually look for a prospective husband, a nice guy from a good family, a good job and good lifestyle prospects.

I have read both Roosh and Maverick complaining about how hard to get girls from Bogota and Medellin are. Well, that's obvious: they mostly tried to approach single girls in their late twenties to thirties, for whom the average-looking gringo isn't but a pretentious, passing comet.



I have seen that all the time in South American and Asia. So many American men go abroad and seem so surprised when local girls do not offer themselves up as free whores during their stay there. There is the appalling lack of insight into social context. I have nearly given up trying to convince some of the American men I know to pull their head out of their ass and start paying attention.

So many American men somehow think that they can take the same narrow ideas and techniques of US life and apply them abroad.
They use terms like "dating" and "picking up" girls. Typically they show an appalling lack of knowledge and respect for local courtship
traditions.

I remember when I lived in Guatemala, I ran into a cluster of young American athletes who had a lovely girl from Italy at their table.
These fellows were handsome and athletic, and by that time I was starting to look a bit like the weather-beaten warrior I was, but at any rate they invited me over to their table. After about an hour of banter and innuendo, these guys finally figured out that none of them were going to get lucky with her, so they dismissed themselves to go play some basketball, leaving me with the 24-year old blonde Italian girl with crystal blue eyes who would look me right in the eyes when she talked. We talked at length about her family, and her university- she was getting an master's degree in social work as I recall, from a university in northern Italy.We talked for three hours and it seemed like a minute. I heard some music outside on the Plaza and went outside to check it out for a minute. In less than 5 minutes I was back with a mariachi band that totally got into the moment and serenaded her like crazy.

I told her I had a studio nearby and that I could cook...with decent food in the fridge and some good bottles of wine in waiting.
I made up a decent pesto and she cooked up some good pastas...we drank too much and talked till well past midnight when she finally fell asleep on the sofa ...so I retreated to my rack and in the wee hours I realized that she was snuggled up beside me...

Meanwhile. back at the basketball court, some American jocks snipe about the snooty Italian girl they met earlier...LOL

Well that was not the end of it- we spend most of the next few months together, and to make it short, I would mostly likely have married that girl had not cruel fate intervened...and THAT is another story in itself...

Her memory hurts a bit still and makes me wonder where she is now...


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Re: Why are American men usually so clueless about foreign w

Postby WPO » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:35 am

OutWest wrote:
publicduende wrote:
WPO wrote:I have no sympathy for pua either. To me they're full of garbage. What's ironic is the fact american girls/women always end up with them. Therefore, I can't believe a word that comes out of an american girl/women's mouth. They're hypocrites who constantly contradict themselves.

I've also heard roosh pointing out some downsides about other countries. Well hell! Women in other countries don't go for that BS that works in america. That bad boy crap doesn't go anywhere overseas. The only downside is the language difference (which I am more than willing to learn). If you're a bad boy by nature, then going overseas won't be as heavenly as you'd think, simply because foreign women typically go for niceguys. Yes, the dating scene will be a lot easier for guys like roosh, also. BUT, unlike american women who will choose the badboy/a$$hole over the niceguy, the foreigner will choose the niceguy over the badboy/a$$hole. This being said, Roosh's "observations" are a little skewed.


Absolutely spot on the fact that most those PUA techniques won't work with foreign girls, if anything because much of the (alleged) NLP power of those craftily engineered lines will be lost in translation. I have been in the UK on and off since 1998 and still have hits and misses with conveying a particular tone to my words: humour, irony, sarcasm, assertiveness. In fact, with women, I found that quite the opposite is true: girls absolutely adore that "lost boy" attitude, with a limited vocabulary and clumsy verbal approaches that deeply contrast with the direct, strongly assertive body language that goes straight to the point. I have never been so good with that attitude, as I was always looking for some sort of sophisticated intellectual connection in order to woo the girl. Nonetheless, in my time in London bars and clubs I have seen bucketloads of Italian (and sometimes French and Spanish) studs scoring Brit girls and tourists like crazy by behaving precisely like that.

About foreign women choosing nice guys over bad boys, by my experience I can say it's also a matter of age. In places like Colombia, for instance, girls know they have a limited time window to (discreetly) play with the opposite sex. The sexual stage is set on their Quinceañera (15th birthday), when even they parents start recognising them as sexual beings (and show a lot more common sense than some other less Catholic countries) and goes only until their early twenties. Within this time window, anything goes: never-ending romance with a childhood sweetheart, toilet shags after a bout of reggueton and a bottle of aguardiente, the rich family kid in his bedroom, or even a narconiño in his daddy's royal palace. Some of them get pregnant and screw up big time, most of them survive the bootcamp and come out the other end sexually pretty mature and with some clear idea of what kind of man they're looking for. By the time they're 24 and 25, together with their degrees or first work experience, they are already pretty mature and know what to do with their love life. Unless they have turned into nymphos or been badly burned, they usually look for a prospective husband, a nice guy from a good family, a good job and good lifestyle prospects.

I have read both Roosh and Maverick complaining about how hard to get girls from Bogota and Medellin are. Well, that's obvious: they mostly tried to approach single girls in their late twenties to thirties, for whom the average-looking gringo isn't but a pretentious, passing comet.



So many American men somehow think that they can take the same narrow ideas and techniques of US life and apply them abroad.



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best quote in this entire thread. Since the typical western mindset cannot adapt, it stays stuck in the mud and assumes all women over the world are the same. HUGE MISTAKE. You must understand one thing once overseas: You are NOT in america anymore! Guys like Roosh and Devilsadvocate (a full of crap blogger on these threads) fails to understand that. At least roosh can tell the difference.
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Postby mand38 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:54 pm

BS, getting laid is US is same as in any other country.
It is up to person: there are men who can land one night stands anytime and everywhere and there are men who can't and that's it
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Postby anamericaninbangkok » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:55 pm

The_Hero_of_Men wrote:I'm just curious, though (and I'm saying this in the context of this article, because I have asked this before): if Western women and their beta-white knight-mangina-simp-Captain-Save-A-Ho-wannabe compadres really feel that guys like us who dare to search overseas for love or sex are just RANK LOSERS, then why do they feel the need to attempt to castigate and shame us so strongly? I feel that they know that deep down, every man that they lose to foreign women, threatens their power base. Their power base being us men. Men who are willing to line up for blocks just to have a chance to sniff an American woman's soiled panties.


The less you give a shit what people think, or if you get laid, the easier it gets. They can talk all the shit they want, I don't care.
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Postby Maverick » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:26 pm

mand38 wrote:BS, getting laid is US is same as in any other country.
It is up to person: there are men who can land one night stands anytime and everywhere and there are men who can't and that's it


+1

It's not too difficult to get one night stands here in the US. Just go to a bar and put in some work.

Anything more than that is like pulling teeth though. I've just been getting back into dating over the past month and it's extremely unpleasant. To be successful here, you have to either be a sociopath or become one. American women (and foreign ones that have adapted to this society) are THAT difficult to deal with.

So if you just want to get laid a few times a month, stay here. If you want to get married to a decent woman, go abroad.
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Postby have2fly » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:26 pm

I have seen that all the time in South American and Asia. So many American men go abroad and seem so surprised when local girls do not offer themselves up as free whores during their stay there. There is the appalling lack of insight into social context. I have nearly given up trying to convince some of the American men I know to pull their head out of their a** and start paying attention.

So many American men somehow think that they can take the same narrow ideas and techniques of US life and apply them abroad.
They use terms like "dating" and "picking up" girls. Typically they show an appalling lack of knowledge and respect for local courtship
traditions.

I remember when I lived in Guatemala, I ran into a cluster of young American athletes who had a lovely girl from Italy at their table.
These fellows were handsome and athletic, and by that time I was starting to look a bit like the weather-beaten warrior I was, but at any rate they invited me over to their table. After about an hour of banter and innuendo, these guys finally figured out that none of them were going to get lucky with her, so they dismissed themselves to go play some basketball, leaving me with the 24-year old blonde Italian girl with crystal blue eyes who would look me right in the eyes when she talked. We talked at length about her family, and her university- she was getting an master's degree in social work as I recall, from a university in northern Italy.We talked for three hours and it seemed like a minute. I heard some music outside on the Plaza and went outside to check it out for a minute. In less than 5 minutes I was back with a mariachi band that totally got into the moment and serenaded her like crazy.

I told her I had a studio nearby and that I could cook...with decent food in the fridge and some good bottles of wine in waiting.
I made up a decent pesto and she cooked up some good pastas...we drank too much and talked till well past midnight when she finally fell asleep on the sofa ...so I retreated to my rack and in the wee hours I realized that she was snuggled up beside me...

Meanwhile. back at the basketball court, some American jocks snipe about the snooty Italian girl they met earlier...LOL

Well that was not the end of it- we spend most of the next few months together, and to make it short, I would mostly likely have married that girl had not cruel fate intervened...and THAT is another story in itself...

Her memory hurts a bit still and makes me wonder where she is now...


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^^^ THAT IS GOLD! Exactly what I notice about American guys abroad! They think shallow stupid crap will work on all women all around the world and that all women need to be negged and bantered. WRONG! The other thing is that those guys themselves are probably watching Jersey Shore and behave like little kids. Are American men sophisticated and cultured??? Not at all, very few actually are.

Outwest, wonderful post. Respect for you my friend. I would have done the same thing and I've done it many times. When I hang out with expats they go crazy on how I meet a local girl and make out with her in 10 minutes. Done it last weekend :) Dudes should start learning the culture. If you don't invest anything, you won't have any income obviously. This rule works abroad like a charm. Learn the language, learn the culture, learn traditions and ways of behavior. It's not that damn hard!
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Postby mand38 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:58 pm

Maverick wrote:
mand38 wrote:BS, getting laid is US is same as in any other country.
It is up to person: there are men who can land one night stands anytime and everywhere and there are men who can't and that's it


+1

It's not too difficult to get one night stands here in the US. Just go to a bar and put in some work.

Anything more than that is like pulling teeth though. I've just been getting back into dating over the past month and it's extremely unpleasant. To be successful here, you have to either be a sociopath or become one. American women (and foreign ones that have adapted to this society) are THAT difficult to deal with.

So if you just want to get laid a few times a month, stay here. If you want to get married to a decent woman, go abroad.


Exactly what I wanted to say! so "I am signing this" :)
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Postby SilverEnergy » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:47 am

It's a fact that if you want to date American women with no problem, you have to have a certain income and there's no way around that.

If you're not building your wealth to the satisfaction of American women, you can pretty much forget it.

Your only option will be to go overseas because American women make the most money of any women in the world and are looking for men with a comparable or higher income.

It's just the way it works.
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