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Postby OutWest » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:39 am

xiongmao wrote:Only Americans need cars. Us Brits have trains and buses - I don't have a car and I save $$$$ each month as a result (££££ rather).


I don't know how much you have traveled in the states, but the smug assertion that "We sophisticated Brits have public transportation."
does not fly many places, you simply cannot compare densely populated England with many other places. My home state in the USA is Arizona. Arizona has twice the land area of all of England with a population that is much smaller than London. The county I have property in is about 20 times the size of London and has only 70k people in the entire county...not a very likely environment for high cost public transportation projects.

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Postby Taco » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:39 am

Technically, its not a recession its a depression, there just cooking the books to keep everyone calm. Keep watching CNN business news if you like living in a fantasy world. However, the day of reckoning is fast approaching, you should start preparing now.

Zero percent interest rates means the US dollar is worth $0.00 If you look at a historical gold chart you'll notice the price of gold is around $1800/oz.(resistance) and shows no signs of another pullback. Currently, everyone is just waiting for a huge breakout to the upside which could happen any time in the next few months.

Four Main Things People Invest In

1. Real Estate Market - screwed, bubble burst in 2008
2. Stock Market - screwed, bubble burst in 2000
3. Western women - screwed, bubble burst in 1960
4. Gold and Silver - positive growth forecast, one of the few things worth buying right now
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Postby jamesbond » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:55 am

Taco wrote:Technically, its not a recession its a depression, there just cooking the books to keep everyone calm.

Your right, the Obama administration is lying to the american people. It's funny how the unemployment rate dropped "unexpectedly" to 7.8% in September just weeks before the presidential election.

What the Obama administration is not telling the american people, is that the reason why it dropped to 7.8% is because you had hundreds of thousands of people who have stopped looking for work. If you stop looking for work, you are no longer counted as being unemployed.

I can't wait until November 6, when hopefully we will elect someone who knows how to create jobs and get the economy moving again. America can't afford another four years of this failed presidency.

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Postby Jester » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:55 pm

tom wrote:Price.....Country.............Pain Rank
$10.12...Norway......................#52
$9.41....Turkey........................#7
$9.28....Israel..........................#31
$8.61....Hong Kong.................#35
$8.26....Netherlands...............#41
$8.20....Denmark...................#47
$8.15....Italy............................#34
$8.14....Sweden......................#48
$7.92....Greece.......................#26
$7.87....United Kingdom.........#37
$7.79....France.......................#39
$7.77....Belgium.....................#42
$7.74....Germany....................#40
$7.72....Portugal.....................#23
$7.66....Switzerland................#53
$7.59....Finland.......................#45
$7.34....Ireland........................#44
$7.15....Japan.........................#46
$7.12....South Korea..............#30
$6.93....Slovakia.....................#21
$6.92....Brazil..........................#13
$6.79....Hungary.....................#15
$6.60....Malta..........................#27
$6.57....Slovenia.....................#32
$6.55....New Zealand............#43
$6.49....Austria.......................#49
$6.47....Spain.........................#36
$6.46....Czech Republic.........#25
$6.41....Australia.....................#54
$6.38....Luxembourg..............#56
$6.32....Lithuania....................#18
$6.15....Poland.......................#19
$6.13....Chile...........................#22
$6.12....Bulgaria......................#6
$6.08....Latvia.........................#17
$6.08....Singapore...................#50
$5.96....Colombia....................#10
$5.86....Cyprus.......................#38
$5.82....Argentina....................#16
$5.80....Estonia......................#24
$5.71....Romania....................#11
$5.46....Canada......................#51
$5.44....India...........................#1
$5.30....South Africa...............#12
$4.89....China..........................#8
$4.51....Thailand.....................#9
$4.42....Philippines.................#3
$3.85....Indonesia...................#5
$3.75....Russia.......................#33
$3.75....United States.............#55
$3.55....Pakistan.......................#2
$3.24....Mexico........................#29
$3.23....Malaysia.....................#28
$2.80....Iran.............................#20
$2.32....Nigeria........................#4
$1.89....United Arab Emirates..#57
$1.73....Egypt..........................#14
$0.89....Kuwait........................#59
$0.61....Saudi Arabia..............#58
$0.09....Venezuela..................#60


Very interesting info.

What is the source?
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Postby Jester » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:28 pm

xiongmao wrote:you can make money by being a token Westerner in adverts, movies etc.


I've heard of this.

Do you know what cities in Asia specifically that the work would be in?
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Postby Jester » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:37 pm

Cornfed wrote:
tom wrote:"One of the costly things have been affirmative action with all the litigation and liability cost and risk. Companies deal with this by putting most operational components overseas. Oddly this has done just what was wanted, diversity. Just it's not being done in America."

The idea is if cost and risk get too high companies will if they can shift to lower cost and risk options. If a company goes overseas to avoid the cost and risk of affirmative action, this may actually produce a more racial diverse workforce, it just wont be in America.

It is not just the litigation costs, it is also that AA groups like women and blacks are mostly incapable of human reason and so suck at a lot of the jobs they are given. Overseas companies can hire actual competent human beings.

Jimcrow is dead. Slavery is alive and well it just has a different name now and few people recognize it. And no you do not deserve reparations for something that happened to your great great great grandfather.

Far from being paid reparations, blacks should repay the rest of America for all the damage they have caused and then GTFO. Given that they were only there as pets and livestock, they should have been removed (as Lincoln wanted) when they were no longer required, not simply turned loose and allowed to wreak havoc. In any case the slaves essentially had guaranteed lifetime employment. Many people would kill for that. The idea that their descendants should be compensated because they enjoyed such a privilege is ridiculous.

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Postby djfourmoney » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:12 pm

Taco wrote:Technically, its not a recession its a depression, there just cooking the books to keep everyone calm. Keep watching CNN business news if you like living in a fantasy world. However, the day of reckoning is fast approaching, you should start preparing now.

Zero percent interest rates means the US dollar is worth $0.00 If you look at a historical gold chart you'll notice the price of gold is around $1800/oz.(resistance) and shows no signs of another pullback. Currently, everyone is just waiting for a huge breakout to the upside which could happen any time in the next few months.

Four Main Things People Invest In

1. Real Estate Market - screwed, bubble burst in 2008
2. Stock Market - screwed, bubble burst in 2000
3. Western women - screwed, bubble burst in 1960
4. Gold and Silver - positive growth forecast, one of the few things worth buying right now


Yep and I have 2 oz of Silver, I would buy more but I've had to keep my parents afloat...
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Postby djfourmoney » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:14 pm

Jester wrote:
tom wrote:Price.....Country.............Pain Rank
$10.12...Norway......................#52
$9.41....Turkey........................#7
$9.28....Israel..........................#31
$8.61....Hong Kong.................#35
$8.26....Netherlands...............#41
$8.20....Denmark...................#47
$8.15....Italy............................#34
$8.14....Sweden......................#48
$7.92....Greece.......................#26
$7.87....United Kingdom.........#37
$7.79....France.......................#39
$7.77....Belgium.....................#42
$7.74....Germany....................#40
$7.72....Portugal.....................#23
$7.66....Switzerland................#53
$7.59....Finland.......................#45
$7.34....Ireland........................#44
$7.15....Japan.........................#46
$7.12....South Korea..............#30
$6.93....Slovakia.....................#21
$6.92....Brazil..........................#13
$6.79....Hungary.....................#15
$6.60....Malta..........................#27
$6.57....Slovenia.....................#32
$6.55....New Zealand............#43
$6.49....Austria.......................#49
$6.47....Spain.........................#36
$6.46....Czech Republic.........#25
$6.41....Australia.....................#54
$6.38....Luxembourg..............#56
$6.32....Lithuania....................#18
$6.15....Poland.......................#19
$6.13....Chile...........................#22
$6.12....Bulgaria......................#6
$6.08....Latvia.........................#17
$6.08....Singapore...................#50
$5.96....Colombia....................#10
$5.86....Cyprus.......................#38
$5.82....Argentina....................#16
$5.80....Estonia......................#24
$5.71....Romania....................#11
$5.46....Canada......................#51
$5.44....India...........................#1
$5.30....South Africa...............#12
$4.89....China..........................#8
$4.51....Thailand.....................#9
$4.42....Philippines.................#3
$3.85....Indonesia...................#5
$3.75....Russia.......................#33
$3.75....United States.............#55
$3.55....Pakistan.......................#2
$3.24....Mexico........................#29
$3.23....Malaysia.....................#28
$2.80....Iran.............................#20
$2.32....Nigeria........................#4
$1.89....United Arab Emirates..#57
$1.73....Egypt..........................#14
$0.89....Kuwait........................#59
$0.61....Saudi Arabia..............#58
$0.09....Venezuela..................#60


Very interesting info.

What is the source?


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Postby djfourmoney » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:17 pm

Jester wrote:
xiongmao wrote:you can make money by being a token Westerner in adverts, movies etc.


I've heard of this.

Do you know what cities in Asia specifically that the work would be in?


There is an episode of House Hunters: International where a brother from I think Michigan, high degree Black Belt is doing movies in Japan being the "Token Black Guy" and there is another brother in Japan that is featured in many adverts for one of the larger banks in Japan. He's popular, you can find his interview on You Tube.

I would say Japan is the place to be, it has a very mature media culture.
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Postby djfourmoney » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:24 pm

jamesbond wrote:
Taco wrote:Technically, its not a recession its a depression, there just cooking the books to keep everyone calm.

Your right, the Obama administration is lying to the american people. It's funny how the unemployment rate dropped "unexpectedly" to 7.8% in September just weeks before the presidential election.

What the Obama administration is not telling the american people, is that the reason why it dropped to 7.8% is because you had hundreds of thousands of people who have stopped looking for work. If you stop looking for work, you are no longer counted as being unemployed.

I can't wait until November 6, when hopefully we will elect someone who knows how to create jobs and get the economy moving again. America can't afford another four years of this failed presidency.

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The truth is there isn't much difference but given a choice its not Mittens. The country is already Right Wing, we don't need to go further right which is just what the last GOP administration did.

Obama didn't punish the bankers despite their screaming about Communism, Socialism and being akin to the Nazis.

Mittens election will result in no jobs created, at least not how you would think. The economic data he would have access too, would mean he would have to do something but it will be small scale much like Obama's stimulus.

They are not going to do what needs to be done, which is cut back the military drastically, raise taxes dramatically on the rich and not at 250K, not at 500K, but those making Million or more. Under Eisenhower it was 92%, it needs to go back to those levels and that will help remove money from politics.

It largely doesn't matter though, I will be leaving with no intention of coming back full time.
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Postby djfourmoney » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:33 pm

Cornfed wrote:
tom wrote:"One of the costly things have been affirmative action with all the litigation and liability cost and risk. Companies deal with this by putting most operational components overseas. Oddly this has done just what was wanted, diversity. Just it's not being done in America."

The idea is if cost and risk get too high companies will if they can shift to lower cost and risk options. If a company goes overseas to avoid the cost and risk of affirmative action, this may actually produce a more racial diverse workforce, it just wont be in America.

It is not just the litigation costs, it is also that AA groups like women and blacks are mostly incapable of human reason and so suck at a lot of the jobs they are given. Overseas companies can hire actual competent human beings.

Jimcrow is dead. Slavery is alive and well it just has a different name now and few people recognize it. And no you do not deserve reparations for something that happened to your great great great grandfather.

Far from being paid reparations, blacks should repay the rest of America for all the damage they have caused and then GTFO. Given that they were only there as pets and livestock, they should have been removed (as Lincoln wanted) when they were no longer required, not simply turned loose and allowed to wreak havoc. In any case the slaves essentially had guaranteed lifetime employment. Many people would kill for that. The idea that their descendants should be compensated because they enjoyed such a privilege is ridiculous.


Here again is that racist undercurrent that's on this web site. So you're saying this should have been a White Christian Nation from Day 1, when Jefferson and Franklin were very much against that idea?

The truth is the US pays reparations and allows immigration from countries it has destroyed with its war machine. This happen in WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War and the current Gulf War(s).

Its not even paid reparations to the Indians and they were here first. What asshole did you crawl out of? What's really funny is that you are likely the new school Libertarian and actually believe this stuff. Funny but William Block and other Libertarians actually agree with me and say Indians should given their land back and African-Americans should be paid reparations.

You benefits off your ancestors wealth/success, how come we can't benefit off our ancestors suffering for 300-400 years?

Winston remove this moron, while alternative thoughts are allowed here, saying Blacks should have to pay for the Slavery caused by Anglo Saxons is blaming the victim, classically racist and he needs the boot.
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Postby Jester » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:14 am

LOL American Blacks may be due some reparations...
But 300-400 years? No. Being enslaved was no doubt an awful experience. But living as a slave for decades or a century does not add up to 400 years.

And at some point - not right away - at some point, Blacks were indeed better off as Cornfed said. That has to be taken nto account. Check out info on Mt. Vernon. Washington's slaves had houses, skills, side businesses, etc. Bad, but not genocidal. Kind of like Soviet Union I suppose. Decades of hardship, but not as bad from 1970's on.

And reparations from whom? Blacks were ensleved by Arabs and Black Africans, transported by Spaniards, Portugese and English. Why not ask reparations from Nigeria and Ghana?

It's a tough issue. IMO Blacks have suffered unjustly more due to misplaced Southern anger at "Reconstruction", and at decay of Black businesses and families due to "integration" and due to "Great Society". Before these things, Blacks had more business owners, and decent neighborhoods. No? Ask some old folks.

No other Western Hemisphere country has had all this race drama. I'm not saying nothing is due. I'm saying that White-blaming is shallow.

Cornfed I think is referring to compensation for crime committted by Blacks. That's another topic.

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Postby Jester » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:10 am

djfourmoney wrote:
Jester wrote:
xiongmao wrote:you can make money by being a token Westerner in adverts, movies etc.


I've heard of this.

Do you know what cities in Asia specifically that the work would be in?


There is an episode of House Hunters: International where a brother from I think Michigan, high degree Black Belt is doing movies in Japan being the "Token Black Guy" and there is another brother in Japan that is featured in many adverts for one of the larger banks in Japan. He's popular, you can find his interview on You Tube.

I would say Japan is the place to be, it has a very mature media culture.


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NEVER thought about Japan as a place I could make a buck. Interesting. Plus maybe a residency, which is hard as f**k to get in Japan.

'Course i don't have that Ebony Uniqueness. But worth a shot.

Wish to God I had NOT listened to my ex-wife and HAD kept up wth the kick-boxing and boxing. No world champion, but I would have been beat up many times on film for sure - for good money. These days I will have to settle for playing an Evil Business Executive.

Japan would certainly allow my desire for... oh, nevermind.
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:16 am

Cornfed wrote:Far from being paid reparations, blacks should repay the rest of America for all the damage they have caused and then GTFO. Given that they were only there as pets and livestock, they should have been removed (as Lincoln wanted) when they were no longer required, not simply turned loose and allowed to wreak havoc. In any case the slaves essentially had guaranteed lifetime employment. Many people would kill for that. The idea that their descendants should be compensated because they enjoyed such a privilege is ridiculous.


1. What about all the damage Whites caused the content of Africa from the trans Atlantic slave trade that diminished the African manpower which lead to the direct result of Africa being underdeveloped today?

2. GTFO? Oh, so Europeans are native to America? Native Americans and Mexicans are the only people who have the right to tell anybody to leave.

3. Europeans were brought to America as slaves too, and from the conditions they worked under many died because they were overworked and poorly taken care of so I doubt anybody would "kill" to have a job like that.


They Were White & They Were Slaves (PDF): http://www.wnlibrary.net/Portabel%20Doc ... offman.pdf
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:35 am

Jester wrote:And reparations from whom? Blacks were ensleved by Arabs and Black Africans, transported by Spaniards, Portugese and English. Why not ask reparations from Nigeria and Ghana?

It's a tough issue. IMO Blacks have suffered unjustly more due to misplaced Southern anger at "Reconstruction", and at decay of Black businesses and families due to "integration" and due to "Great Society". Before these things, Blacks had more business owners, and decent neighborhoods.


This is all true. Little do most people know that Black Americans were at their best around the 1920's when they were separate and segregated living within their own thriving and prosperous independent communities. This is what they refer to as the Black Wall Street.


Black Wall Street 1921

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_72I5FA80s[/youtube]



Video Comments:

"White people destroying the Black Wall Street is affecting Blacks today. All races in America have formed their own communities ... whites, asians, hispanics, italians, polish, etc., but Blacks are still afraid to start their own business communities. Blacks are afraid of jealous white people burning down, killing them, and destroying their businesses. That is America for you, which is definitely not the land of the free."


"This was the KKK, these people were coming back from war and couldn't find jobs and just a town away were these "uppity black ni***ers living high on the hog, living better than them"??? So they needed an excuse to mobilize, arm themselves, kill, rob and pillage their land, prevent reprisal and keep them from ever recovering by refusing to pay damages. It was sanctioned murder & robbery!!!"
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