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Why the United States Will Fall to Second-World Status

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Why the United States Will Fall to Second-World Status

Postby designer » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:28 pm

1. The US Healthcare System is The Most Expensive in the World - Number one on the list of top ten reasons why the US will become a second world country is the US healthcare system. Living in Thailand where my tax rate is less than 15%, I still have access to one of the best and cheapest healthcare systems in the world. A recent EKG, chest x-rays, and 9 different types of blood work cost me less than $125. In the US, this would have been thousands. In fact, even if you have insurance in the US, the cost of healthcare is so high that many insurance companies now only cover a certain percentage of it. The insured has to pay the rest.

Living in a country that offers healthcare of the same high quality as the US (why do you think so many Americans are now coming to Thailand for medical tourism?), it's amazing to me that so many Americans put up with the most expensive healthcare system in the world.

2. Violence in US Schools is Some of the Worst In The World - Again, I live in Thailand where we don't have to worry about our kids being shot while they're attending school. In 2008, the United States had nine school shootings with 16 people being killed. So far, in 2009, the United States has had two school shootings already with two people being killed. There will likely be more by the end of the year. In Thailand, we've had none. In fact, in Thailand, we've only had one school shooting ever. In 2003. And that was as a result of the ongoing Muslim separatist violence in the south of Thailand. Since 2003, the United States has had 29 school shootings. If the US cannot get control of the violence in US schools, its kids are doomed.

3. The Unwiilingness of Americans to Learn From the Past - America got its butt kicked In Vietnam, Korea and now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unwilling to learn from its mistakes in the past (the Vietnam and Korean wars), the US government in all its arrogance went into Iraq and Afghanistan to 'solve the problems' and to 'make the world safe'. Fast forward eight years, and the world is a less safe place than it was before, with Iraq and Afghanistan still having the same instability as before and, in Iraq's case, even worse than when it was under Saddam Hussein.

4. US Kids Alive Today Will Be Paying Off the Iraq 'War' Debt for Another 50 Years - While the US doesn't have enough money to solve its burgeoning healthcare, violence, economic and social problems, it continues to pump money into Iraq to the tune of more than $200 million every day. Today's kids will be paying off this 'war' debt for the next 50 years, which means their ability to improve the lot of the United States is doomed before it even starts.

5. Racial Problems - The United States has always been a racist country and continues to be so. As African Americans and Latinos still continue to be discriminated against (just because the US has a black president, doesn't make it any less racist), racial problems in the US will continue to increase. With 30% of the US, in the last census, not being white, this number is set to increase drastically in the next few years. In fact, studies show that in many major US cities, by the year 2015, the majority of people living in those cities will be non-whites. As their numbers and strength grows, so will their power, power that will be used to fight back against racism, and even more social problems will come along with that.

6. America Has One of the Highest Tax Rates in the World - With many Americans now paying 50% or more of their salaries in income tax, (federal, state and local tax), and sales tax, many Americans are taxed beyond anything they can handle. As social situations get worse and as the war in Iraq drains the coffers even more, taxes are likely to increase (no matter what Obama says!).

With one of the highest tax rates in the world, American citizens still get less for their money than other developed countries where the rate is lower. In England, we get a nationalized healthcare system and decent public transportation. Many European countries have free or cheap healthcare, excellent public transportation systems, free university education and more. The US gets nothing for its high tax system - no free university education, no free healthcare system, and no good public transportation systems (except in very rare cities) - nothing free.

In Thailand, every citizen has the right to cheap healthcare - 30 baht per visit (that's the equivalent of 80 cents), yet our tax rate is between 7-25% for most people. The US, with a tax rate of almost 50%, provides nothing like this to its citizens.

7. The US Social Security System is Going Bankrupt - For most Americans under the age of 55, by the time they retire, the US Social Security system will probably not exist - not unless the government can come up with a plan to fix it, and fast. If you're not yet retired in the US, it would behoove you to start saving for retirement now. Because, by the time you retire, if you don't, you won't be able to retire as the US Social Security system will be bankrupt.

8. America's Arrogance When It Comes to Other Countries - Instead of trying to build good relationships with other countries, the US continues to play the 'bully on the block', constantly telling everyone else how to behave while continuing to do what they tell other countries not to do. When the US falls to second-world status, and it will, some of these countries will be the ones in control and, if they act anything like the US has done, it will be 'pay-back time'. The next few years should be spent in building bridges and making friends and allies, not in the failed policies of the past. The world is now truly global and, if the US can't play well with others, it will be the one suffering the consequences.

9. Americans Always Believe Everything American is Better - Living overseas, I've always been astounded by this, but not actually surprised. Over 80% of Americans don't even own a passport, so most of them have never left the US. If they had, they would see that many other countries are far-advanced to the US in many areas - healthcare, technology, living standards, social services, public transportation, environmental issues - on and on.

America should start to learn from other countries, where the standard of living is better, where people have more of their money left over after taxes, and where the government provides a social services net for those who are less fortunate. Not everything about America is better. Believe me. Instead of learning from what other countries are doing better, the US continues to pretend they're not. An attitude like that, the proverbial sticking your head in the sand, is a recipe for disaster, but Americans don't see it. Sad.

10. The US Education System Falls Short of the Rest of the Developed World - The United States has one of the worst education systems in the developed world, yet the government pumps more money into it than many other developed countries governments. American kids fall further and further behind on international testing standards and most science and math geniuses are now coming from Asia and not from the US (the US ranks below average in science and math understanding, behind every other developed country).

In 2008, the US only had a 77% graduation rate - at the bottom of the ladder when compared to other developed countries. As technological advances continue to rise in Asia, the Middle East and Europe, they will decline in the United States. If the US cannot get its failing education system improved, the rest of its problems will seem minor. The education system of a country and of its children is the backbone of the country. Children who are ill-educated and behind the rest of the world drag their country down with them.

It's not a foregone conclusion that this scenario will happen to the US. There is still time for change. Unfortunately, the US and the majority of Americans are likely to continue as they have for decades. Pretending they are still the best in the world and that it will continue to be so. This will be the number one reason why the US will fall to second world status. Because, in this case, ignorance will not equal bliss.


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Postby Anti-American » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:27 pm

Very true. Excellent article.
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Postby Ghost » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:37 pm

I agree, and I would add these to your list:

-The culture is dead. It's a consumerist, dog eat dog, feminist, misandrist, shithole of a culture. You want to go out and enjoy the American landscape? Well, too bad, you can't, now go to the shopping mall. It's an anti-social, techno-dystopia.

-The freedom thing is far overblown. It isn't the most un-free country in the world. I'm sure that dishonor belongs to someplace like North Korea or Zimbabwe. We can speak frely-ish and vote, but those things are hollow because the speech is all probably monitored now and the voting is only voting for preselected corporate-chosen candidates. And the U.S., especially since that day in September, has increasingly become an authoritarian "soft" police state, and no doubt it will become a"hard" police state and outright totalitarian as time goes on.
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Postby C.J. » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:05 pm

The US will fall to 3rd world status, guaranteed.

The economy will crumble under the terrible health care. And that's NOT including the Fukushima fallout.
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Postby S_Parc » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:42 pm

Well one thing's for certain, Medical Tourism is the future. Very soon, circa 2020, any non-emergency procedure will be priced out, where even an insured person's out-of-pocket liability will exceed their ability to get that procedure handled stateside.

Thus, you'll see Medical Tourism to not only low cost nations like Costa Rica or Thailand but also to first world places like Singapore, Korea, and Japan as insurers would rather cover a $15K hip replacement, in Singapore, over $80K for the same procedure stateside.
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Postby Anti-American » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:46 pm

Ghost wrote:I agree, and I would add these to your list:

-The culture is dead. It's a consumerist, dog eat dog, feminist, misandrist, shithole of a culture. You want to go out and enjoy the American landscape? Well, too bad, you can't, now go to the shopping mall. It's an anti-social, techno-dystopia.

-The freedom thing is far overblown. It isn't the most un-free country in the world. I'm sure that dishonor belongs to someplace like North Korea or Zimbabwe. We can speak frely-ish and vote, but those things are hollow because the speech is all probably monitored now and the voting is only voting for preselected corporate-chosen candidates. And the U.S., especially since that day in September, has increasingly become an authoritarian "soft" police state, and no doubt it will become a"hard" police state and outright totalitarian as time goes on.


+1

American culture is f***ed up.

Another thing I would like to add is law enforcement in the USA is backwards.
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Postby ben dover » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:01 am

Can't find a fault with your essay. Extremely accurate. I have several American friends and have always argued the point about health care. We the people pay taxes for four main purposes. Health. Education. Law enforcement. Infrastructure. Other than that, only interfere when asked. That is all.
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Postby targetguy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:28 am

8) The main problem is poverty worldwide and now the usa. Most immigrants for centurys are coming here for jobs. As was said on other forums the average monthly salary in many countries is less then 500 a month. The way realestate is collapseing here especially california and a possible dollar collapse many immigrants may leave and be better off in their home country. If it wasnt for this great imbalance of wages in healthcare and many other industries noone would go here with the high crime and many ghettos nationwide. I rarely see anyone from canada or austraila or europe who wants to go here. Only low wage foreign countries would like ot go here.
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Postby Taco » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:10 am

I disagree with the article, it won't take 50 yrs for the US to reach 2nd world status, its already there. Unfortunately, most people don't realize it. The points mentioned summarize the good news, the situation is far worse then most people want to admit.
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Postby ssjparris » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:19 am

halleluyah...
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Postby Anti-American » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:19 am

Taco wrote:I disagree with the article, it won't take 50 yrs for the US to reach 2nd world status, its already there. Unfortunately, most people don't realize it. The points mentioned summarize the good news, the situation is far worse then most people want to admit.


Good point. The USA is heading to 3rd world status.
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Postby Everdred » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:23 pm

The writer of this article is Cassandra James, a female American expat in Bangkok who also spent a number of years living in the U.K. I know this forum is mostly anti-American female, but Cassandra does have many articles on Yahoo! that give very good practical information on living in Bangkok and traveling around Thailand. Her articles have helped me quite a bit since I started living in Bangkok earlier this year.

I'm not even sure if Cassandra still lives in Thailand, and she hasn't written anything new for almost a year, but her stuff is definitely worth checking out if you're new to Bangkok or have future plans on moving to Bangkok. Most of her articles are about getting "off the beaten track" in Bangkok and Thailand, and there's also lots of tips about how to live more like a local and how to spend your money more effectively.

Her articles cover a span of four years (2007 - 2011). Here's a link to check out all of her articles on Yahoo!:

Cassandra James - Yahoo! Contributor Network

And here's an interesting story about a young British girl preparing to move to Bangkok, in which Cassandra assisted the British girl a bit (Cassandra chimes in at several different parts of the story):

Julia's Journey - Ajarn Guests
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Postby Cyrus » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:22 am

Everdred wrote:The writer of this article is Cassandra James, a female American expat in Bangkok who also spent a number of years living in the U.K. I know this forum is mostly anti-American female, but Cassandra does have many articles on Yahoo! that give very good practical information on living in Bangkok and traveling around Thailand. Her articles have helped me quite a bit since I started living in Bangkok earlier this year.

I'm not even sure if Cassandra still lives in Thailand, and she hasn't written anything new for almost a year, but her stuff is definitely worth checking out if you're new to Bangkok or have future plans on moving to Bangkok. Most of her articles are about getting "off the beaten track" in Bangkok and Thailand, and there's also lots of tips about how to live more like a local and how to spend your money more effectively.



First of all, I think it's shit that on this forum it's even necessary to explain that someone should be taken seriously despite being an American female. American culture is really bad for dating and relationships but American women are still among the brightest people in the world in terms of science and innovation and business etc.

Also America is a country of good people living in a bad system. Americans have a spirit of determination I've not seen anywhere else, but the country is among the most corrupt in the world right alongside African nations. Imagine America's potential with a corrected culture.

That being said I also live in Thailand right now, and agree 100% with the article. Same could be said if you live in Bangladesh, Laos, Philippines, Malaysia, etc. These countries SUCK for infrastructure (open sewage, anyone?) but have much better economic systems, less greed driven, etc.

If anyone in my family comes down with a medical condition I'll help get them over here to Siam ASAP

And of course the cultural problems are non existent. Women are still women, and if you're totally misogynistic-as I feel some people on this forum are- and hate all women because you were burned in the past, or whatever bullshit you're harboring, you won't really like it here--or anywhere. In fact, some of the women are even more predatory than Americans. You'll just start bitching about how Thai women are terrible next.

Yet by and large people are more compassionate / spiritual, and so meeting girls is much easier as people are more open minded and less afraid of outsiders (as Winston Wu discusses in his book). But you also have to be the same way yourself, or else you won't even be able to meet people here (believe me I've seen it... old farangs, bitter against the world, and wondering why no Thai woman can love them).

But if i wasn't an American I wouldn't be able to appreciate things everyone else takes for granted (healthcare, friendly people). So in that sense, I'm blessed.
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Re: Why the United States Will Fall to Second-World Status

Postby Jester » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:30 am

designer wrote:Unfortunately, the US and the majority of Americans are likely to continue as they have for decades. Pretending they are still the best in the world and that it will continue to be so. This will be the number one reason why the US will fall to second world status. Because, in this case, ignorance will not equal bliss.


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Postby skateboardstephen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:39 am

C.J. wrote:The US will fall to 3rd world status, guaranteed.

The economy will crumble under the terrible health care. And that's NOT including the Fukushima fallout.


How come no ones uses the dictionary definition of the terms 3rd world,2nd,and 1st?None of these terms have anything to do with the wealth of a country.These were terms coined post world war 2 according to alliances made with other countries after.I got pissed with some dumb ass American female calling countries 3rd world then i asked her to tell me what a 3rd world country is and she just stood there looking dumb.
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