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MGTOW and PUA Hate

Posted: December 7th, 2012, 2:28 am
by Banano
Whats up with these 2 militant movements,

All of them seem to be angry men fighting each other(especialy puahate.com) but they dont offer solution to the problem in a way
dating overseas or PUA does


WHat is their goal, they hate feminism, women, jews,media,believe in conspiracy theories, but no salvation?
Are they social outcasts who tried everything including pua but didnt work, tried foreign and failed...like steve hoca who joined them, he failed on all fronts the way I see it



Is there future for these movements, are they all gonna keep jacking off on porn , play video games and turn gay eventually



Women must be laughing at them




Please comment

Re: MGTOW and PUA Hate

Posted: December 7th, 2012, 2:39 am
by abcdavid01
Banano wrote:turn gay eventually
Insightful

Posted: December 7th, 2012, 3:41 am
by lavezzi
groups like these are simply chasing their own tails. they only wish to reinforce their own beleifs about diluted truth. they have not come to the point of seeing the bigger picture. take a look at reality for a moment. we are these weird creatures on a big rock floating through space. yet people live as if this is a completely normal thing. its not normal at all. in fact its completely insane. why beleive in conspiracies to make life interesting when youre already having the ultimate experience?

Posted: December 7th, 2012, 5:20 am
by Ghost
MGTOW is a good idea for men who wish to stay in the West. Or at least it is superior than participating in the system.

PUA is good for gaming corrupt females in the West. In my experience though it only really works for attractive men.

These things are really only tactics for defeated, hopeless men. Those who preach game, representing it as how things are supposed to be, are anti-men and pro-feminism.

Neither are solutions; they are coping tactics at best.

Posted: December 7th, 2012, 1:11 pm
by Teal Lantern
Ghost wrote:MGTOW is a good idea for men who wish to stay in the West. Or at least it is superior than participating in the system.

PUA is good for gaming corrupt females in the West. In my experience though it only really works for attractive men.

These things are really only tactics for defeated, hopeless men. Those who preach game, representing it as how things are supposed to be, are anti-men and pro-feminism.

Neither are solutions; they are coping tactics at best.
The best way to cope with a tornado is to get out of its way. PUAs are storm chasers.
PUAs are one false-rape accusation from becoming MGTOWers.... if they survive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... woman.html

http://thesun.mobi/thescottishsun/news/ ... html?mob=1

Posted: December 7th, 2012, 2:24 pm
by S_Parc
Teal Lantern wrote:The best way to cope with a tornado is to get out of its way. PUAs are storm chasers.
PUAs are one false-rape accusation from becoming MGTOWers.... if they survive.
What I'd seen was an angry, men-hating psycho b*tch, show up at the office, and make a huge scene with this co-worker of mine (he was banging her), in front of everyone including the Exec VPs.

Well ... his career there was effectively over. He was never invited to meetings again and was more of less ostracized. He'd left the firm a few months later.

So yes, pls avoid getting involved with AWs, esp if you want to maintain your standard of living.

Posted: December 7th, 2012, 10:14 pm
by Billy
puahate ist quite entertaining but mghow is very boring. there is no solution.

Posted: December 13th, 2012, 1:49 pm
by Banano
Men Going Their Own Way Forums. Statistics

Threads:10,727Posts:120,521 Members:1,282 Active Members:818


HA has only about few thousand members


How come all these anti feminism sites are not more popular among western men, seems like vast majority iof mens content with status quo

initially i thought mgtow was a bigger movement, in 10s of 000s, its disappointing to say the least

Posted: December 13th, 2012, 3:40 pm
by Teal Lantern
Banano wrote:Men Going Their Own Way Forums. Statistics

Threads:10,727Posts:120,521 Members:1,282 Active Members:818


HA has only about few thousand members


How come all these anti feminism sites are not more popular among western men, seems like vast majority iof mens content with status quo

initially i thought mgtow was a bigger movement, in 10s of 000s, its disappointing to say the least
Not everyone is going to stick their neck out and join a forum like that.
It's not politically correct and most people are going to keep their head down.
You'd run into the same problem trying to guess the number of expats based on the number of active HA posters.

Posted: December 14th, 2012, 2:07 pm
by Banano
Teal Lantern wrote:
Banano wrote:Men Going Their Own Way Forums. Statistics

Threads:10,727Posts:120,521 Members:1,282 Active Members:818


HA has only about few thousand members


How come all these anti feminism sites are not more popular among western men, seems like vast majority iof mens content with status quo

initially i thought mgtow was a bigger movement, in 10s of 000s, its disappointing to say the least
Not everyone is going to stick their neck out and join a forum like that.
It's not politically correct and most people are going to keep their head down.
You'd run into the same problem trying to guess the number of expats based on the number of active HA posters.

but still..less than 1000 active members and theres 150 mil men in US only,
i suspect mgtows ideas and philosophy is flop in itself, im prbbly memebr as i signed long time ago but i never go to their forum,
the way mgtows fight against feminism is pathetic, according to them we should just drop out, stop feeding the system, isolate yourself, find some hobby, avoid women and so on... but that stll doenst solve the core issue

it will end up like TFL unless they come up with something more excitin that will apeal to lot of men

mgtow doesnt offer salvation to its members, complining without action is waste of time.pua and dating abroad are at least trying

Posted: December 14th, 2012, 11:58 pm
by zboy1
Banano wrote:
Teal Lantern wrote:
Banano wrote:Men Going Their Own Way Forums. Statistics

Threads:10,727Posts:120,521 Members:1,282 Active Members:818


HA has only about few thousand members


How come all these anti feminism sites are not more popular among western men, seems like vast majority iof mens content with status quo

initially i thought mgtow was a bigger movement, in 10s of 000s, its disappointing to say the least
Not everyone is going to stick their neck out and join a forum like that.
It's not politically correct and most people are going to keep their head down.
You'd run into the same problem trying to guess the number of expats based on the number of active HA posters.

but still..less than 1000 active members and theres 150 mil men in US only,
i suspect mgtows ideas and philosophy is flop in itself, im prbbly memebr as i signed long time ago but i never go to their forum,
the way mgtows fight against feminism is pathetic, according to them we should just drop out, stop feeding the system, isolate yourself, find some hobby, avoid women and so on... but that stll doenst solve the core issue

it will end up like TFL unless they come up with something more excitin that will apeal to lot of men

mgtow doesnt offer salvation to its members, complining without action is waste of time.pua and dating abroad are at least trying
I browse through those two forums and the reason I'm not posting on them is that they offer no solutions to the problems of men and dating. People on MGTOW and TFL only wallow in self-pity and misery, while Puahate is just pointless complaining ad nauseam. At least, HA offers some concrete solutions and answers for men and is not a complete waste of time as the other two forums.

Posted: December 15th, 2012, 12:01 am
by Ghost
MGTOW doesn't offer anything in the bigger picture. However, I think it is only good for being in the West, and I agree with the core concept: do not involve yourself with western women. However, they also say do not get involved with any women, no matter where they are from. I'm a traditionalist type. American women can go to hell, but there are women from good cultures. And there is more freedom elsewhere as well. It is a tactic that any man make use of, but deciding to live your entire life isolated instead of trying to escape and build a life is essentially living for death. Some want to escape and are only MGTOW because of what country they are in. They could escape to Latin America or Asia and would all of a sudden slough it off because it had served its purpose.

PUA is worse because it invovles itself with American women, doesn't care about feminism (because having to game women is a tool of defeated, feminized men), and doesn't recognize that there are many countries in the world with much better women. I think PUA is the worst. Traditionalists cannot even make use of PUA, while at least MGTOW is good while in the West.

Posted: December 15th, 2012, 12:47 am
by Banano
pick-up-artist-forum.com
Total members 129239


puaforums.com
Statistics: Members: 112,245



no wonder seduction community gets more mainstream media atention , they have numbers, these are just 2 of many forums out there and seems to me they are growing ,
its safe to assume that lof of guys who go clubbing these days are into pua,

whats gonna happen when every single guy in the club becomes PUA ? Women will have to make a call based on something else as every single guy will be seduction expert and will get used to it,

1 ugly pua vs 1 male model pua...whos gonna win?

Re: MGTOW and PUA Hate

Posted: December 15th, 2012, 2:59 am
by Dragon
abcdavid01 wrote:
Banano wrote:turn gay eventually
Insightful
viewtopic.php?t=16971

Posted: December 15th, 2012, 3:08 am
by Dragon
You guys have to be careful because most of you have the benefit of hindsight. I think these movements are mostly due to a lack of information and experiences these guys have. Most of these guys are probably men who have never even gone out of the country or really experienced what another culture was like. I was lucky enough to live in "two worlds" early on, experiencing both traditional and modern culture so I caught on rather quickly that there are good women out there, just not many in the West. Even then, I know much more now than I did before thanks to Winston and his website.

David said it himself that before he knew of "happier abroad" he had planned to move to another state rather than another country. Once he learned more, his knowledge and horizons expanded and now his eyes are set over the ocean rather than across state lines.