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Postby Winston » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:23 pm

Did you hear that they are saying that the shooter was autistic? I guess now they are going to vilify people with autism. Geez.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:28 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ead_module

After reading more about it in that article, I realize even more I have to get out. I'm very similar to my father and expect any son of mine to be very similar to the two of us. So I think in 30 years from now if I were to start a family here I'd have a son with a very good chance of being Adam Lanza. Or at least dead from suicide. We're too resistant to brainwashing. Happier abroad is about much more than women. It's scary how much I can relate to what's written in that article.

Adam Lanza wasn't born a monster. They turned him into one.
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Postby Jackal » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:14 pm

OutWest wrote: That is the politically correct line...you mean amateurs, like in Afghanistan where they have stymied the US military and are just waiting for the US to leave so they can claim victory? Or the Syrian free army, poorly armed amateurs are beating Assad's military machine...

That is true, but are Americans who are not ex-military as tough as those people that you mentioned and are they willing to make the same sacrifices? I am highly skeptical about that, but I am certainly no expert on the US anymore, as I haven't been there in many years. I read articles like the "too fat to fight" article about how most men in the US are too fat to be able to join the military, so based on information like that, I have some doubts.
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Postby Jackal » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:24 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:Every teacher should have a gun in their desk along with mandatory training. Unfortunately, that will never happen because they're all liberal women.

That's no good because there are also lots of nutty teachers in America. If the policy you talked about were implemented, then we would have stories of teachers shooting students who just "looked suspicious." ("I thought he had a gun, but later it turned out it was a graphing calculator.") I don't trust the judgement of American teachers anymore than I trust the judgement of American students.

Perhaps a few armed security guards in American high schools might be a good idea, though.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:53 pm

Jackal wrote:
abcdavid01 wrote:Every teacher should have a gun in their desk along with mandatory training. Unfortunately, that will never happen because they're all liberal women.

That's no good because there are also lots of nutty teachers in America. If the policy you talked about were implemented, then we would have stories of teachers shooting students who just "looked suspicious." ("I thought he had a gun, but later it turned out it was a graphing calculator.") I don't trust the judgement of American teachers anymore than I trust the judgement of American students.

Perhaps a few armed security guards in American high schools might be a good idea, though.


Well yeah, the good teachers get fired here. America is screwed. What I suppose I mean is that we shouldn't have pansy ass teachers union garbage in the first place.
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Postby skateboardstephen » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:30 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:
OutWest wrote:
Maker55 wrote:No excuses for the shooters but....

We spend a lot of money on other things in America.

But we don't spend any time realizing the problems that men have.

We need to fix the job, educational and emotional well being of men.

Social isolation and extreme sexual repression for men never ends well.


Yes, the talking heads and politicians don't want to touch this, and it is the elephant in the room.
If they make guns impossible to get by canceling the second amendment, I would predict that the
products of the monster farm will vastly up the ante. For all the blather, guns are not a very efficient way
to commit murder. Then it will be such things as mass poisonings or bombings, with hundreds dead.
Chains and locks with cans of gasoline...hundreds will die at one time
and the monster farm will have taken it all to a new level.

Mark my word.

Outwest


Horrible to think about, but probably quite true.

This is a horrible tragedy and I agree with what everyone else said about the causes. I never entertained thoughts of school shootings, but I knew I was that kid. The genius outcast with severe social problems. If anyone were to shoot up the school, they'd have placed bets on me. The students and the teachers. How do you think a kid feels about that? They fear you and it builds up. In middle school my mom tried getting me to see school psychologists, but I refused and rebelled. Wanted to kill her and kept around hatred of her for years. Still do, but mostly now I just regard her as insignificant to my life. I was suicidal then too. In high school we had a substitute who gave us some busywork on CPR. So I filled out this worksheet satirically with everything not to do with CPR, how to suffocate people. Black humor to stay sane in a PC hell hole. So I got called to the principal a few days later and was suspended pending a meeting with a psychologist. My dad came and took me to one immediately; if he had scheduled one for a few days later I'd have likely refused and been expelled. My dad was angry, but he also thought what I wrote was funny. He understood, in a way, but perhaps not so intimately as I. He's at the age where even if he recognizes societal problems, and he does think it has gotten worse here since he was my age, he can just retire on the beach and forget about it all. I can't do that because I have to make a life and I want to start a family. So the next day I come in with my dad after the psychologist has found nothing wrong with me, but the principal tries to make me promise to never do it again. I refused because I could not in all honesty have promised that. So I left the room and my dad somehow convinced her to let me stay.

America is sterile. People like my mother and the principal and the psychologists don't view you as human. They think you're like a test subject to be feared. Kids need love, not fear. My mom's doing that with my dad now, having him read books by the latest experts and having him see psychologists. My dad's a criminal defense lawyer who works with deranged people all the time, so he knows way more about it than she does. Has anyone read Atlas Shrugged? Like Dr. Floyd Ferris. Anyway, my mother took my dad's guns away secretly and hid them from him. They've been having constant fighting about it for the past month. When my dad wasn't around and my older sister was home my mother tried to explain herself and asked our opinion. I told her dad ought to go to the Philippines and bang a girl half his age, solve his problems. I meant it too because as much as my dad and I believe in traditional marriage, my mother does not and is now abusing him. He owes her nothing. But of course my Feminist sister thinks I'm a misogynist. Called our dad an emotional abuser ffs.

So my mom tells dad my sister called me a misogynist and he asked me about it. I told him I'm only as much a misogynist as he is. So he says he regrets having married a cold, emotionless woman, and that I ought to find someone who only wants to give me kisses. So I tell him that's sexist, apparently. According to what all the experts say.

America's no place for men anymore.
Great post.America is no place for men and i can see this a lot clearer now.If only i had known about this 7 years ago.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:40 pm

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... s-talk-abo

Look at this. This blog post is spreading now about a woman who has a son like Lanza and the rest. I am tempted to write my own blog post, "I am Adam Lanza" and try to get it viral. We are just seeing this society for what it is and it is too much for us to handle. We have to change it or leave. I wouldn't trust a son of mine not to be f***ed up if I raised him here. What if my dad was never around and I had been raised by my mother alone? I might have been Adam Lanza.
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Postby manly5000 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:00 pm

skateboardstephen wrote:
abcdavid01 wrote:
OutWest wrote:
Maker55 wrote:No excuses for the shooters but....

We spend a lot of money on other things in America.

But we don't spend any time realizing the problems that men have.

We need to fix the job, educational and emotional well being of men.

Social isolation and extreme sexual repression for men never ends well.


Yes, the talking heads and politicians don't want to touch this, and it is the elephant in the room.
If they make guns impossible to get by canceling the second amendment, I would predict that the
products of the monster farm will vastly up the ante. For all the blather, guns are not a very efficient way
to commit murder. Then it will be such things as mass poisonings or bombings, with hundreds dead.
Chains and locks with cans of gasoline...hundreds will die at one time
and the monster farm will have taken it all to a new level.

Mark my word.

Outwest


Horrible to think about, but probably quite true.

This is a horrible tragedy and I agree with what everyone else said about the causes. I never entertained thoughts of school shootings, but I knew I was that kid. The genius outcast with severe social problems. If anyone were to shoot up the school, they'd have placed bets on me. The students and the teachers. How do you think a kid feels about that? They fear you and it builds up. In middle school my mom tried getting me to see school psychologists, but I refused and rebelled. Wanted to kill her and kept around hatred of her for years. Still do, but mostly now I just regard her as insignificant to my life. I was suicidal then too. In high school we had a substitute who gave us some busywork on CPR. So I filled out this worksheet satirically with everything not to do with CPR, how to suffocate people. Black humor to stay sane in a PC hell hole. So I got called to the principal a few days later and was suspended pending a meeting with a psychologist. My dad came and took me to one immediately; if he had scheduled one for a few days later I'd have likely refused and been expelled. My dad was angry, but he also thought what I wrote was funny. He understood, in a way, but perhaps not so intimately as I. He's at the age where even if he recognizes societal problems, and he does think it has gotten worse here since he was my age, he can just retire on the beach and forget about it all. I can't do that because I have to make a life and I want to start a family. So the next day I come in with my dad after the psychologist has found nothing wrong with me, but the principal tries to make me promise to never do it again. I refused because I could not in all honesty have promised that. So I left the room and my dad somehow convinced her to let me stay.

America is sterile. People like my mother and the principal and the psychologists don't view you as human. They think you're like a test subject to be feared. Kids need love, not fear. My mom's doing that with my dad now, having him read books by the latest experts and having him see psychologists. My dad's a criminal defense lawyer who works with deranged people all the time, so he knows way more about it than she does. Has anyone read Atlas Shrugged? Like Dr. Floyd Ferris. Anyway, my mother took my dad's guns away secretly and hid them from him. They've been having constant fighting about it for the past month. When my dad wasn't around and my older sister was home my mother tried to explain herself and asked our opinion. I told her dad ought to go to the Philippines and bang a girl half his age, solve his problems. I meant it too because as much as my dad and I believe in traditional marriage, my mother does not and is now abusing him. He owes her nothing. But of course my Feminist sister thinks I'm a misogynist. Called our dad an emotional abuser ffs.

So my mom tells dad my sister called me a misogynist and he asked me about it. I told him I'm only as much a misogynist as he is. So he says he regrets having married a cold, emotionless woman, and that I ought to find someone who only wants to give me kisses. So I tell him that's sexist, apparently. According to what all the experts say.

America's no place for men anymore.
Great post.America is no place for men and i can see this a lot clearer now.If only i had known about this 7 years ago.


Hey Stephen - now that you've been in-country for a bit do you feel that men are truly valued as men there? And that the women are truly women and not wanna-be-men with vajayjay's like they are in the West?
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Postby Cornfed » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:19 pm

Winston wrote:Did you hear that they are saying that the shooter was autistic? I guess now they are going to vilify people with autism. Geez.

Yup, young guys who would have been called "visionaries" 150 years ago and "gifted children" 40 years ago are now being diagnosed with various disorders for being less stupid than their stupid bimbo teachers. Once again, the main tragedy here is not that this guy went on a shooting rampage, but that he didn't select appropriate targets.
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Postby skateboardstephen » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:58 pm

manly5000 wrote:
skateboardstephen wrote:
abcdavid01 wrote:
OutWest wrote:
Maker55 wrote:No excuses for the shooters but....

We spend a lot of money on other things in America.

But we don't spend any time realizing the problems that men have.

We need to fix the job, educational and emotional well being of men.

Social isolation and extreme sexual repression for men never ends well.


Yes, the talking heads and politicians don't want to touch this, and it is the elephant in the room.
If they make guns impossible to get by canceling the second amendment, I would predict that the
products of the monster farm will vastly up the ante. For all the blather, guns are not a very efficient way
to commit murder. Then it will be such things as mass poisonings or bombings, with hundreds dead.
Chains and locks with cans of gasoline...hundreds will die at one time
and the monster farm will have taken it all to a new level.

Mark my word.

Outwest


Horrible to think about, but probably quite true.

This is a horrible tragedy and I agree with what everyone else said about the causes. I never entertained thoughts of school shootings, but I knew I was that kid. The genius outcast with severe social problems. If anyone were to shoot up the school, they'd have placed bets on me. The students and the teachers. How do you think a kid feels about that? They fear you and it builds up. In middle school my mom tried getting me to see school psychologists, but I refused and rebelled. Wanted to kill her and kept around hatred of her for years. Still do, but mostly now I just regard her as insignificant to my life. I was suicidal then too. In high school we had a substitute who gave us some busywork on CPR. So I filled out this worksheet satirically with everything not to do with CPR, how to suffocate people. Black humor to stay sane in a PC hell hole. So I got called to the principal a few days later and was suspended pending a meeting with a psychologist. My dad came and took me to one immediately; if he had scheduled one for a few days later I'd have likely refused and been expelled. My dad was angry, but he also thought what I wrote was funny. He understood, in a way, but perhaps not so intimately as I. He's at the age where even if he recognizes societal problems, and he does think it has gotten worse here since he was my age, he can just retire on the beach and forget about it all. I can't do that because I have to make a life and I want to start a family. So the next day I come in with my dad after the psychologist has found nothing wrong with me, but the principal tries to make me promise to never do it again. I refused because I could not in all honesty have promised that. So I left the room and my dad somehow convinced her to let me stay.

America is sterile. People like my mother and the principal and the psychologists don't view you as human. They think you're like a test subject to be feared. Kids need love, not fear. My mom's doing that with my dad now, having him read books by the latest experts and having him see psychologists. My dad's a criminal defense lawyer who works with deranged people all the time, so he knows way more about it than she does. Has anyone read Atlas Shrugged? Like Dr. Floyd Ferris. Anyway, my mother took my dad's guns away secretly and hid them from him. They've been having constant fighting about it for the past month. When my dad wasn't around and my older sister was home my mother tried to explain herself and asked our opinion. I told her dad ought to go to the Philippines and bang a girl half his age, solve his problems. I meant it too because as much as my dad and I believe in traditional marriage, my mother does not and is now abusing him. He owes her nothing. But of course my Feminist sister thinks I'm a misogynist. Called our dad an emotional abuser ffs.

So my mom tells dad my sister called me a misogynist and he asked me about it. I told him I'm only as much a misogynist as he is. So he says he regrets having married a cold, emotionless woman, and that I ought to find someone who only wants to give me kisses. So I tell him that's sexist, apparently. According to what all the experts say.

America's no place for men anymore.
Great post.America is no place for men and i can see this a lot clearer now.If only i had known about this 7 years ago.


Hey Stephen - now that you've been in-country for a bit do you feel that men are truly valued as men there? And that the women are truly women and not wanna-be-men with vajayjay's like they are in the West?
Oh for sure dude.The men here are super masculine but they at the same time they don't act like ass holes or feel as though they need to prove themselves.They are quick to pour more beer into your cup and ask you questions about travel and culture and women.My wife cooks,cleans,washes and folds my clothes and likes it.She also works and goes to school.Like i said if you plan on going solo and want to find a real women you gotta have a game plan because your status as an American really does not do alot.And know the language.There is p4p but that is not my style.
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Postby leavingusa » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:55 am

Jackal wrote:
ssjparris wrote:they want us to ban our guns. hand over our guns. so they can come in with marshal law. we wont be able to defend our selves.

Now this type of thinking I really don't understand. If the US government decided to turn it's full might against you, do you honestly think that you'd be able to defend yourself with a few guns? I mean, maybe you could scare aware a few policemen, but eventually, they'll just send the SWAT team, Rangers, etc., and a few armed civilians don't have much of a chance against highly-trained, professional soldiers--especially if these civilians are not ex-military.


There's not enough of them...if 5-10% fought it would be a massacre.

Not to mention there are ways of acquiring heavier weapons if you first have light weapons.

Sympathetic elements of military and police, pissed off veterans...I could go on.
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Postby leavingusa » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:05 am

OutWest wrote:
Jackal wrote:
ssjparris wrote:they want us to ban our guns. hand over our guns. so they can come in with marshal law. we wont be able to defend our selves.

Now this type of thinking I really don't understand. If the US government decided to turn it's full might against you, do you honestly think that you'd be able to defend yourself with a few guns? I mean, maybe you could scare aware a few policemen, but eventually, they'll just send the SWAT team, Rangers, etc., and a few armed civilians don't have much of a chance against highly-trained, professional soldiers--especially if these civilians are not ex-military.


That is the politically correct line...you mean amateurs, like in Afghanistan where they have stymied the US military and are just waiting for the US to leave so they can claim victory? Or the Syrian free army, poorly armed amateurs are beating Assad's military machine...

Outwest


Actually mostly mercenaries and Al Ciada with US supplied stinger missles...

They're even sending Gadaffi's captured stash from Libya to help them.

They are not grassroots by any means...US led proxy war against Assad, same way they got rid of Gadaffi.

Probably has something to do with not trading oil in dollars or some similar beef.
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Postby publicduende » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:12 pm

Ghost wrote:One of those blonde bimbos on Faux Nooz said that these things always seem to be done by young men and that she didn't think it was coincidental.

No shit.

As more and more fall through the cracks of an economy and society that beat them down, these things will surely continue happening. It is abhorrent, but the society/culture would never question itself and discover why these things happen and why a small minority of men snap and do something this horrific.

A cold society and a collapsing economy affect men the worst. Women will always get to be coddled by the men and the government. Bearing that weight upon one's shoulders is not something every man can take.

Powerlessness is the worst feeling. The feeling that you are nothing. And it causes a very few men to become deranged.


Why a small minority of men snap is not really a concern exclusive to the US. I am sure most countries in the world where young men don't have to be preoccupied about feeding their family of 5 at least twice a day, will have a fair share of socially and/or sexually repressed individuals.

A few years ago I read a very refreshing book (http://www.randomhouse.com/book/195874/shutting-out-the-sun-by-michael-zielenziger) about the Japanese phenomenon of hikikomori. Mild depression, a negative approach to life, social ineptitude and (probably) a good deal of sexual frustration leads several tens of thousands of Japanese young men to live their lives literally locked in their (usually tiny) bedrooms, surrounded by their items of self-referential comfort and security, their Charlie Brown's blankets so to speak, and perhaps a few fetishes as well.

While seeing a young Japanese man in his prime spending time watching TV or reading mangas at home is definitely quite sad for a society that used to pride itself with its spirit of sacrifice, discipline and resourcefulness, the chance is not very high to have one such hikikomori suddenly get hold of an automatic weapon and go on a shooting rampage at the local primary school or hospital. A case of a psycho killing children is actually recorded in recent history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre). Yet, the perpetrator only had a "humble" kitchen knife at his disposal. Had his fury been served by a weapon similar to the one used in the US, he would have probably killed many more than 8 children.

Common sense would say: ban guns from US citizens, unless those directly involved with security and law enforcement, and every 20 years old wannabe mass murderer will think twice about his odds to kill children or nurses with a kitchen knife or a cosplay replica katana.

But no, you US people have had firearm possession etched in your culture for two centuries. Not having a weapon would equate to giving up your right to defend yourself. You can't even begin to think that, for every man who cannot defend his property with a gun there's another man who can't attack your property with the same kind of weaponry.

So, better giving into Michael Snyder's proposal (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/society-is-crumbling-right-in-front-of-our-eyes-and-banning-guns-wont-help) to follow the example of the Kennesaw township and actually impose that every household owns and maintains a gun. MAD (mutually assured destruction) in the door-to-door cold war era. I am not laughing.

In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild Westâ€￾ showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
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Postby Jackal » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:23 pm

publicduende wrote:In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild Westâ€￾ showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

This is a very interesting example, but I really wonder if such a policy would be successful in a much larger city like Los Angeles or New York.
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Postby Jackal » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:28 pm

leavingusa wrote:There's not enough of them...if 5-10% fought it would be a massacre.

Not to mention there are ways of acquiring heavier weapons if you first have light weapons.

Sympathetic elements of military and police, pissed off veterans...I could go on.

Hmm, I suppose you have a point. But anyway, I guess I have never seen the US as a prize worth fighting over. I suppose that some of you actually feel some personal connection to the US, which is something that I'm not even capable of imagining.
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