Where are all the submissive / traditional women?

[Johnny1975]

Andrew, from what you're saying, it sounds like you believe that the forces of feminism and western ways (narcissism, entitlement, etc etc etc) are so powerful that nothing can overcome them, or nothing else is stronger. I don't share that premise.

[abcdavid01]

I keep having to argue this. No, Feminism and Westernization are not the ultimate ends of cultural evolution. Nor are they inevitable for the Third World as it develops.

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[Billy]

i dont´think these chicks could be found. ok maybe in traditional immigrant families. but these guys won´t sell their chicks to an outsider except you will jump through some serious loops like becoming muslim and shit.

there are many guys who are looking after these chicks. even for example in turkey it´s almost not possible. marriage starts at 10k gold for the chick.....things are diffucult....

[Andrewww]

Andrew, from what you're saying, it sounds like you believe that the forces of feminism and western ways (narcissism, entitlement, etc etc etc) are so powerful that nothing can overcome them, or nothing else is stronger. I don't share that premise.

That's right, it's pointless to think otherwise. Immigrants will always become part of the system, it might not happen right away but their children will surely do so.

Plenty of examples around me...Canada is full of immigrants. The young ones who were born here are indistinguishable from the general population. There are a few who are kept in check by their parents like the arabs and the chinese but there is a language barrier with these people and they usually only hang out with their own.

The Eastern European women who arrive here hook up within months. They are much more sociable people than your average Canadian at first but with time they realize that things aren't the same as back home. So the only way to find that submissive woman is in her own country, maybe off the beaten path. That requires good knowledge of the local language and a lot of cash of course.

[abcdavid01]

Andrew, from what you're saying, it sounds like you believe that the forces of feminism and western ways (narcissism, entitlement, etc etc etc) are so powerful that nothing can overcome them, or nothing else is stronger. I don't share that premise.

That's right, it's pointless to think otherwise. Immigrants will always become part of the system, it might not happen right away but their children will surely do so.

Plenty of examples around me...Canada is full of immigrants. The young ones who were born here are indistinguishable from the general population. There are a few who are kept in check by their parents like the arabs and the chinese but there is a language barrier with these people and they usually only hang out with their own.

The Eastern European women who arrive here hook up within months. They are much more sociable people than your average Canadian at first but with time they realize that things aren't the same as back home. So the only way to find that submissive woman is in her own country, maybe off the beaten path. That requires good knowledge of the local language and a lot of cash of course.

Yes, but the people will reject the system. It's much too vacuous. How many adults popping Xanax now? The people are unhappy. A new philosophical paradigm is inevitable. It'll be over the coming decades, but I'm quite sure of it.

[S_Parc]

Yes, but the people will reject the system. It's much too vacuous. How many adults popping Xanax now? The people are unhappy. A new philosophical paradigm is inevitable. It'll be over the coming decades, but I'm quite sure of it.

It's called a Virtual Reality simulation. It's a natural next big step in information technology, the most pervasive technology in the world today, either first or emerging markets. The era of the anti-depressants was a stop-gap, since Big Pharma only uses a shotgun approach (one size fits all) to most of their product lines. When people can plug themselves into a Supercomputing X-Box server and live the fantasy of being a rock star, actor, or even have an online harem, the system, meaning global corporatism, will be firmly entrenched.

Michael Crichton's silly 'Disclosure' and Leonard's even sillier 'Lawnmower Man' were 30 years ahead of their time, as CPUs in the early 90s could barely do realistic movie edits, nevermind model an entire room or office.

When you're referencing is still a century or two in the future. That's when sensorial-ism reaches a peak, and people opt back for naturalism. At least that's what Aldous Huxley's John the Savage protagonist hoped for in 'Brave New World'.

[Johnny1975]

Stop it. You're going of topic. The sole purpose of this thread is for you lot to tell me where to find traditional women. You're not here to debate amongst yourselves.

[Renata]

Johnny1975 traditional women in the UK usually live at home with their parents until they are married & their parents tend to monitor them. Most unions are arranged for girls, not forced but guided, because these girls have no other way to meet men that are socially acceptable other than being introduced. So your only chance is to get yourself in with religious cliques, change your religion, or get her parents approval. I lived in the UK for a few years and did meet a lot of traditional girls.

For the Greeks, the orthodox churches in Nottinham, Palmers Green are your best bet.
For the Turks, the cultural centers in Haringey. They are highly guarded people though but are open to foreigners willing to learn about thier language & culture.
For the Indians the Gurudwara is a good place to start. They are highly guarded people too but are open to foreigners willing to help or do volunteer work.
The Arabic women don't even bother.

[ILoveBlackAmericanWomen]

I think the better term would be traditional women. They are here but hard to find. Cultures that have tradition values have more traditional women.

[Teal Lantern]

Yes, but the people will reject the system. It's much too vacuous. How many adults popping Xanax now? The people are unhappy. A new philosophical paradigm is inevitable. It'll be over the coming decades, but I'm quite sure of it.

It's called a Virtual Reality simulation. It's a natural next big step in information technology, the most pervasive technology in the world today, either first or emerging markets. The era of the anti-depressants was a stop-gap, since Big Pharma only uses a shotgun approach (one size fits all) to most of their product lines. When people can plug themselves into a Supercomputing X-Box server and live the fantasy of being a rock star, actor, or even have an online harem, the system, meaning global corporatism, will be firmly entrenched.

Michael Crichton's silly 'Disclosure' and Leonard's even sillier 'Lawnmower Man' were 30 years ahead of their time, as CPUs in the early 90s could barely do realistic movie edits, nevermind model an entire room or office.

When you're referencing is still a century or two in the future. That's when sensorial-ism reaches a peak, and people opt back for naturalism. At least that's what Aldous Huxley's John the Savage protagonist hoped for in 'Brave New World'.

What about this?
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/12/17/ ... -sex-game/

[S_Parc]

Michael Crichton's silly 'Disclosure' and Leonard's even sillier 'Lawnmower Man' were 30 years ahead of their time, as CPUs in the early 90s could barely do realistic movie edits, nevermind model an entire room or office.

When you're referencing is still a century or two in the future. That's when sensorial-ism reaches a peak, and people opt back for naturalism. At least that's what Aldous Huxley's John the Savage protagonist hoped for in 'Brave New World'.

What about this?
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/12/17/ ... -sex-game/

Yep, this is exactly what I expected to be coming into the market in the years to come. We'll quite literally have the horsepower of Lucas's Industrial Light & Magic company on a supped up desktop in a few years. And yes, these fantasies will suffice, for a stressed out, isolated society, like the one we live in.

[abcdavid01]

I'm not buying it. Sure, a lot of guys look at porn. Not so many have porn addictions. A lot of guys like video games. Most guys grow up. So what if the tech's better? It's like two different conversations here. I'm talking about a new artistic, cultural, and intellectual paradigm. You're talking about new modes of transmission which are hardly even revolutionary. I mean, I'd be more convinced by hologram tech. VR helmets? That's not gonna have everyone joining The Matrix. I just don't buy it and I'm unimpressed by the theory.

Although, I am interested in the future of androids.

Johnny, go join the Mormon church or something. I considered that.

[S_Parc]

I'm not buying it. Sure, a lot of guys look at p**n. Not so many have p**n addictions. A lot of guys like video games. Most guys grow up. So what if the tech's better? It's like two different conversations here. I'm talking about a new artistic, cultural, and intellectual paradigm. You're talking about new modes of transmission which are hardly even revolutionary. I mean, I'd be more convinced by hologram tech. VR helmets? That's not gonna have everyone joining The Matrix. I just don't buy it and I'm unimpressed by the theory.

Although, I am interested in the future of androids.

Johnny, go join the Mormon church or something. I considered that.

That's just the point, I don't care about the theory. I'm more concerned about what's actually going on and what's going to happen.

So while you may live in your whimsical academic world of great classical thinkers: Plato, Rousseau, Goethe, Emerson, etc, and believe that you are some future lineage holder, about to best Bertrand Russell for the modern age, I'm looking at what's happening to the world around us.

Western culture (and I'm now including modern Japan) is about immersion into fantasy. The coming VR [plus androids], is going to be a huge part of it. This will, in effect, render the human experience, less significant than any other time in history, as the modern man is hapless against big corporations and is thus, contented with his actuated fantasies.

P@rn from 1980 till today, by itself, is non-interactive. It's basically watching two persons on a screen go at it. When the consumer is actually in that play, with sensory equipment et al, as an actor, now engaged in an AI paradigm, it'll be far more addictive than any adult entertainment DVD. And if you can't accept that then I believe that you're a dreamer and not a realist.

A new paradigm of thinking, will not occur, until this entire cycle burns itself out. I don't see that happening for another century. I do believe that it's possible but not in my lifetime.

[abcdavid01]

I'm not buying it. Sure, a lot of guys look at p**n. Not so many have p**n addictions. A lot of guys like video games. Most guys grow up. So what if the tech's better? It's like two different conversations here. I'm talking about a new artistic, cultural, and intellectual paradigm. You're talking about new modes of transmission which are hardly even revolutionary. I mean, I'd be more convinced by hologram tech. VR helmets? That's not gonna have everyone joining The Matrix. I just don't buy it and I'm unimpressed by the theory.

Although, I am interested in the future of androids.

Johnny, go join the Mormon church or something. I considered that.

That's just the point, I don't care about the theory. I'm more concerned about what's actually going on and what's going to happen.

So while you may live in your whimsical academic world of great classical thinkers: Plato, Rousseau, Goethe, Emerson, etc, and believe that you are some future lineage holder, about to best Bertrand Russell for the modern age, I'm looking at what's happening to the world around us.

Western culture (and I'm now including modern Japan) is about immersion into fantasy. The coming VR [plus androids], is going to be a huge part of it. This will, in effect, render the human experience, less significant than any other time in history, as the modern man is hapless against big corporations and is thus, contented with his actuated fantasies.

P@rn from 1980 till today, by itself, is non-interactive. It's basically watching two persons on a screen go at it. When the consumer is actually in that play, with sensory equipment et al, as an actor, now engaged in an AI paradigm, it'll be far more addictive than any adult entertainment DVD. And if you can't accept that then I believe that you're a dreamer and not a realist.

A new paradigm of thinking, will not occur, until this entire cycle burns itself out. I don't see that happening for another century. I do believe that it's possible but not in my lifetime.

You clearly are concerned about the theory or you wouldn't be postulating on the effects of these developments. I am not doubting that these developments will take place. Note also that I never did give a timeline. It's only really possible to predict the future in generalities. Certainly the things I am saying may come true in 100 years or more and no sooner. Personally, I am not even concerned for my own lifetime. I am concerned with creating contributions with the potential to outlive my death.

In any case, cultural, political, artistic development is not so cut and dry. It is not as if one paradigm burns out and the next one rises from it like a Phoenix. There are often several decades or centuries of transition and overlap. I think in the near future there will be an increasing overlap of rejection to sensory overload. Happier Abroad is itself a manifestation of that.

[publicduende]

Hmm Johnny I beg to disagree.

London and the UK still have pockets of good foreign women who have to work very hard and don't have time to entertain "westernising" activities like spending hours gossiping about men or getting drunk and behaving like slappers in pubs and clubs. Last time I checked, British men were still fighting nails and teeth to find and grab every young woman from Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Israel, China, Vietnam or the few Latin Americans, regardless of looks and even regardless of whether they were here legally or illegally. I can imagine many of them have left the UK and the intake is now a lot smaller due to the recession, yet I guess it's still possible to find nice, traditional and hard working girls who know what family values and sacrifice is. As I said, British men are anything but stupid and such specimen get quickly snapped up.

I used to live in Kilburn and one of the local bakeries had two cuties working there, one from Poland and one from Ukraine, both in their late twenties and both still single. I remember that quite well because the shop owner, a funny if not raunchy Tunisian, was constantly joking about trying to sell them as "special cakes" to deserving customers.

Not all is lost. Places like London and the UK in general are still a relative bliss due to the constant flow of migrants from countries where women are still women. And this is not to mention young women from middle class backgrounds who come over here to study English, or to study at university. This latter category including lots of Asians.

Last but not least, Kilburn is also home to a sizeable Filipino population. Lots of those girls are good material, methinks.

Well I live in south east London. Tell me more. Tell me everything you know. You see I don't believe that all is lost, and as you say the good ones do get snapped up. That makes sense.

Another thing that just occurred to me. These girls have parents. Where does the dad or the mum of a decent woman hang out and socialise? What jobs do they tend to have? Maybe if I knew, I could chat to them and try and get them to introduce me to their daughters.

I want their daughters now.

What I want to establish is a pool of women that I can draw from. That way I don't have to rely on too much luck. And if one doesn't work out, there are more in the same pool.

Not all of us are willing or able to go abroad just to have a look around. So let's see if we can establish places where the few good UK (or US, or wherever others here may be) females are. Sure it will be less to pick from, but something is better than nothing. And I don't want to hear from anyone saying forget about it.

Well, I assume you know a lot about London as you're a Londoner yourself. It's precisely because many cannot be able (or be bothered) to go abroad to look for a girlfriend or wife, that London and many large UK cities are a relative bliss, since the pool or just-in and first-generation foreigners is pretty large.

I don't know what I could tell you. I believe Polish and Ukranian single girls are absolutely the best of the lot: traditional, often out of their Catholic upbringing, sweet and understanding, serious and hard working, well aware of the social roles of men and women yet perfectly happy to work if needed. Did I mention cute to gorgeous and, if particularly lucky, with some of the biggest racks out there?

I haven't been searching for a partner for a good while now, yet I have the feeling that, as I said, many of those young women have either married (a Brit/EU or a man from the same community) or left the country a few years ago. Don't forget that Poland is Europe's star performer in the face of the global crisis, and the Zloty has appreciated considerably against the Euro and Pound, to the point that to many foreign workers it was more economical to work in an improving Poland than a declining UK.

I know there are large Polish/Ukrainian/Lithuanian communities in South West London (all areas from Hammersmith alongside Piccadilly of District lines, westbound). I guess you could pay a visit to one of the many independent coffee shops or bakeries or restaurants, you will never be too far from a fresh Polish immigrant.