Phx wrote:Voice of Reason and Disillusioned American:
How are you two putting words in my mouth? I am not exploiting any women. I haven't had sex in years. I don't even care about sex. "Muh dick mentality?" LMAO. Are you serious?
Many of you are missing the point. I am not a player. I am not a one night stand guy. I never had a one night stand. I am not a Roosh fan. I said I liked how he runs his website. Roosh is a PUA and I hate all PUAs. All I said was if Winston ran his site like Roosh's he would have more members and more traffic. This site will always be a subculture. All of that turned into me praising Roosh and being a player, PUA, etc. I always hated PUA. I had to learn how to talk to girls on my own and I didn't use PUA. I studied comedians and watched and heard comedy shows like Richard Pryor Live in Concert. I actually improved myself instead of most of you guys blaming others and not wanting to improve yourself because it's everyone else's fault. I am perfectly fine! We all need improvement.
Reading comprehension is fundamental. I think finding a virgin and divorcing her if she is not one is silly. There's one thing to not want your girl to do drugs, smoke or drink, you can find a girl like that pretty easily, but finding a virgin? It's going to be hard to do that.
How does me saying you guys only want virgins turn into me finding virgins to exploit? This is ridiculous. I am not a winner of feminism like abcdavid said. I am just a regular guy like you guys. I don't do anything special.
Many of you missed the point when you were disagreeing with me. I knew I was going to take heat, but many of you misunderstood completely. I like how I am a PUA, a man whore etc. If you knew me in real life lol.
Winston, you're the last person to be saying someone has complexes. Get the f**k out of here. I am not even going to go there with you. I have no complexes. I know what the f**k I am talking about.
I am not going abroad as a luxury, which is a ridiculous statement to make. American women suck. They have mental issues. I already said that. I am tired of the women here. I haven't been with a girl in a long time because I am not interested and I am tired of the games.
This is what I am talking about. You guys think you are disadvantaged. For all of the complaints Winston makes about the US, all of his long-term relationships were in the US and he said many girlfriends in the US. He doesn't mention that because he can't sell you on his mission.
So, I don't want kids or want marriage means what? I want a girlfriend. You guys crack me up. You want to read whatever you want to read and turn it into something else. It fits your delusion.
Like Banano said, I believe if you can't do well in your home country with women, you will have problems overseas too. I agree with this a little bit. All I was saying was dating is not a cakewalk. I don't care if you go to Philippines, Thailand, etc. You as a man have to work for the girl. I didn't think I would hurt you guys feelings over this.
Oh yeah, Winston, don't even try to turn this on me like I am making excuses about going abroad. I told people why I am not abroad. I am saving money and I have to do other things before I go. I don't make excuses like you saying the reason why I can't go to China is because I want to watch movies or I need to do a science project from January 2009. Then you try to turn this on me saying how I am still in the US trying to back peddle out of the issue. I am not the one on this site writing top 10 lists about Taiwan and how Taiwanese women are so cold. I talk to Taiwanese women online and I don't see a problem with them.
I believe you have money, Winston. That's not my grip. You already know you make excuses, all right. You going to China is like me going to California or Washington. You are a so-called truth seeker, but you don't want to hear the truth. All you do is call the people that want to debate you names/ I am wonder what complex I have? Winston, I wish we met in real life, so I can laugh in your face. Many of you do not know me at all. I am just a regular guy. I am nothing special. I don't have any issues with my personality or anything. This is just funny.
Voice of Reason: I am not the problem. This statement pissed me off more than what Disillusioned American said. I haven't had sex since 2010. I have told everyone I know this and I don't care if I get laughed at or not. I am not a PUA. I said that before. I am not a player. I don't have one night stands. I don't want notches under my belt. I am searching for a girlfriend too.
I hope you understand this now because I thought I made this clear in the OP. Tired of this woe is me shit with you guys. Looks aren't everything. I see ugly or average guys with the girls all of the time when I am out in public. Then I am reminded of you guys crying about not getting girls.
Americans are dating each other. It's not an illusion. There have to be good women out here. A man is dating one of them. It's not like men are alone and women are alone in public. Just ignore this part of reality.
Every time a man says he is successful in America with women that means he is a PUA or a womanizer or a male model. All of my friends from high school are either married or have long-term girlfriends. They are not players or anything. They are regular guys. You have this shit embedded in your head: no guy is successful with women in the US unless he has money, rich or looks like a model. This is complete bullshit. These guys I went to school with are mostly average looking like I said. Again...We all know why American women suck. I have had more rejections than I can count. All men get rejected. I don't care if you are Tom Cruise or Will Smith. That's life. Now, I will address more of the posts later. Thanks for posting in the thread.
One thing about me you should know is I am very opinionated (the only thing Winston is right about me) and blunt. I am honest. I do not sugar coat shit to make you feel good. When someone attacks Winston, he becomes sappy as hell, but when Winston attacks members like Repatriate, he is like Buffalo Bill. I don't like this two-faced shit. Trying to expose Repatriate's identity was fun wasn't it? I don't like how you play the victim card. You're almost 40 and you are not a victim of shit. I thought this site was about being a freethinker and truth seeking? I guess not. I don't want you religious guys calling me out for being an atheist. I am a damn good person. I wish you guys would hang out with me to see what I mean. I am not what you think I am.
....Holy Jesus! I know you. You're one of my YouTube subscribers. You wrote so much in this post alone, I don't even know where to begin! By the way, I read what you said about me, which I assume this new guy from Michigan is me being the guy you're talking about? I guess you had to throw me in there. I only agreed with you on very little here, but I wanted to point some things out to you in my own MGTOW mind set perspective.
1. About racism: I already made it crystal that I'm strongly against it! Even though this is a politically incorrect site, I don't think racism should be included to be allowed on such a site. I'm saying this as a man who is an anti-racist. Racism should not be allowed nor practiced and it needs to stop. This is only going to push people away from the forums.
2. About the girl you met in Michigan: You're forgetting something fellow brother. You look like 2 Pac (I know you get this a lot. Lol!), but I don't. Not saying this out of jealousy, but it's facts. Most (not all) American women are picky about a lot of things INCLUDING how a man looks! Every man in America has his own experiences with women here. Not every man (especially the average, below average, and nice guys) is going to have the same outcome and experiences. We're all different. Most of us have a hard time with American women and it's mostly because of them. It's not us that is the problem.
3. American women in general: This is just truth I"m telling you man. Most of them are bad. "Most", but not all. There are good ones too along with anti-feminist women. However, the problem is there is not enough of them here in this country.
4. About feminism: Even you got to admit this! It is a serious problem in this country! More than enough people (that includes women) are talking about this all over YouTube. It is possibly more men than women, but still, that speaks volume alone as far as how many people are talking about it. Other country women are not as liberated compared to the United States. They had a feminist movement here many years ago.
5. About foreign women: From the proofs I've seen, the research I did, and a small portion of online encounters I've had in chatrooms, they are different from American women. Very different! I don't just look at the outside of the box. I look at what's inside too. However, from my experiences in America I either run into hot women with shitty attitudes, or women with good personalities, but they don't know how to take care of themselves. I will admit this bitter truth. I do want a woman with both qualities! Not just one nor the other.
6. About the men not doing anything: ....Okay. I do agree with what you said as far as men who only complain in the forums. That is why I took steps and took my frustrations to the public by letting my voice be heard in videos, which is a huge step! You think you're taking a lot of heat now? You should take a look at a few of my videos and look down in the comments section on some of my videos. I'm taking a lot of heat as of now, but I continued on because it's revealing the real raw truth of how American society really is! But I do agree with you on one thing. Instead of these men complaining in the forums, they should do something about it. Whether it means going their own way as MGTOW's, or by means of improving their lifestyles and work on their careers so these men have the means to travel to find a woman that's going to make them happy in their lives.
After most of what I read from your post, I do admire your courage for speaking out. As for me, I have been doing something this entire time ever since I've gone MGTOW and became an anti feminist. I've been building a nest so when the time comes, I can travel later on when the time is right. However, in all honesty I don't know how much longer I can keep doing this. What I'm making right now is not fast enough income for me to generate and save faster. Also these videos that I'm doing is destroying me, even though what I'm speaking is full, raw truth! As much as I enjoy making these videos, it's getting recognition and I'm getting a lot of positive feedback from men. However, as far as financially, this is not getting me where I want to go in life.
With that said, I do have a goal in mind. I'm working on a back-up channel for monetization. However, once I get started on this channel, it's not going to be based on anti feminism. I created the channel to do PC gaming commentaries. I really do enjoy video games and I play them a lot! Mainly the Bethesda role playing games and MMORPG games is all I play on my PC. Kind of like what Angry Joe and Total Biscuit does, but I'm doing my own style of conducting the videos. By all means my channel is not going to be some rip-off from someone else. I must warn my fellow brethrens. Once I start this project, my other channel will still be up, but I won't be able to make videos for it as often as I used to. As for my blog, I'm going to end up shutting my blogger page down. I like the video making better and with me doing two seperate video projects, I'm not going to have time to make blogs.
I will admit one thing. I don't blame most men as far as how they feel and their frustrations. But I'm just so sick of all the hate and anger! It even saddens me to see what the majority of American society has become in this generation. Mainly what most of the women have become. I don't like the results of this generation and this great divide between the sexes, mainly in this country. But on the flip side of things, I don't feel sorry for most of these American women anymore. They should have seen this day coming and they're only getting what they deserve as a result of their actions. The divorce rate and the alarming growth of single mothers is proof of that alone as far as the path of destruction they're heading towards. Gentlemen, if you really are that frustrated, you have these options:
1. Work on your career, get your passport, and start traveling out of here if you want to meet better women! Along with those lines, decide what country you really want to go to and study the language during that time you work on improving yourself so you'll have the funds to travel.
2. Work on your career and/or just go your own way as a single man. I highly recommend some of you, mainly the newcomers, to go join the MGTOW forums. This goes for all men, whether you have a desire to travel to meet foreign women, or if you'd rather not deal with women at all.
All I'm trying to say here is there is more than enough men who are speaking the truth as far as what's really going on here with American women. I hate to tell you this Pax, but it is 100% truth! The only huge drawback I see from this war is there is too much hate and anger. But it doesn't help when most women are throwing fuel into that fire. And I got sick and tired of how most American women are and how they reject men for the wrong reasons along with the recycled garbage I kept attracting (divorcees, single moms, etc). That is why I opted out and quit dating in America completely.
Other than that, I've said more than enough. Pax, if this is your way of saying goodbye to the forums, I wish you the best and good luck to you.