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Postby Adama » May 28th, 2013, 8:54 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:I don't think even American 16 year olds are that bad. Besides, you can usually guess who's a virgin and who's not.

I get what you mean about maturity publicduende. Like I said, my last relationship didn't work out because she was too emotionally immature for me. I still care about virginity though. I just don't want to adapt to what I see as societal decadence. I mean, I don't think most women should be going for anything but Mrs. Degrees. It's not necessarily that I think women are less intelligent. Just that they naturally make decisions emotionally, which is a recipe for disaster in most traditionally male careers.

It's important to remember these things aren't mutually exclusive. Someone can still be very mature and care about virginity. I've known at least two girls like that. One had other problems and I fear she'll wind up a single mother. The other was pretty much my dream girl. Or at least as far as I've seen, though going by what Jester said she may only be half as good as what's out there. Probably the type Tsar would like too, though I agree it helps to have emotional maturity. Sexual maturity I'm not sure I agree with.

I mean, my first kiss on the lips was when I was eight and I kissed my thirty year old babysitter. I'm not a prude, but I have a certain set of values.

I'm not exactly religious, or maybe I can say I'm reluctantly religious, but if I were here's what I'd say: Sex has two roles, procreation and pleasure. I don't disagree with the sexual libertines on this. Yet disassociating the two just seems sterile. So I can understand Catholics like Tsar not liking contraceptives, which again I know are pretty ancient. I also think people should be sexually active as soon as they become sexually developed. If God didn't mean for thirteen year olds to have sex then he wouldn't allow them to. Could someone argue that's just God's test against temptation? Well that just sounds ridiculous. The real problem is that there aren't safe institutions for sex. To me, teen pregnancy isn't a problem, but the fact that we have a society that arrests development is. Teenagers in Western societies aren't raised to be mature enough for it. Besides, in older eras it wasn't as if teen mothers were all on their own anyway. This leads back to the idea of the disillusion of the family. Again, we have a society where kids are treated like kids for eighteen years then pushed out of the house. In a different era it would have been that kids matured much faster, but stayed in the family household much longer. I wish there was still a more transactional role for marriage. This doesn't necessarily preclude the role of love. But there are two choices in modern Western society: adapt, or put off having sex. I choose the latter in hope of riding out the storm. I don't think a society that promotes the current type of sexuality is sustainable in the long term. It's a Sexual Communism that reflects a further Communization of all aspects of society. Just one manifestation of the zeitgeist.


Women working outside the home, along with Socialist government, negates the need for them to have husbands. It also displaces men who could otherwise have those educational slots of positions at work. Many women prefer to marry men who earn more money. Unfortunately the more women take slots away from those men, the less women who will be able to marry those high-earning men.

Ideally women should be homeschooling the children and teaching them good values, not competing in the workplace.

Studies also so that for every $1,000 per year after $30,000 per year a woman earns, the divorce rate increases.

Those are just a couple of reasons to avoid career oriented women.
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Postby Banano » May 28th, 2013, 11:34 pm

OP

where did you get these stats from?
How many Russian/Ukranian women have you been with? not many is my guess


Based on my experience I would argue FSU women are more promiscuous than anglos, they start having sex very early (13-14),

anglo women have higher standards when it comes to choosing a guy for dating/ONSs, generally,guys that Russian women go for would not be considered by AW...
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Postby Maverick » May 29th, 2013, 1:58 am

I'm more concerned about a woman lying and cheating than I am about how old she was when she lost her virginity.

I've found that American women lie constantly. Hopefully, foreign women don't lie as much. I'm not holding my breath though (women are women, after all).
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Postby Jester » May 29th, 2013, 3:53 am

publicduende wrote:
Jester wrote:
publicduende wrote:...what happens when you crash against the simple realisation that even a majority of 16 years olds will have had a couple of boyfriends, fooled around and probably had penetrative sex? ....


You are conjuring phony statistics. Most 16-year-old girls who are not married or engaged, are indeed virgins. Period.

The world is bigger than you think.


My bad, I should have been clearer. I was talking about US teenagers, as both Tsar and Magnum are American. Of course everyone could go abroad looking for virgin teenagers, knocking on house doors or hanging around the local high schools...the kind of stuff that would make even Roosh look like a mature playboy :lol:


You mean LEAVE THE COUNTRY??
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Golly!
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Postby Tsar » July 28th, 2013, 11:50 pm

My trend line for Russia is fairly accurate based when I compare it to a recent study about Russian virginity. I based my graph upon multiple studies and for the gaps in the data points I used logical estimation. I did not continue my chart past age 21 because I knew that past 21 it would be very subjective with very little reliable information to go on because many statistics and information targets a younger age categories.

Here's the link to the newest study: http://post.jagran.com/over-40-percent- ... 1369829735

Over 40 percent of Russian women have sex before turning 18 and over 90 percent by age 24, but every fifth woman strongly believes in keeping her virginity until married, a study has found.
- See more at: http://post.jagran.com/over-40-percent- ... 1369829735
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Postby ladislav » July 29th, 2013, 10:29 am

What I observed in Russia and Ukraine was that a lot of girls look for one BF to marry. They will have sex before marriage but then they want to marry the guy. Then, many divorce etc. So, there 's often marriage involved in loss of virginity or at least an attempt at marriage. Not many just have recreational sex as in the West.
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Postby Nathalie18 » July 29th, 2013, 12:52 pm

I'm 18 years old, from Russia and I will save my purity for my future husband. Now I enter the University and better study than spend time drinking, going to the clubs and doing other things with promiscuity like some stupid ones. Only this way I'll be able to teach my children ethics and morality and I'm sure they'll be thankful and proud of their mother.
There is a tendence of diminishing of the pregnant age. One my classmate had done that when she was 13, another when she was 14. The second one was so naive that initially trust even every boy, they told her that it is a start of a serious adult life, that is a true relationship, but than even didn't recall. Some girls I'm unhappy to know made aborts and one won't have children ever.
As for my class, 4 from 24 were not virgins, but in the whole were decorous)
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Postby ladislav » July 31st, 2013, 12:55 am

Natalie, in what city are you?
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Postby Jester » May 15th, 2014, 11:20 pm

Nathalie18 wrote:I'm 18 years old, from Russia and I will save my purity for my future husband. Now I enter the University and better study than spend time drinking, going to the clubs and doing other things with promiscuity like some stupid ones. Only this way I'll be able to teach my children ethics and morality and I'm sure they'll be thankful and proud of their mother.
There is a tendence of diminishing of the pregnant age. One my classmate had done that when she was 13, another when she was 14. The second one was so naive that initially trust even every boy, they told her that it is a start of a serious adult life, that is a true relationship, but than even didn't recall. Some girls I'm unhappy to know made aborts and one won't have children ever.
As for my class, 4 from 24 were not virgins, but in the whole were decorous)


Missed your comment before, Nathalie.

Welcome to the Happier Abroad forum.

Hope you post again.

I am sure that with your good character, you make yourself eligible for a man of good character. I expect the best for you.
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Postby TopSpruce » May 15th, 2014, 11:55 pm

Jester wrote:
Nathalie18 wrote:I'm 18 years old, from Russia and I will save my purity for my future husband. Now I enter the University and better study than spend time drinking, going to the clubs and doing other things with promiscuity like some stupid ones. Only this way I'll be able to teach my children ethics and morality and I'm sure they'll be thankful and proud of their mother.
There is a tendence of diminishing of the pregnant age. One my classmate had done that when she was 13, another when she was 14. The second one was so naive that initially trust even every boy, they told her that it is a start of a serious adult life, that is a true relationship, but than even didn't recall. Some girls I'm unhappy to know made aborts and one won't have children ever.
As for my class, 4 from 24 were not virgins, but in the whole were decorous)


Missed your comment before, Nathalie.

Welcome to the Happier Abroad forum.

Hope you post again.

I am sure that with your good character, you make yourself eligible for a man of good character. I expect the best for you.


Well, that was a long time ago... I doubt she'll be back.

One thing I noticed with girls in the FSU is that they aren't that different from USA girls. Sure, there is some difference, but a lot are career oriented and not so much family oriented. The society lacks any real sense of purpose. There is no religion, no ideology like communism....perhaps just nationalism these days. While a girl like Nathalie may have good intentions, she lacks a system of beliefs and support from society to carry her through difficult periods. When things get difficult, many simply give up and divorce.
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