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Postby djfourmoney » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:21 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:Good that you're not settling Tsar. I'm sure you'll find someone. Even in America I don't think it's that bleak. Virgins may be a minority, but I've known a few.


From the school that virgins are better, that MAY be true but you aren't looking for virgins are you? If you were you would be married to one by now...

Settling? Wow, so a woman with a few sex partners is a few too many and having a virgin is important. I know the truth behind this and it really has nothing to do with religion.

As I said Peter Marra who isn't what I would call a devout Catholic, married a Ukrainian woman from a small town who is a practicing Orthodox Christian, does the whole Sunday School, Services and Community thing.

But that isn't the reason you want a Virgin.... I ain't telling either, let's see if it comes out in the wash.
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Postby lone_yakuza » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:36 pm

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Re: Virgins in America, Russia, and Ukraine

Postby WorldTraveler » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:32 am

Tsar wrote:One of the major factors I have when choosing a girlfriend or bride is whether or not she is a virgin.

Not every point on the graph was available in the studies I have read. I used more conservative numbers by using the lower estimates for the points that were given. Despite the chart being a rough estimate, it does reflect a very accurate trend line. Sometimes a visual can help people appreciate the differences which is why I created it.

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Key points to consider:
Between 15% and 20% of American girls have had sex before age 14.
When a girl is 15 she has completed half of her freshman year of high school or is in her first semester of her sophomore year.
When an American girl reaches age 17, that is when they begin to attend proms. When they're 18 it's senior prom and then off to college as a freshman. Notice the steep decline once the American girls get past age 17.
By age 21 most sexually active American girls have had at least 9 sexual partners.

Many Russian and Ukrainians girls value long-term relationships. Many Russian and Ukrainian girls marry young which accounts for a good portion of the virginity loss. The virginity loss of American girls is attributed to them being sluts and their promiscuity.

At what age do most girls get married? (first marriage)
Americans: 26-32
Russia: 18-23
Ukraine: 18-21

The chart does not account for variables such as beauty, kindness, and femininity. Russian and Ukrainian virgins would be more beautiful than the average American virgin. When roughly 50% of American girls are overweight and many are unfeminine because of feminism, the outlook it much worse that you would ever find a beautiful American virgin. You would have better luck spinning a roulette wheel and landing on the one number you selected than finding a beautiful and feminine American virgin that wants a relationship with you, especially if there is an age difference (even of five to ten years assuming she is eighteen).

Many beautiful girls in Russia and Ukraine are taught about tradition, morals, and respecting themselves. The Orthodox Church in Russia takes an active role in shaping life in Russia by fighting against homosexuality and negative influences. Some Russian cities have banned Valentine's Day.

A reference informed me about 15-17% of Russian women remain virgins until they're 25-27.

At age 18 about 50% of Ukrainian girls are virgins, 45% of Russians, and 18% of Americans. By the time the girl has reached age 20 about 37% of Ukrainian girls, 30% of Russian girls, and 2% of American girls are virgins.


Where did this data come from? It sounds like it came from a Russian marriage agency! I hardly believe that girls in the USA are more promiscuous than girls of FSU. I've dated in both Ukraine and USA. From everything I saw Ukrainians are more promiscuous than Americans. There is a 90% divorce rate in FSU, because most of these girls get pregnant out of wedlock and get married very young and by early 20s they are divorced. If you want a virgin from FSU you better find an 18 year old. Good luck!

I see no value in virgins. If they are old and virgins they usually have sexual hangups. I've had a few in my life and all of them were glad to lose it.

Why do you want a virgin? Are you a virgin?
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Postby Tsar » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:39 am

lone_yakuza wrote:If she says she has had 3 BFs and has f***ed all three, you can safely bet she has f***ed 9 different guys and had 9 boyfriends. Women are pathological liars and manipulative c**ts for the most part. I have yet to meet a single honest girl/woman in real life. That is because I live in the USA, the land of whores, feminazis, and manipulative psycho/psychopathic bitches.


I totally agree. If I'm going to lose my virginity the girl better meet my expectations and be my level or above. I feel the same way about the USA. The young American women are complete trash. It's discussions like these that help get my morale back up when I feel alone and empty here in America. I consider myself lucky because I haven't had to deal with the drama, lies, manipulation, risks, and slutty behaviors of American whores.

There are many reasons why I want a virgin. To keep it short I'll name several of my reasons: pride, honor, happiness, equality, trust, bonding, and because I deserve it.

I will never lose my virginity to a girl that has engaged in sexual relations prior to me because that would make me less than a man. Shattering my pride and honor would be something I couldn't live with. In order for me to be a man in a relationship, any woman I'm with must be a virgin or I am less of a man. My pride and honor come first.

Refer to the Seven Heavenly Virtues of Christianity and the Seven Virtues of the Samurai if you want to see examples of some of the many virtues in which I live my life.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:52 am

Girls in my life:

One was Puerto Rican, but lived on the Continent. She dated a lot and went through boyfriends fast, but I was surprised to find out she was a virgin. She was Christian, but didn't exactly go to church every week. She wanted to be a housewife and have a daughter.

Another was a high school classmate who moved from Poland when she was seven. Lived in local Polish community. Still spoke with an accent. Very religious and had good morals. If I'd been smart I'd have scooped her up and wouldn't be here. I'm pretty darn sure she was a virgin.

Third was this Conservative Jewess I dated for a few months. She was a right-winger and pretty traditional, but also too immature.

So yeah, I think you can find virgins here. Even my cousin's this girl a year older than me, she's not a virgin, but she lives on a farm with her two sisters and three brothers, and she's had this one boyfriend for years. I bet she's only slept with him. Will they get married eventually? Probably. Hopefully. If we lived in a real traditional society they'd be married already, but it's almost de facto if I understand.
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Postby djfourmoney » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:51 am

abcdavid01 wrote:Girls in my life:

One was Puerto Rican, but lived on the Continent. She dated a lot and went through boyfriends fast, but I was surprised to find out she was a virgin. She was Christian, but didn't exactly go to church every week. She wanted to be a housewife and have a daughter.

Another was a high school classmate who moved from Poland when she was seven. Lived in local Polish community. Still spoke with an accent. Very religious and had good morals. If I'd been smart I'd have scooped her up and wouldn't be here. I'm pretty darn sure she was a virgin.

Third was this Conservative Jewess I dated for a few months. She was a right-winger and pretty traditional, but also too immature.

So yeah, I think you can find virgins here. Even my cousin's this girl a year older than me, she's not a virgin, but she lives on a farm with her two sisters and three brothers, and she's had this one boyfriend for years. I bet she's only slept with him. Will they get married eventually? Probably. Hopefully. If we lived in a real traditional society they'd be married already, but it's almost de facto if I understand.


Why you using these examples? Your so socially conservative and actually found some women how come you didn't handcuff one?

Virginity is overrated and ONLY in America and Muslim countries is this STILL being debated.

The most unequal first world country is America

The most dangerous countries are Muslim countries.

You guys are obviously doing something wrong.
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Postby Tsar » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:24 am

I would differ on your opinion that virginity is overrated and most other countries don't care about it. Virginity is in high demand and the supply is scarce. Marriages are declining for the most part because women are not virgins. Why are more girls having hymen repairs, fake hymens, lying about virginity, born-again virgins, or try to hide the fact they lost virginity to avoid feeling like they're being judged? It's because they know that some men will reject them. I would say that in America most people don't care about virginity. It's not debated elsewhere but that doesn't mean that people don't care about that issue.

It seems to me many men really do have a strong preference for virginity, and are willing to pay a high price for it in a marriage bargain. This male preference for virgins seems as legitimate as the female preference for high status husbands. So it can do husbands a great harm to deceive them about virginity.

Imagine a woman married a man in part because of his great job and income, and as soon as she has his first kid he reveals that it was a fake; his parents had paid for a temporary high-status job and big house/car/etc. so she could give them a high quality grandkid. Now that the kid has arrived, husband goes back to being a janitor with a bike and one-room apartment. What if the man said, “It’s really worthless for couples to break up over this small issue.â€￾
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/08/value-of-virginity.html


Everywhere in the world if all else was equal most men would choose a virgin girl over a girl that wasn't. Liberalization doesn't rewrite proven tradition, all it does is make liberal thought more acceptable and socially dominant. Even if the majority of people don't care either way, they still have a preference.

According to liberal thought women can demand men be successful, provide for them, buy engagement rings, and give them security, respect, and love. What does a women offer in exchange for all that? History proves the women gave her virginity. Now most girls just give their virginity away to another guy, American girls usually give it to scum, and they sleep around. Liberal thought says virginity is wrong and virginity is overrated because that is the liberal methodology. Throw out tradition and replace it with "progressive" views. Everyone has seen how well liberal thought patterns work, especially in regards to women. America, Canada, the UK, Sweden, are very liberal and their women are vile.

Diamonds are forever, but the meaning of the diamond engagement ring has changed dramatically in the last century. Today's symbol of love was once something more like virginity insurance.

A now-obsolete law called the "Breach of Promise to Marry" once allowed women to sue men for breaking off an engagement. Back then, there was a high premium on women being virgins when they married -- or at least when they got engaged. Surveys from the 1940s show that roughly half of engaged couples reported being intimate before the big day. If the groom-to-be walked out after he and the bride-to-be had sex, that left her in a precarious position. From a social angle, she had been permanently "damaged." From an economic angle, she had lost her market value. So Breach of Promise to Marry was born.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/the-strange-and-formerly-sexist-economics-of-engagement-rings/255434/


Why do women demand engagement rings if they're not virgins? Why do women wear white on their wedding if they're not virgins (I can understand if the man they is marry was their only one because it's basically keeping a promise)? They want to be feminist, liberal, or progressive and then say "I want my tradition." You can't have your cake and eat it too, but women can.
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Postby Jackal » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:53 am

publicduende wrote:Virginity is an overrated "virtue".

I agree. I dislike even being with non-virgins whose pussies are so tight that it's difficult to penetrate them. I like a space which is a bit "easier to park in." lol

And there's no guarantee that a woman who is a virgin is going to mentally be any kind of pure angel. She could still swear and complain and smoke and drink all the time. lol If a woman is beautiful and kind, I don't see any reason to hold it against her that she's had sex before.

But there are all kinds of fetishes, so I guess every guy finds something special.
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Postby publicduende » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:32 am

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publicduende wrote:Virginity is an overrated "virtue".


Then so is emotional bonding with a spouse for a lifetime.

This is why I dislike liberal types. They throw out thousands of years of time and history tested tradition with a single line.


Yeah, only, emotional bonding will give the couple a direct benefit on all counts, for as long as it lasts, while having a "virgin bride" means months, if not years, of mediocre sexual life while she gradually gets to grips to her sexuality.

Sex is a physical form of communication, and as such it has a vocabulary that both partners need to be acquainted with, when not master. What's "liberal" in a man's desire to have sex with a woman who knows how to "speak" sex? Hundred of years ago the Indians and Japanese families would give their newlywed daughters illustrated books on how to please their men. In modern times, I would say a little sexual practice wouldn't hurt.

Why are you guys only able to contemplate the extreme scenarios of the innocent virgin bride and the 100-sex partner seasoned slut? You really think there can be nothing in between?
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:22 pm

It's not a "fetish" and frankly that's quite offensive. The concept of virginity is ancient. I'm someone who values civilization very highly. Morality requires restraint on pure instinct. It's what makes civilization possible. I don't want to engage in Sexual Communism. Virginity is an idea rooted in property rights, as is marriage itself.
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Postby publicduende » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:45 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:It's not a "fetish" and frankly that's quite offensive. The concept of virginity is ancient. I'm someone who values civilization very highly. Morality requires restraint on pure instinct. It's what makes civilization possible. I don't want to engage in Sexual Communism. Virginity is an idea rooted in property rights, as is marriage itself.


It's not much to do with "sexual communism" (= the socialisation of means of re-production, if get your metaphor right :) ), rather than the simple fact that adult men whose sexual development hasn't been stunted by this or that factor, will naturally demand to be sexually satisfied. For how much virginity can be important, many of these adult men (including myself) would rather engage in a long-term relationship with somebody who is not a virgin and knows enough about sex, without being a complete and promiscuous slut if possible, rather than mentoring a virgin into giving them the kind of sex they desire.
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Postby Tsar » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:01 pm

publicduende wrote:
Ghost wrote:
publicduende wrote:Virginity is an overrated "virtue".


Then so is emotional bonding with a spouse for a lifetime.

This is why I dislike liberal types. They throw out thousands of years of time and history tested tradition with a single line.


Yeah, only, emotional bonding will give the couple a direct benefit on all counts, for as long as it lasts, while having a "virgin bride" means months, if not years, of mediocre sexual life while she gradually gets to grips to her sexuality.

Sex is a physical form of communication, and as such it has a vocabulary that both partners need to be acquainted with, when not master. What's "liberal" in a man's desire to have sex with a woman who knows how to "speak" sex? Hundred of years ago the Indians and Japanese families would give their newlywed daughters illustrated books on how to please their men. In modern times, I would say a little sexual practice wouldn't hurt.

Why are you guys only able to contemplate the extreme scenarios of the innocent virgin bride and the 100-sex partner seasoned slut? You really think there can be nothing in between?


I agree that sex is a physical form of communication. A virgin is able to communicate that she has commitment and her man is her one and only. It's a communication that tradition reserved for a couple to learn together.

Between white and black there are shades of grey. Even the lightest shade of grey isn't white, even if that lightest shade of grey even if society has declared it the "new" white. Grey is more or less a lighter shade of black. Once a girl has lost her virginity there is no in between. The girl who lost her virginity in placed on a certain level which ranges from one partner to the 100 partner more slut.

I do understand it's not a major deal for many men. Equality is also one reason because if a man already has partners then he could overlook a few on the woman's end. Some men, especially the men that are virgins couldn't accept a girl who wasn't a virgin. Who would be the "man" in the relationship? The virgin man or the woman with a sex history? The woman would be the "man" in that relationship.

Many people in society don't recognize the value of marriage to a virgin because all the negative social changes has formed all people to become accustomed to the status quo of accepting a girl's sexual history. When I was a teenager I didn't think it was a big deal if a girl had a "history" but because that's only because I was under the influence of propaganda, secular social programming (of the feminists and liberals), and I was unaware of everything I know now. Over the years I came to see that virgin girls were special, all the benefits and virtues those girls have, and that they have the ability to bond. Beginning at age 18 that is when I felt very strongly on the issue and by age 20 I realized I could only be in a relationship with a virgin. The eyes of virgins have a warmth and innocence in them which reflects their ability to love and bond.

Feminism persuades men to believe it doesn't matter if a woman has a sexual history. That men who demand their wife be a virgin are misogynists. The men who demand virginity in a bride are more likely to be righteous, respectful of women, and do all they can to make a future with their wife.

Throughout history and in cultures where men could have multiple wives they would expect each wife to be a virgin. It was because they wanted to share a bond with each wife and they would be providing for all their wives. Most men demanded a virgin. A very small minority of men would accept marriage to a woman who wasn't a virgin. Throughout history there was always a small group of woman who would make a lifestyle off of harlotry and they were not respected. They were looked down upon and all the respectable people treated them like trash. Men would go into the brothels for an easy lay then leave, never would they consider marrying such a woman because she wasn't worthy of their respect. Fast-forward to a feminist America and a world that is constantly receiving the disseminated feministic liberal American propaganda and harlotry is the norm.

THE DESTRUCTION OF MARRIAGE PRECEDES THE DEATH OF A CULTURE

Sociologists and anthropologists who have studied the death of civilizations have found that rampant sexual immorality, feminism, and homosexuality have been factors in destroying nations.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1402568/posts
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:19 pm

Right, sexual liberation is a cornerstone of Feminism. Valuing virginity is holding out against Feminism. Otherwise you're just adapting.

Btw Tsar, what anime's your avatar from? I feel like I should know this.

Article from fschmidt's site, also references Unwin:

http://www.actbiblically.org/Human-Evol ... 95955.html
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Postby Tsar » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:42 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:Btw Tsar, what anime's your avatar from? I feel like I should know this.


My avatar is from Gundam Seed. One of my favorite anime couples.
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Postby Jackal » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:49 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:It's not a "fetish" and frankly that's quite offensive.

Okay, my apologies. I was just joking. I understand that some things are very important to you guys, but maintaining a sense of humor is also important. Getting too serious and angry just leads to high blood pressure and other health problems. And living in a foreign country involves many frustrations, at least in the beginning, so it's important not to take everything seriously.

abcdavid01 wrote:I'm someone who values civilization very highly.

Okay. But so do many of us who do not see a woman's virginity as being extremely special.

abcdavid01 wrote:The concept of virginity is ancient.

So is the concept of murder! lol

abcdavid01 wrote:Virginity is an idea rooted in property rights, as is marriage itself.

I think you should explain this idea more. Property rights certainly aren't any guarantee of ethics. Slavery is an obvious example of this.
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