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Postby Montanaland » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:53 pm

Hey Grunt...How did you like Ecuador?? Its supposed to be the new "undiscovered" costa rica ...with the gorgeous women of Colombia next door.
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Postby Grunt » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:16 pm

Very conservative and interesting. Were I still single I would choose Floripa over Equador. If for no other reason than the sun and surf and 8 girls for every guy.
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Postby Adama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:03 am

Grunt wrote:People need to understand that I became heavily involved in the mens rights and foreign women internet circles literally 10 years ago, if not more. I was reading Dirty Harry and trolling the Russia.com Personals forum back in the late 1990's.

I have gotten pretty tired of American men always bitching about how hard they have it. My first real-world experiment was back in 1997 when I took a short trip to South America, Equador to be exact.

At the time the only "job" I had was in the Army National Guard as a summer instructor and winter recruiter. I lived out of my car and made maybe $1000 a month. Yet I was still able to get on a plane and confirm some theories.

Yet here is is, 12 years later, and I am seeing some of the same f***ing people talking the same f***ing shit crying the same f***ing blues. Like that clown over at americanwomensuck.com or whatever it is now. He(?) talks a fantastic game, but when its all said and done, he wont get off his ass and DO anything.

That leads me to doubt everything he says does since he started his webpage in 2001. I suspect aws is little more that a troll looking for lulz or some feminist honeypot operation designed to gather IP addresses and evidence. Or perhaps even encourage people to violence against women like that guy in Pittsburgh PA.

My point is this, I was flat broke and I still managed to work something out. I got my life cleaned up and went out into the world and found a wonderful wife. It took a monumental effort and mind boggling cost, but I did it.

As an American guy, all of us are at the very top of the global male gene pool. Millions of hot young women are waiting eagerly to get their hands on us. The dollar is still worth something, and travel is still an option.

Its always good to vent, to blow off steam, to identify the problem, but if you stop there you are not being productive. Like the old joke goes, the only way people can walk all over you is if you lie down first.



I wouldnt mind marrying a nice Latina from Ecuador. I never mention this on other boards cause 1- The other guys will start warning you about the eminent divorce, and 2- I dont want manginas going there en masse spoiling things. I'm selfish.

Ecuador isnt overrun with gringos looking for wives like Peru and Colombia, and very few whoremonger sex tourists know enough about it.

The whole green card thing really concerns me though. But at least the women in that country arent sluts.

I think about Hungary too. some of those women are hot. I've seen ones with prettier faces than these. The one in the mini skirt might be a hooker though. haha

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Its obvious that you like the twilight zone

Postby Master » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:55 am

its true that you can buy friends but you are right. Money can not buy happiness nor can superficiality. You must be a humanitarian with you ape. The first episode in the twilight zone ever had to deal with a man that couldn’t handle being alone and he lost hes mind. I in the other hand don’t really think you need people. I think a man can kind hes own by breaking hes primal needs and becoming superior through extremities he can break the cycles of the human condition.
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Insidious (Part 1)

Postby Master » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:58 am

Insidious, let me ask you a question how many women have you approached? And how many times have you’ve been rejected? Where from your experience has it been different? Based on these answers I will answer.
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Re: Insidious (Part 1)

Postby Adama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:24 pm

Master wrote:Insidious, let me ask you a question how many women have you approached? And how many times have you’ve been rejected? Where from your experience has it been different? Based on these answers I will answer.


OK I will bite. Ordinarily it'd be embarrassing to state it, but what the hell, I could always re-register under a new name, right? haha

Freshman year college I probably hit on ~50 women at parties. Frats, sports teams parties. They give out their phone numbers quite easily, but when I'd call they'd either not answer, it'd be a fake number, never return my messages, answer but tell me they are extremely busy, or the real one I loved - tell me to meet them somewhere at a certain time, but never show up. (OK that only happened about 3 times, but it was enough. The phone evasion happened all the other times.)

I started working out over the summer before Junior year, and I was fairly well built with low body fat. Yeah, women flirt big time when when they see a muscular guy in a tanktop. You know, the hair flip, prolonged eye contact, rubbing on your shoulder. Ask for their numbers then, they all have boyfriends. That probably happened to me ~20 times or so. Each time I was hoping "this one will be serious." None of them ever are.

I went to a western European country. With "cold approaches", no signals from the women, success rate was probably 25%. But if women were sending invitation signals and I approached, (such as making eye contact and looking down, making eye contact and smiling, etc), success rate was somewhere between 85-90%. No fake numbers, no unanswered/unreturned calls, none stood me up.

I must say though that the two girls I had problems with spoke fluent English with American accents. One was a Greek girl who studied in England. The other was a German who worked in a company that required her to speak English, French and German. First they were stuck up and wouldnt give me their numbers, saying they had had problems in the past (yeah cause you are a flaky bitch, and of course all men are stalkers). I had one date with each of them and neither ever called me afterwards. That was a good lesson as well. Anglo culture.

I dont want to state the number of women I was successful with, but it was > 10.

Cafes, shopping centers, train stations, trains. All places that were excellent.
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Postby jamesbond » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:29 pm

Your right Insidious about getting phone numbers, they basically mean nothing! I can get phone numbers easily but getting a date with the woman is a whole different story! :shock: It makes you wonder why she gave you her number to begin with? Winston said he approached thousands of girls in the US and got some phone numbers but hardly any lead to dates!

Dating expert David Deangelo said for every 10 women's phone numbers you get, you will only get a date with 1 or 2 of them! So even pickup artists are running into this problem! I guess the more phone numbers you get, the more women you will go out with! No wonder why some pickup artists tell guys to approach hundreds of women a year! It truely is a "numbers game." :P





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Postby Adama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:53 pm

jamesbond wrote:Your right Insidious about getting phone numbers, they basically mean nothing! I can get phone numbers easily but getting a date with the woman is a whole different story! :shock: It makes you wonder why she gave you her number to begin with? Winston said he approached thousands of girls in the US and got some phone numbers but hardly any lead to dates!

Dating expert David Deangelo said for every 10 women's phone numbers you get, you will only get a date with 1 or 2 of them! So even pickup artists are running into this problem! I guess the more phone numbers you get, the more women you will go out with! No wonder why some pickup artists tell guys to approach hundreds of women a year! It truely is a "numbers game." :P






Yeah, some of the guys I used to work with said they expect a 10% success rate. That is way too high. Maybe a 0.001 success rate. Of the ones I keep in contact with, they tell me they meet a new woman every time they go out to bars. They call the women, but they never answer.

They say I am too sensitive. Whatever. Yes, I dont like having to do all the work while women sit back and just flake. What rational person thinks this is the way life was meant to be?

My success rate with in person women was 0. Not 10% or 1%. Just zero.

That's why I dont buy into that PUA stuff. Women have made up in their minds when they look at you how far they will let you go with them. It is more a matter of whether she will find a reason to eliminate you after shes already give you a yes in her mind.

If she has thought NO from the start, PUA is not going to convert into a yes no matter what.
If she says yes, then it is your job to not "screw it up", then it might work SOME of the time (possibly the 10% you quoted).

PUA artists are like divorce lawyers, divorce sociologists, forensic accountants, psychologists, porn stars, prostitutes AND REGULAR WOMEN. Making money off of the loneliness and sexual frustration of men caused by the p***y cartel. So I dont have much respect for them.
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Bite Me Then

Postby Master » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:02 am

You’re a fool and stupid for feeling ashamed for something you have no control of. I do sense your weakness to be strong. I sense fear, fear to be a man. Yes you are right to be sensitive and perhaps this has served you very well in life but I feel you need some serious toughness. Does it really matter what an idiot thinks of you?


Even though I have contempt for stupid women. I don’t think its not impossible not to get laid in the U.S. You’re first mistake was that you cared too much about what women thought. Yes its Deangelo speaking but its also true to you’re realm. I can understand being rejected so many times but I think if you would’ve taken the approach of not giving a f**k you would’ve been better off or not. Lol. I know women have extreme low-self esteem. If you show too much interest no matter who you are they get scared and run away. You have to literally treat them like if they are some bug you want to get off your back. So many women hurt boys but mostly because they are hurt themselves. Pain creates pain. They didn’t have enough attention and were treated terrible by their parents and friends. They can only obsess about a man that emulates their father’s behavior and environment.

On another topic in the same women are cheap and easy. If you only knew how cheap women can be. It’s a lot easier to buy women off then to give one shit about them. By this I mean to screw, date, and have several women then to actually care, love, and have an intimate relationship. If Men knew how cheap women were they’d all follow the same tree? Buy yourself an ok nice car, have some nice cell phone and you’ll have a slut parade in your house. The trick is not to give a shit. Once you do, they smell it and you’re screwed.


You are very fortunate to have the vision to seek better women elsewhere. As you’ll find more quality.



I know a lot of Latin women and they are both easy and stupid. Attractive but also fake, skanky, and absolutely no intellect. Fun they could be but not for lifetime. Unless you are easily comforted. It seems you have some knowledge of South America. The problem with Brazil is that they are so superficial. There are few places that are very wealthy then the rest poor. A lot of people take plastic surgery. I also know STDs are rampant there. You should easily find whatever you’re looking for there but you can also have some problems. It all depends on who you know (which is very important) and how much you are willing to risk.



I don’t think you should worry too much about divorce. Don’t get marry or just get marry but either get to know the woman very well or be prepared if anything goes wrong that she will leave you. Whatever you do fear nothing on this subject. At least you got laid right? Lol.



I’ve never heard of the word manginas. I had to look it up and I now understand what you mean. One problem with you is that you worry about the competition, what others do, and think. Who gives a f**k! I really think you need to do some seriously bad things in your life to wake up and toughen up. I mean who gives a shit if all of the east coast goes to all of Brazil and spread like rabbits? You should worry more about yourself. Just because some rich Americans meet beautiful women in so and so places doesn’t mean you can’t get one and so what if some idiots steals your ideas. If in the end you get what you want the hell with everyone. Shit changes and its just the way it is. Don’t give a f**k.



It seems you need tricks, and schemes. For example you shouldn’t marry a woman for an exchange of a green card. There are very easy ways to avoid that. For example, lie. Tell her that you’re married to someone else and that you broke up with her but she wont give you divorce. If you notice that she’s only interested in you’re green card. Move on.

I also heavily advise you to travel in several countries in South America. It’s not as hard as it would seem. If you know some people and have some good money you can do anything. Those countries are poor and you could do miracles with a couple of $. You just need to understand you have to get your hands dirty.



Those are very sexy Ecuadorians. I’d bang all of them and that hooker looks extremely hot. I’m not sure if I’d pay for sex but she’s defiantly hot and I’d find one that looks like her.



Success rate of meeting women could be higher then 10% but if you pick your battles and you’re hot. Plus have a good game plan. Success rate goes higher. I don’t believe in the PUA and know its all B.S. you’ve said it best in other thread. p***y Cartel. Lol. Women are easy and shouldn’t have to make men lose their life to get a piece of their pie. They want dick and you have to give to them. Whether they want to or not. Be rough, hard, and harder. Women love a real hard guy. I know for a fact. They get off on the machismo. They date pussies but what they really want is a man to tame her ass.


For the average man who doesn’t spend his time wisely on how to con the con artist (women). They would have a closer percentage to what you said. Zero. It’s all a game and scam of cat and mouse. Either you’re a mice or a lion.


Women are flakes, cowards, hookers, stupid, idiots, bitches, and sluts. There is nothing you can do about it. You can either be a pimp, asshole, fagot, coward, macho, insensitive, motherf***er to get the p***y or find another job. There is nothing around it. Understand that. They don’t need you or want you, they can get any man they want any time. Its up to you really if you want to jump into her world if you have what it takes. Nothing else.


Women do make up their mind in 1 sec if they want to bang you or not. You can always persuade them but that’s also difficult. Just play the odds and be appealing. Don’t look like a 2 time loser and don’t talk too much. That’s 1 percent down to her p***y.
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Postby Adama » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:44 pm

Thanks for the Pep talk.

Much of this was way before David D. Even if I had been aware of him, I wouldnt subscribe to PUA.

It isnt just the fewer games with Foreign women. It is also they are still feminine, they believe in traditional roles (not cooking and clean, but meaning men can be men and women will be women, without them re-writing the rules to suit themselves like American women do).

The overall quality of Foreign women is so much higher that it'd be insanity to consider American women seriously once you've come to the realization.

It isnt just my inability to seal the deal either (I had been with A-women from the internet). In daily interactions with American women, I observe how they feel about others and people in general. It isnt pretty. They lack all feminine graces, expect the impossible, expecting things that are mutually exclusive to the rational mind, and dont have much empathy for others. They have "evolved" into true sociopaths. I subscribe to the "Grunt" school of thought on women. (Actually I did before I read him, but he states it here quite eloquently and I admire that.)

I will never jump through another hoop for some American woman. They can go f**k themselves. I dont even want to engage them in conversation anymore. I consider them to be that sociopathic. It's a mistake to invite a known sociopath into your life, and yes, every single last one of them!

Actually I have travelled in S.A. I've been to two countries there. Nice place. I havent been to Brazil or Colombia, but I want to go because of all the action that is there. No intention to marry one of them. Sluts are for sex, not marrying.

BTW, how many women have you had sex with abroad vs in North America? Since you asked me, I can ask you.
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After all the shit I wrote

Postby Master » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:24 am

Is that the best you got!!!!!!!!
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Postby Adama » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:33 am

I dont know what to say! I'm so confused right now. :?: :idea:
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Postby globetrotter » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:20 am

I do sense your weakness to be strong. I sense fear, fear to be a man.


Total horseshit. Never tear another man down.

I am 48 and only approach women who give me signs. These signs will decline as you get older and you are not surrounded by women who want to find a husband 24/7/365. This is normal and natural. But some women will give you signs and will sometimes approach you. You just need to act when you see that look in her eyes. Approaching every woman you see and shotgunning them is stupid. I used to be a DJ and even I got shot down sometimes and I turned down quite a few as I had gf's often.

PUA theory is shit and destroys self esteem. The above quote is in that vein.
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Be a Hard as NIGGA

Postby Master » Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:44 pm

Hmm....

I like yours sense of entitlement.


I do think PUA is shit garbage theories put in backwards and then forward to more shit. My line is not or will it ever be PUA. When I mentioned Deangelo speaking all I meant is that I agree with some of the things he says and that in that regard it would go with the situation that we were going over. Does it mean I follow his codes of shit or tell other to? No. A lot of his methods are taken from a lot of good sources that he just puts all together and credits himself. Meaning some of the stuff is good. Taken from science, data bases, and people that actually have success. Do I think he is a total scam? Absolutely. So, No I do not tell you to follow this greedy business man.




What I PERSONALLY say is, to get p***y you have to chase p***y.


A Man has to be to be ready to lose in life if he wants to win. To be fear of losing, punishment, pain, it’s to be fear to be a man. Life was never meant to be good, easy, loving, gay. It was meant to be hard, and real hard work. Sweat, agony, ambitious, hard. Like me.


To tear another man down is to try to help his weakness. Yes I tear down anyone I want for the purpose of a greater good. Things have to be teared down if they are lacking perfection. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID?


Only that I hit a nerve in you. I can see that you also need some Manning up to do. A DJ is a bitch that knows nothing of work or integrity. You wont know a foot from your ass surrounding yourself with such mimickery fagot shit. I personally despise fagot DJ's. They dont know anything about life, let alone woman. Do you get your nails done too? Your hair? What type of crap music do you follow?



At 48, I consider you a sissy and not a real man. When I talk down at someone is only to try to help them as well as I can. No pun intended to attack them personally. We should help each other for better or for good.


A Man that waits for a woman knows nothing of women, romance, passion, integrity, class, respect, role models, balls, and p***y. I have met many women that are desperate, misguided, and hurt. To say these women are worth my time is an insult. I am not a consulter, dad, friend, parent. I am a man and I need a woman. Woman that approach guys don’t have class. You'll find serious fault in such a woman. Let me ask you something? From all the loose women you met in your DJing fagotory crap, how many were classy?

I dont think you need to necessarily approach every f***ing women out there. But I do think you should take the initiative and use what god gave you. Don’t wuss out and wait for the woman to make the move. How many women have you missed out on? Even in these boards where some of these guys can't get a piece of ass such a statement would be considered an insult.


Why are you so worried about protecting your self-esteem? Are you that weak that a woman can easily break you? A stranger? What if because you were so chicken shit you missed out on meeting the best woman of your life?
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Re: Be a Hard as NIGGA

Postby Adama » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:56 pm

Master wrote:Hmm....

I like yours sense of entitlement.


I do think PUA is shit garbage theories put in backwards and then forward to more shit. My line is not or will it ever be PUA. When I mentioned Deangelo speaking all I meant is that I agree with some of the things he says and that in that regard it would go with the situation that we were going over. Does it mean I follow his codes of shit or tell other to? No. A lot of his methods are taken from a lot of good sources that he just puts all together and credits himself. Meaning some of the stuff is good. Taken from science, data bases, and people that actually have success. Do I think he is a total scam? Absolutely. So, No I do not tell you to follow this greedy business man.




What I PERSONALLY say is, to get p***y you have to chase p***y.


A Man has to be to be ready to lose in life if he wants to win. To be fear of losing, punishment, pain, it’s to be fear to be a man. Life was never meant to be good, easy, loving, gay. It was meant to be hard, and real hard work. Sweat, agony, ambitious, hard. Like me.


To tear another man down is to try to help his weakness. Yes I tear down anyone I want for the purpose of a greater good. Things have to be teared down if they are lacking perfection. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID?


Only that I hit a nerve in you. I can see that you also need some Manning up to do. A DJ is a bitch that knows nothing of work or integrity. You wont know a foot from your ass surrounding yourself with such mimickery fagot shit. I personally despise fagot DJ's. They dont know anything about life, let alone woman. Do you get your nails done too? Your hair? What type of crap music do you follow?



At 48, I consider you a sissy and not a real man. When I talk down at someone is only to try to help them as well as I can. No pun intended to attack them personally. We should help each other for better or for good.


A Man that waits for a woman knows nothing of women, romance, passion, integrity, class, respect, role models, balls, and p***y. I have met many women that are desperate, misguided, and hurt. To say these women are worth my time is an insult. I am not a consular, dad, friend, parent. I am a man and I need a woman. Woman that approach guys don’t have class. You'll find serious fault in such a woman. Let me ask you something? From all the loose women you met in your DJing fagotory crap, how many were classy?

I dont think you need to necessarily approach ever f***ing women out there. But I do think you should take the initiative and use what god gave you. Don’t wuss out and wait for the women to make the move. How many women have you missed out on? Even in these boards where some of these guys cant get a piece of ass such a statement would be considered an insult.


Why are you so worried about protecting your self-esteem? Are you that weak that a woman can easily break you? A stranger? What if because you were so chicken shit you missed out on meeting the best woman of your life?


Master, I honestly think you dont know as much as you are trying to lead us to believe. Really, you are talking out of your ass, and you are disrespecting members here.
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