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Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?

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Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?

Postby Banano » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:39 pm

Im looking for good arguments here

I thought about this for a while...i would like to hear what HA community stands on this one

Should REAL man be paying for p***y?Is paying for p***y for Beta losers?
Pros and cons

I want you to think about this one before you write
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Postby S_Parc » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:39 pm

I'd already posted on this subject indefinitely.

This time, I leave it with my bank experience

My final message on this matter is that if one is on the road; and yes, in a place not within easy driving distance from one's home. It's a type of conference setting and women from around the country and the world are there. There's a lot of alcohol and flirting going on... if you warm up to a cutie, take the plunge and enjoy the business travel. She'll be back in the "southwest" and you, in the "northeast" (or vice versa depending upon geography), and everything will be forgotten the following week. This is the ONLY place where I won't "pay" for it, in terms of hard currency, not pitchers of Margaritas.
16 years ago, the Best Picture of 1999, "American Beauty", telegraphed the message of Happier Abroad to the world.

Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.
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Postby Billy » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:23 pm

i also thought about it myself. i wanted to do it just for the principle but only in the right place like thailand or something. anyway i didn´t do it so far though i have no girl at hand. But maybe i am to old and to narcistic or just a cheap charlie :)

sometimes i think sex is overrated. but who knows? bottom line: i am not against it when the price is reasonable. i am still excited if i am going to do it. i have no idea. guess! am i going to pay? :)

and wtf is a real man?
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Postby Banano » Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:47 pm

problem i have with paying for p***y is that by paying you are acknowledging that her p***y has more value than your cock

you both received pleasure from experience but she gained money on top and you lost money


she will feel superior than yourself,

its important for a man to be able to pick them up for free and bang them,
paying them it just reinforces belief that their vagina is gold ..i dont wanna give them that satisfaction, your cock should be prize


im not gonna even go into quality of sex when its free,
when woman really gets her panties wet bc of you is very different to when you just pay for it and she fakes everyhting

Real man=man who gets is for free,pump and dump,next one pls.rooshv style
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Postby S_Parc » Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:54 pm

Billy wrote:and wtf is a real man?


This thread has this, as an undercurrent, "Need to belong. Need to fit in and seek mainstream approval", like many of the OP's other comments on various topics, including getting plastic surgery to look like a male model which points to an inability to be comfortable in one's own skin, unless the majority of the society around oneself gives one a seal of approval.

I'd even conjecture that the reasons why so many men are paying for single moms' kids, nowadays, tie back to the type of thinking underlying this thread.

All and all, if one wants to pursue AWs in one's backyard, then by all means, please feel free to do so. In fact, much of society will laud you for it, so therefore, it's *OK* and culturally sanctioned. Just don't be too surprised if false rape charges are filed against you one day and/or you find yourself raising someone else's child.
16 years ago, the Best Picture of 1999, "American Beauty", telegraphed the message of Happier Abroad to the world.

Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.
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Re: Why MAN shd NOT be paying for sex?

Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:58 pm

Banano wrote:Im looking for good arguments here

I thought about this for a while...i would like to hear what HA community stands on this one

Should REAL man be paying for p***y?

This is a perennial question that Ovid asked more that 2000 years ago. In and of itself, there probably is no rational basis for thinking that men should pay for sex. It is just that the meme seems to work for human civilization. Because men have the most to give in terms of their mental and physical capability, it is desirable for a society to give them a raw deal by way of extracting far more from them than it gives them. The rationing of breeding rights to extract labor from men is a valuable auxiliary to the rationing of other resources in this regard. Where this is not done and men are either given sex for nothing or are not given sex no matter what they do, they become lazy and indifferent and the society suffers, as is happening now. There is not much point in rationing sex to women, as they don’t have much to offer society other than sex and related services. As to why the idea persists, it is a kind of self fulfilling prophecy of the market place, much like beachfront property being overvalued - it works because people believe it and people believe it because it works. As to whether you should buy into the idea or not, whatever works for you.
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Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:22 pm

Banano wrote:Real man=man who gets is for free,pump and dump,next one pls.rooshv style

Traditionally the men of the highest perceived quality were those of such hunting, fighting or other prowess that females would gravitate towards them to enjoy their protection and the surplus or resources they generated, and as a side effect these men would get to use the females sexually. So in a sense it is natural for men to pay for sex. Seducers were regarded as vermin. As to taking advice from Roosh as to what constitutes a real man, jeez, look at the guy.
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Postby Rayn » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:08 am

I just laugh at people who are trying to get sex for free nowadays.

They think they can skip the whole paying thing if they simply ignore prostitutes and go for regular girls. But they end up shelling out cash anyway when they buy girls drinks at the bar, buy clothes to look good, attend stupid PUA seminars, pay for night club entrance fees, pay for gas to go on stupid dates for casual sex, etc, etc.

The whole lump sum is actually much higher than the cost of simply going to an escort. Not to mention the very low chance of scoring which means you have to keep repeating it with a huge number of women which further multiplies the cost by several times fold.

Who are they fooling really when they try to chase this stupid dream of casual sex for free?
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Postby C.J. » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:21 am

Cornfed wrote:Traditionally the men of the highest perceived quality were those of such hunting, fighting or other prowess that females would gravitate towards them to enjoy their protection and the surplus or resources they generated, and as a side effect these men would get to use the females sexually. So in a sense it is natural for men to pay for sex. Seducers were regarded as vermin. As to taking advice from Roosh as to what constitutes a real man, jeez, look at the guy.

Exactly. Whle females have the most to gain from a relationship with a man, it's only because males had what they wanted. So we could choose at our leisure, and there were no guarantees for the suitors.
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Postby fschmidt » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:04 am

The Bible recommends prostitution:

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Do not lust in your heart after her beauty
or let her captivate you with her eyes.
For a prostitute can be had for a loaf of bread
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Proverbs 6:25-26

(Note that the forum software changed some of the words, the Bible apparently containing unacceptable content.)
Following the Old Testament, not evil modern culture
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Postby Tsar » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:08 am

In my opinion a man that pays for sex is demonstrating he is weaker because he has to pay for something other men can get for free or earned. It's also about the value of the woman he is sleeping with. If the woman has been with dozens or hundreds of men, it's like the man is lowering his pride sleeping with her. I wouldn't ever pay for sex and never would I have sex with a whore.

Most relationships are based of men being a provider but that isn't the same thing as paying. Providing and giving gifts to a young woman worthy of marriage (traditionally a virgin) isn't the same thing as paying a whore for sex. It's a matter of pride.

It's up to the individual man to determine what paying for sex means for him and how it relates to his life. Is it because he's lonely and has no women so it's all about despair and wanting something that gives momentary highs only to go back to being empty? Is it about a little short-term fun similar to people who go spend their money gambling?

Either way, I think the traditional views of personal pride and sex with a worthy woman are the path to fulfillment with love and a happy relationship.
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Postby Tsar » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:13 am

fschmidt wrote:The Bible recommends p4p:

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Do not lust in your heart after her beauty
or let her captivate you with her eyes.
For a hoe can be had for a loaf of bread
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Proverbs 6:25-26

(Note that the forum software changed some of the words, the Bible apparently containing unacceptable content.)


This describes how the Bible's view on prostitution and it doesn't recommend it: http://www.gotquestions.org/prostitution.html


Some of Proverbs 6:25-26 is missing. (final line: but another man’s wife preys on your very life).
Source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

It's message is informing men not to lust after another man's wife and commit adultery. It's basically saying that adultery is worse than visiting brothels to sleep with prostitutes.
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Postby Cornfed » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:18 am

Tsar wrote:Either way, I think the traditional views of personal pride and sex with a worthy woman are the path to fulfillment with love and a happy relationship.

P4P is part of the traditional worldview. Traditionally husbands would have sex with hoes every now and then to spice up their marriages.
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Postby S_Parc » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:20 am

Tsar wrote:It's basically saying that adultery is worse than visiting brothels to sleep with hoes.


Yes, but adultery is legal and for the most part, is what goes on at conferences etc, whereas brothels are illegal in America. And thus, I don't care for the abject hypocrisy of AWs. When it works for 'em, it's sanctioned by the law but when it's not, they criminalize it.
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Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.
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Re: Why MAN shd NOT be paying for sex?

Postby Teal Lantern » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:24 am

Banano wrote:Im looking for good arguments here

I thought about this for a while...i would like to hear what HA community stands on this one

Should REAL man be paying for p***y?Is paying for p***y for Beta losers?
Pros and cons

I want you to think about this one before you write


The willingness of "beta losers" to put forth their best efforts at inventing/working/fighting/defending in order to acquire/protect resources to exchange for female "attentions" is the driving force that built modern civilization.

When past pre-civilizations that were Matriarchal or "egalitarian" or some other B.S. met on the battlefield against a Patriarchal foe, they got their asses thoroughly kicked.

Should "Real" men trade skill/labor/cash to pay for a house, clothing, food, or anything else? Yes.
Unless you think someone else is obligated to provide the things you want, just because you're pretty....
... but, we call those people "women". :wink:
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