Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?

[Contrarian Expatriate]

There are two reasons why men should NOT resort to prostitutes:

1. The risk of STD is VERY high and I'm not only speaking of HIV which is relatively difficult to contract. HPV which causes genital warts is far more common than HIV and it can pass from SKIN on SKIN contact! Women of the night are notoriously infectious or carriers of crabs, lice, and other unwelcome organisms. Don't be fooled by clean-looking high class types either, they are often carriers as well.

2. It is usually a criminal offense. Responsible men should never willingly commit criminal offenses that could jeopardize their freedom or financial well-being. If you are in a place where prostitution is legal, this is not an issue of course.

3. The purchase sex is often considered exploitation of women. In actuality, it is the men's natural inclinations which are being exploited to siphon money from them. Most sexual relations are transactional to some extent. However, the purchase of sex reduces it to a monetary transaction where men pay far more than they should without receiving anything more than coital contact.

The better option would be to develop relationships with poor women abroad who like you for what you represent and not for your money only. The full benefit of a relationship is possible that way, and men are better off in the end.

[Array9]

Women are not really that difficult to talk to. Will you get turned down sometimes, yes.

Winston said he asked out hundreds of women when he was living in the US and got rejected HUNDREDS of times. It's hard to keep asking out women when you get rejected almost every time.

Adding insult to injury, Winston said even fat girls and ugly girls turned him down. This in turn caused his self esteem to go into the toilet.

I don't know Winston personally but maybe he was coming across to them as a nice guy. AW are, for the most part, turned off by this. AW are looking for sex and security. Bad boys provide this to AW. AW are looking for a guy with an edge. Boring guys will not get dates in America. A woman knows whether she will sleep with a guy within a few seconds of meeting him.

Let us remember that AW are crazy. Even guys with criminal records get good looking women

[S_Parc]

The better option would be to develop relationships with poor women abroad who like you for what you represent and not for your money only. The full benefit of a relationship is possible that way, and men are better off in the end.

Well, any strategy, which doesn't involve having AW locusts circling around one's home territory, is a good one in my book

As for the esc@rt scene up in Montreal City, many of 'em are French-Canadian students in the jr colleges or universities. In essence, this is the way for them to be earning a regular Canadian full time salary, w/o needing to take much time off, from their school work or social life. Some of the graduates have stayed in it, long term, instead of working a regular career.

The Quebec pay scale, on the whole, is less than that of a white collar person in Boston, NYC, or DC and the good career tracks up there, aren't all that plentiful. I remember one preferring to be an esc@rt over a paralegal or financial adviser because the pay in the latter areas were weak. Since Canadian guys have to actually work at these lines, I can't say that the women are really being exploited. It's more that they're now self-employed at a higher rate and for less work.

[ringspun]

I just laugh at people who are trying to get sex for free nowadays.

They think they can skip the whole paying thing if they simply ignore hoes and go for regular girls. But they end up shelling out cash anyway when they buy girls drinks at the bar, buy clothes to look good, attend stupid PUA seminars, pay for night club entrance fees, pay for gas to go on stupid dates for casual sex, etc, etc.

The whole lump sum is actually much higher than the cost of simply going to an escort. Not to mention the very low chance of scoring which means you have to keep repeating it with a huge number of women which further multiplies the cost by several times fold.

Who are they fooling really when they try to chase this stupid dream of casual sex for free?

Rayn is so right! I took a girl out a while ago cost me 3 meals £90 UK Pounds, I went to Thailand last year and screwed 4 girls for that, all of whom were fitter better and a lot nicer all round!

Also the "Alpha" male who thinks he is gods gift, often ends up p***y whipped and with no money, trust me I see this a lot, all the guys in my town who always got the girl, are all poor now cos of divorce, child support and they don't usually go anywhere abroad as no money, just hanging at the same places I was 20 years ago!

[S_Parc]

Rayn is so right! I took a girl out a while ago cost me 3 meals £90 UK Pounds, I went to Thailand last year and screwed 4 girls for that, all of whom were fitter better and a lot nicer all round!

But more important, the time/energy spent. I mean I don't have a problem with spending money, if it means having a good time with friends. But the time/energy is better spent on either business or additional education/training than a bunch of skanks.

no money, trust me I see this a lot, all the guys in my town who always got the girl, are all poor now cos of divorce, child support and they don't usually go anywhere abroad as no money, just hanging at the same places I was 20 years ago!

Yup, just read that blurp, on the last page, about my old college pal.

[ringspun]

I do agree, yes energy too... I dated a girl for around 9 months a year or so ago, it drained me not only of some money (as I don't give it out easy) but time, energy and listening to endless bullshit about her family and her problems and her this and her that!

When I finished with her, I was relieved and felt a lot better, since then I have been single and just traveling.

[OutWest]

Women are not really that difficult to talk to. Will you get turned down sometimes, yes.

Winston said he asked out hundreds of women when he was living in the US and got rejected HUNDREDS of times. It's hard to keep asking out women when you get rejected almost every time.

Adding insult to injury, Winston said even fat girls and ugly girls turned him down. This in turn caused his self esteem to go into the toilet.

I don't know Winston personally but maybe he was coming across to them as a nice guy. AW are, for the most part, turned off by this. AW are looking for sex and security. Bad boys provide this to AW. AW are looking for a guy with an edge. Boring guys will not get dates in America. A woman knows whether she will sleep with a guy within a few seconds of meeting him.

Let us remember that AW are crazy. Even guys with criminal records get good looking women

From the movie Spanglish...

"Honey, lately your low self-esteem is just good common sense."

[OutWest]

There are two reasons why men should NOT resort to hoes:

1. The risk of STD is VERY high and I'm not only speaking of HIV which is relatively difficult to contract. HPV which causes genital warts is far more common than HIV and it can pass from SKIN on SKIN contact! hoes are notoriously infectious or carriers of crabs, lice, and other unwelcome organisms. Don't be fooled by clean-looking high class hoes either, they are often carriers as well.

2. It is usually a criminal offense. Responsible men should never willingly commit criminal offenses that could jeopardize their freedom or financial well-being. If you are in a place where p4p is legal, this is not an issue of course.

3. p4p is often considered exploitation of women. In actuality, it is the men's natural inclinations which are being exploited to siphon money from them. Most sexual relations are transactional to some extent. However, p4p reduces it to a monetary transaction where men pay far more than they should without receiving anything more than coital contact.

The better option would be to develop relationships with poor women abroad who like you for what you represent and not for your money only. The full benefit of a relationship is possible that way, and men are better off in the end.

Your advice is way too sensible, so folks here must ignore it.

[Banano]

Array9, good points


i had many one night stands, when woman like you she just likes you, when in the club she isnt after your $$, maybe drink or 2 tops

there are certain type of guys or alphas that all women like and they never pay...
you can give 1000 buck to a hooker but you wont get her panties wet, she will give you sex and pretend you are someone else...thats not what you want..doesnt put smile on your face

if you never picked up in da club and you never had wild sex back at your/her place, backseat of your car ..you willnever know the feeling;pure lust, wild sex


AW dont like nice introvert guys, i can see that..it wont get you anywhere, nice guys are boring..she wants this high energy dude,
women want to see crazy side in you, they want to feel high emotions, good or bad....good guy is clueless abt these things ..such guys make pussies dry...


women look down on guys who pay for sex

[Banano]

As a man who has done plenty of clubbing in my younger days, I would say heck NO. Men should never exchange money for sex. Most of my friends are females so I based my opinions on what I see. Women treat certain men differently. The bad boys and players and looked up to and desired by MANY women. From my experience, women only charge men that they don't like. If you are in shape and look good, you can easily get a woman. With that said, when a man pays for sex he is telling the woman that he is INFERIOR to her. He puts her on a pedestal. This in turn creates MONSTERS out of women. Women have no respect for a man that pays for sex. Women know that they can be bitchy because a SIMP will do anything to be next to her.

Women are not really that difficult to talk to. Will you get turned down sometimes? Yes, but successful men have short memories.

Bad boys, players and men that respect themselves don't pay for sex.

People should read this post..5 times ..at least

Once you give money to women she will never respect you and other women will sense weakness in you.
I stopped payin Thai women and now I have 3-4 i could bang anytime for free if I want to, some of them even have falang bfs that send them money ..how cool or sad is that?

I dont bang them as Im focusing on whities(russians in particular) but option is there, you got to start respecting yourself and women will pick up on it


I stopped doing thai hookers cause I thought to myself: "fuk , im not gonna pay 1 cent to these big-mouth-round-head-uneducated Isaan women, they shd be paying me as im better than them'....

i never looked back

[Cornfed]

This idea that we should look up to the men (mostly scumbags) who are getting lots of free sex from Western skanks is extremely silly. The West is now a totalitarian state where almost all resources are a free good supplied automatically by the system. Therefore what resources people have access to, including sex, is largely a matter of what the powers that be want them to have. Thinking some scumbag who happens to be the type of scum the PTW wants skanks to have sex with at the moment is some kind of relationship expert makes as much sense as thinking some sheboon hired on an affirmative action basis and paid a fortune to sit in a government office texting her friends all day is a financial expert. If the PTB wanted skanks to have sex with albino dwarves then all they would have to do is promote the idea that it was already happening through the media and in no time albino dwarves would be getting lots of tail. Would that mean that they were strong and interesting while men who weren't albino dwarves were weak and boring?

The other thing strange thing is this obsession with what skanks supposedly think of you. Do you think a true alpha male would give a rat's ass about what airhead skanks supposedly think? Would Charlemagne have cared what his bondmaids thought about him when he f***ed them or regarded himself as a loser because he was paying for it by providing them with food and lodging? If one of his paladins had said how great it was that females "liked him for him" or other weaksause nonsense he would likely have decapitated the guy immediately. If you are able to get free sex with skanks without any negative ramifications (or so you think) then good for you, but there is no need to delusionally aggrandize yourself.

[S_Parc]

The other thing strange thing is this obsession with what skanks supposedly think of you. Do you think a true alpha male would give a rat's a** about what airhead skanks supposedly think? Would Charlemagne have cared what his bondmaids thought about him when he f***ed them or regarded himself as a loser because he was paying for it by providing them with food and lodging? If one of his paladins had said how great it was that females "liked him for him" or other weaksause nonsense he would likely have decapitated the guy immediately.

I concur, no one should give a rat's @ss about what an AW thinks.

[Adama]

I've taken the Montreal route. Twice last year. The problem with MTL is that you can walk into a strip club, but most of the women arent too attractive. With escort services, when they arrive, they may be unattractive as well, and then you are stuck. With the backpage ladies, well the last time I drove up there I didnt bring a laptop. I wrote down about 30 different numbers from Montreal backpage and took it with me to MTL. Within 24 hours, none of those girls answered. None. So these are women who arent really full time.

I did meet a sweet French girl last May. She was very nice. By the time I got back up there, she too had changed her phone number.

It is also still expensive, especially now with the weak USD. When I was a kid 15 years ago I would drive up there and p***y was a bargain.



It must be the niceguy thing, cause I have never gotten laid for free within the US borders. Lost my virginity to a sex worker. She must have been 50 y/o pretending to be 27.

As for being good looking and in-shape, for many years I around 9% bodyfat. Had women staring at me, smiling and flirting. Many different approach invitations from women. Go up to them and they say they have a boyfriend. This has happened countless times, at least 50 or more women have said that to me in the past 10 years.

Just last month I had a woman who, whenever I would see her, would say aloud, "There's my boyfriend." Upon seeing her the next time, I asked her for her phone number and she says, "I have to find out some more about you first!" ???

This wasnt some teeny bopper bimbo either. This is a woman >30 years old who claimed she went to church weekly.

Repeat that scenario times another 100. I have had jobs where literally every girl would eventually mosey her way over to me and turn on the charm, from invading my personal space to outright asking me if I wanted to be with them. Whenever I would "bite" it would be over, and the women would pretend as if I was a loser. And then they would badmouth me to coworkers as to the reason they turned me down. Basically these women turned me into a loser if you think about the reputation I made for being turned down by so many.

American women are f***ed up. I doubt that anyone could ever pinpoint the exact cause of their major dysfunction, but if it were up to me to guess, I'd say they are seriously spoiled rotten, combined with a complete disrespect for men and masculinity, penchant for assholes and bad boys, and ironically terribly low self esteem and insecurity.

Take the Russian men for example. They are known for being womanizers, etc. Some of the American men who've been there say that the way they treat their women (cheating, etc) reminds them of how AWs are. That is to say, this is what happens when you spoil someone rotten. AW need to be removed from their pedestal. All affirmative action laws need to be removed, child support needs to depend on actual expensive, not calculated and should be 50/50, not 100% by the man, and divorce settlements should depend on the exact amount each party brought into the marriage, not a 50/50 split because marriage is not a business transaction but a promise before God.

[S_Parc]

I'm sorry Adama that you didn't have a good time in Montreal QC. I guess I'd made some associations up there with providers and thus, I didn't seem to have trouble getting attractive ones to visit.

[S_Parc]

For those who think that "ghosting" is a waste, let me highlight how this Sunday went ...

I'd studied 4 chapters in a technical book

I did the following activities: Tai Chi/Qi Gong, Medicine ball workout, & exercise bike.
Met up with some friends at a brunch buffet. We had a blast but drank a few too many Martinis. Oh well, took a cab home

I sobered up, and then did some work with a client, possibly related to a bigger project down the road. That'll be invoiced as 3 hours for basically just a short consultation.

I then went to a take-out Mediterranean place. Over there, there was an attractive Greek-American woman with beautiful eyes. We'd flirted for a bit (her Boston Massachusetts accent gave it away that she was local and not a newcomer), and after few giggles and laughs, she rewarded me with an extra piece of Baklava.

Do I care whether or not she thinks that I'm gay or straight and whether or not there's potential there for anything? Nope.
When I got back, I then shared one of the Baklava pieces with a neighbor, a fan of near eastern desserts.

And in the mist of the above, I was able to respond to this HA thread.

So all and all, it was a successful weekend day. I had a chance to both unwind and get some productive work in. This only happened when I'd gone cold turkey on having women in my orbit.