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Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?

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Postby Banano » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:16 pm

'American women are f***ed up. I doubt that anyone could ever pinpoint the exact cause of their major dysfunction'

its all the options they have,
Russian men are the same as AW...take away all these options and their attitude would change accordingly

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Postby Teal Lantern » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:41 am

S_Parc wrote:I didn't want to belabor this point too much but here's an interesting contrast. I'm in my mid-30s today. A good college pal of mine, we're both the same age now, took different tacts in life.

Granted like me, he was relatively smart & hard working and thus, ended up with a lot of the right jobs after school, however, he took a different tact, concerning women. While I was looking for monogamy, with the right FW abroad during my late 20s, he was chasing all the AW skanks, including new arrivals from South America, throughout the northeast corridor. Well today, he's marveled at my discipline and how I've kept it together. He's currently paying for childcare and has even gotten two harassment suits from AWs. He's been either dating or b*inking a woman, ever week, for the past decade or more. If I were to suddenly drop out of the workforce, I've got over a decade and half of savings to live on; in contrast, he's got a month. He's a great pal (unlike Manginas, he sticks up for men), however, I'd never want to exchange places with him.


Plus, your house is quiet, your cash is yours to spend (or NOT) how you want, and your stuff stays right the frick where you put it.
I don't get why the chasers have such a problem with the ghosts, anyway. Each time one man ghosts, he (statistically) frees up another woman for the chasers.

Looking down the road at how things turn out for many Alfalfas ... oops ... Alphas, I think I've chosen the better path.
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Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:31 am

S_Parc wrote: My final message on this matter is that if one is on the road; and yes, in a place not within easy driving distance from one's home. It's a type of conference setting and women from around the country and the world are there. There's a lot of alcohol and flirting going on... if you warm up to a cutie, take the plunge and enjoy the business travel. She'll be back in the "southwest" and you, in the "northeast" (or vice versa depending upon geography), and everything will be forgotten the following week. This is the ONLY place where I won't "pay" for it, in terms of hard currency, not pitchers of Margaritas.

That would of course be a form of p4p on the company account, since most corporate females have no meaningful function other than as hoes.
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Postby jamesbond » Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:29 am

Banano wrote:'American women are f***ed up. I doubt that anyone could ever pinpoint the exact cause of their major dysfunction'

its all the options they have,
Russian men are the same as AW...take away all these options and their attitude would change accordingly

human nature


That's true, studies show that the more options a person has, the pickier they become. Women in America get asked out at least 100 times a year. If she is good looking, she could get asked out at least 200 times each year.

If she uses online dating, she will get thousands of guys sending her messages every year!

No wonder women in the USA are so picky about what guys they go out with, they have lot's of options!
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Postby Andrewww » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:21 pm

Everyone pays for it. You buy expensive car/apartment/jewelry etc to impress women, that's money you wasted on a probability of getting laid. Then you account for meals, drinks, show tickets, clothes etc and lastly your time which has the most value. Spend 4 days/week in a bar vs get educated 4 days/week so you can make more money, that's also a cost right there.

Escorts are a convenient, safe bet. You get what you pay for, you save time and you can focus on other priorities. There's nothing "beta" about it. "Beta" men don't go to escorts, they suck up to the typical AW.
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Postby jamesbond » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:35 pm

Andrewww wrote:Everyone pays for it. You buy expensive car/apartment/jewelry etc to impress women, that's money you wasted on a probability of getting laid. Then you account for meals, drinks, show tickets, clothes etc and lastly your time which has the most value. Spend 4 days/week in a bar vs get educated 4 days/week so you can make more money, that's also a cost right there.

Escorts are a convenient, safe bet. You get what you pay for, you save time and you can focus on other priorities. There's nothing "beta" about it. "Beta" men don't go to escorts, they suck up to the typical AW.

I agree, I would just rather got to a whore and get laid rather than learn a bunch of "pick up" techniques, then go to bars and clubs every weekend in hopes of getting some phone numbers.

Then, as David Deangleo said, for every 10 phone numbers you get, you will have a date with one or two of those women. All that time, money and energy just to get some phone numbers and maybe eventually dates and if your lucky eventually get laid.

In the US, play for pay is illegal, if I was living in a country where play for play was legal, I would be visiting them on a regular basis.

Going to whores gives you the most "bang for your buck" instead of going to bars and clubs and learning a bunch of PUA techniques.
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Postby E_Irizarry » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:17 pm

Banano wrote:problem i have with paying for p***y is that by paying you are acknowledging that her p***y has more value than your cock

you both received pleasure from experience but she gained money on top and you lost money


she will feel superior than yourself,

its important for a man to be able to pick them up for free and bang them,
paying them it just reinforces belief that their v****a is gold ..i dont wanna give them that satisfaction, your cock should be prize


im not gonna even go into quality of sex when its free,
when woman really gets her panties wet bc of you is very different to when you just pay for it and she fakes everyhting

Real man=man who gets is for free,pump,next one pls.rooshv style


What you said. BTW, thank you for acknowledging me per bold. ;-0 (but I don't usually dump foreign women nor do they usually dump me, but stateside, they dump me more than I dump them)
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Postby E_Irizarry » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:26 pm

Guys, in addendum, let's remember that p4p is not bad when there is a tersely time constraint!!

E.g. let's say that you work as a Oracle 11i/SQL Server 2008 R2 DBA (database adminstrator "Hi Momopi" j/k!). You trained a subordinate on the job, by permission, to take over and to be ad-hocly texted/called in case the databases are not mirroring over properly and/or they aren't they aren't clustered properly when in case a dedicated database server goes down (even for a moment). Now at this point, you have earned a weeks worth of vacation time although you don't speak Spanish and plan to go to a Latin American country for only a week, you mean to tell me he's weak for p4p and he has no time stateside working 60-65 hour weeks for the last year and doesn't know Spanish and wants to get his d.ick wet for that little time period??!!??!??! Ha. I'd say, Mr. Momopi, go for it and be that "weak" dude to have a Bedrock "G. o' timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmme!".
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Postby E_Irizarry » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:45 pm

OutWest wrote:
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:There are two reasons why men should NOT resort to hoes:

1. The risk of STD is VERY high and I'm not only speaking of HIV which is relatively difficult to contract. HPV which causes genital warts is far more common than HIV and it can pass from SKIN on SKIN contact! hoes are notoriously infectious or carriers of crabs, lice, and other unwelcome organisms. Don't be fooled by clean-looking high class hoes either, they are often carriers as well.

2. It is usually a criminal offense. Responsible men should never willingly commit criminal offenses that could jeopardize their freedom or financial well-being. If you are in a place where p4p is legal, this is not an issue of course.

3. p4p is often considered exploitation of women. In actuality, it is the men's natural inclinations which are being exploited to siphon money from them. Most sexual relations are transactional to some extent. However, p4p reduces it to a monetary transaction where men pay far more than they should without receiving anything more than coital contact.

The better option would be to develop relationships with poor women abroad who like you for what you represent and not for your money only. The full benefit of a relationship is possible that way, and men are better off in the end.



Your advice is way too sensible, so folks here must ignore it.


Speak for yourself, Mr. Mindanao. LOL J/k! But seriously, I don't have deaf ears for it to fall on because I take heed to the creed. Why do you think I get pro's and non-pro's abroad by keeping all this in mind?!?!?
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Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:39 pm

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:There are two reasons why men should NOT resort to hoes:

1. The risk of STD is VERY high and I'm not only speaking of HIV which is relatively difficult to contract.

These days you would probably be more likely to catch STDs from the average bar skank or corporate whore than hoes in a well run brothel or escort agency.

2. It is usually a criminal offense. Responsible men should never willingly commit criminal offenses that could jeopardize their freedom or financial well-being.

Just about anything you do in the West can be construed as a criminal offense. Obviously you should be careful, but constantly running scared from the pigs is why bad guys now have all the fun.

However, the purchase of sex reduces it to a monetary transaction where men pay far more than they should without receiving anything more than coital contact.

That is part of the appeal. You are not just paying the hoe to stay for sex. You are paying her to STFU and leave afterwards.
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Postby mand38 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:23 pm

"Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?"

I see only one reason: Because there is so much girls who are want sex for pleasure not for money,so why you should pay? (or me?, or anybody?)

Except seniors,in their case I think it is OK to pay ... juts my $0.02
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Postby Ghost » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:50 pm

mand38 wrote:"Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?"

I see only one reason: Because there is so much girls who are want sex for pleasure not for money,so why you should pay? (or me?, or anybody?)

Except seniors,in their case I think it is OK to pay ... juts my $0.02


Women don't want sex for pleasure unless it's "alpha" dick. Most guys aren't considered "alphas" so they don't get laid for free. (And even alphas pay, just not with money. Sex is never a truly free good.) P4p is history tested as the only reliable way to satisfy the needs of men without turning the culture corrupt. Modern day slut culture means normal women become corrupted, and men become scum to chase women that are scum. And most men don't get to f**k sluts anyway. Most men are not "alpha" and are invisible to women.
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Re: Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?

Postby skeptic » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:35 am

Banano wrote:Im looking for good arguments here

I thought about this for a while...i would like to hear what HA community stands on this one

Should REAL man be paying for p***y?Is paying for p***y for Beta losers?
Pros and cons

I want you to think about this one before you write


In addition to the fact that it's obviusly wrong religoiusly, I would add the following. By paying for sex, men virtually submit themselves to women as sexually superior. If prostitution was fully legalized, and the stigma associated with it was completely removed, it would give women an additional source of income that is unavailable to men (for the most part, at least). You don't want to do this kind of favor to women. Therefore, I'm glad that American society has not gone that far. Australia and some European nations are worse in that respect.
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Re: Why MEN should NOT be paying for sex?

Postby Cornfed » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:18 am

skeptic wrote:In addition to the fact that it's obviusly wrong religoiusly, I would add the following. By paying for sex, men virtually submit themselves to women as sexually superior. If p4p was fully legalized, and the stigma associated with it was completely removed, it would give women an additional source of income that is unavailable to men (for the most part, at least). You don't want to do this kind of favor to women. Therefore, I'm glad that American society has not gone that far. Australia and some European nations are worse in that respect.

I can see your point, but you have been proven wrong by thousands of years of human history. Why dispute that?
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Postby Adama » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:50 am

Skeptic is wrong here. Keeping prostitution illegal only enriches American women. Just like with drugs, when something is illegal, the price is artificially high, and the supply is low. If AW were allowed to legally do it, all of the high school drop out women would join brothels and the price would plummet.

But I see no need to enrich AW period. They hate men. There is no need to pay them or support them. In addition, if you pay an AW for sex, you are getting an inferior product. Bait and switch with photos, terrible attitude problems, unaccommodating experiences, and worn out v a ginas.
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