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I'm a Man that is very, very angry at the state of Western women. I know this website is Happier Abroad, and believe me, I am working on that, but at the moment I am stuck in this horrible country known as US.
I reached my breaking point the other day, I was out riding my bike on an Ocean trail when I saw a girl I thought looked attractive. While my instincts urged me to act differently, the "Nice guy" program inside of my head asserted itself- FOR THE VERY LAST TIME. I saw her coming and stopped my bike a few feet from her, I told her " I just wanted to stop and let you know that I think you are a very beautiful woman."
Her reaction? A combination look of anger, fear, distrust, unappreciative- She did not say "Thank You" She merely sidestepped me, giving me an awkward "okaaay" , keeping a paranoid eye on me until she had gone a safe distance to continue her walk.
Now I didn't approach her badly- I was confident, friendly, a big smile- i wanted to pay her a compliment- well I paid that price.
I suppose I could wait until i get to another country to start seeing women again, or I could "ghost"- but until I do find myself in south america, I have decided to make American Women's lives as hellish as they have made mine.
I don't care anymore about the "feelings" of American Women, i will no longer offer the new women I meet the benefit of the doubt that this one "might" be different- NONE of the women I have met my entire life living in the US have been 'Different." So I shall be treating them all the same- they are merely empty vessels that I shall employ all my skills to board, and then I'll sink the bitch.
This means- I will approach every woman I find remotely attractive, I will hit on her, most likely in a very ass-holy fashion- if this does not "win' her affections and she reacts in the cold, bitchy way I have come to expect most women turning down men does, then I will simply peer into her soul, locate her most deep seated, ego shattering insecurities, and throw them in her her face with extreme prejudice.
The atrocious behavior of American Women has gone on too long without consequence. I aim to break their egos as cruelly as women have done to us men.
I don't care if this doesn't get me laid, as I am not getting laid as we speak. I don't want to "ghost" because I still want sex and titties. Its just now I have completely removed any association between an American women's body and her being a "human being" I'm sick to death of these unfeeling females; they have mortally wounded the nice guy in me- and now I can finally give them what they truly want and deserve.
Always remember- You miss 100% of the bitches you don't swing at, so swing at all the bitches that cross the plate.
I realize all this sounds bitter- but i will no longer take disrespect stoically any longer. I will let these women know exactly how disappointing and defective she is. Afterall- when we approach these women, we are merely attempting to offer up ourselves, offering to show them a good time, offering to be good to them- i will still make the offer- but now its loaded with exemptions and exclusions.
When you realize there is no future with any of the women to be found in your area, you also realize there is no reason to maintain the pretense of trying to be a good man.
I think your frustration is very real and is a direct reflection of what is going on in the western world (i'm from Canada, same shit here). We could talk about why things are but I think most of us can come up with the reasons.
I personally gave up on dating about 3 years ago, and I have started to make my own life better, living life I want. Part of the journey has been finding Tom Leykis who helped me open my eyes.
I think the best thing is to simply not interact with these women, only if its necessary such as at work and thats it. You don't want to walk around be labelled like the angry dude, just ignore them.
Furthermore, my goal is to build a source of passive income so i can have the freedom to travel whenever I want, and do what I want with my time.
The good days in the USA and other western countries are gone and its time to find a new place hence expats and others moving to 3rd world countries.
And i think international dating (or whatever the exact name that is coined by Winston) is seriously the way of the future. American (and western) women will be ignored as more and more men become fed up with them and some will make the jump to a new life overseas.
Remember, we guys drive the dam bus here and we will leave american women in the dust.
FreeWanderer, I understand your frustration. Trust me, I do. I feel your pain. However I cannot vouch for your above "approach". Wouldn't have it been better just to make an innocuous comment about something else other than a woman's physical beauty? You didn't say "hello" or anything, you didn't check to see what type of vibe she had, you just poured it right on her with a lame ass compliment. Just because you think she's beautiful doesn't mean she does.
I think the problem with so many "nice guys" is that they put beautiful women on pedestals. Take them down off the pedestal you put them on and interact with them like you would anybody else.
I think Western women are like that because they've been conditioned from childhood not to talk to strangers etc. Stranger = Danger
Society there has pumped so much fear into everyone ... they've all become paranoid ... everyone is out to get them ... everyone different is a terrorist etc etc
- It's easy to give, when you know what it's like to have nothing. -
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I saw her coming and stopped my bike a few feet from her, I told her " I just wanted to stop and let you know that I think you are a very beautiful woman."
Very weak opener, you cant get women with such a lame line, she heard it million times from guys better looking than yourself
well you could into her pants if you were top looking guy and/or she gave you look or sign....but she didn't and you came across as weak, needy and creepy chronic masturbator
yes I get your pain, AW are pain in the ass to deal with
what do you think why PUA and international dating/mongering are so big?
Pu$$y has inherent value
Oh I get it, my opening line was "weak"- I totally see why I deserved the response I got... No, sorry, I don't accept that anymore. It doesn't matter if she has heard the line a million times before, its a matter of respect and being a decent person in response to a flattering compliment. Would any of you men respond similarly to a woman giving you a similar compliment- I think not.
But its okay, i point to that encounter as a turning point- I will no longer try to respectfully get with american women- they are soul-less- I will still get with them, but it will be by way of gaming, lies, and manipulation. I'm sure I will likely be rejected a whole bunch- but i'll be certain to leave those I get rejected by with a lovely parting gift of humiliation and shattered self-esteem.
Women need games and pick up lines just to be able to interact decently with the opposite gender?- fine- but I am redefining my needs to be that if a women is not behaving right, then belittle and bash her. Its only fair. I am tired of the closed/hostile atmosphere fostered by the women around me- I do NOT approve and I will let them know fully how much I disapprove of these "women."
I mean, really, shit has gotten really out of hand- more than half of the women in my area are so stuck on themselves she will not even acknowledge a man's presence by looking him in his eyes, never mind an innocuous, friendly smile. To not even garner the courtesy of a glance- its absolutely f***ing outrageous!
They make men just expressing interest and giving compliments out to feel monstrous, when it is they who are the monsters. If they wish to paint all men as devious, evil, rapists, i feel no compunctions whatsoever in painting contemporary American women as soul-less cum-dumpsters.
Last edited by FreeWanderer on June 19th, 2013, 4:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
And I have to agree with Banano.... the whole delivery line made u look creepy, nerdy, desperate.... you're dealing with American women (women that sleep around a lot, like to be used by the bad guys and the low lives.... women that care about u only if u have a nice paycheck)
you come across as another American beta man getting fed up with AW and waking up to the fact that they are the bottom of the barrel.
my advice? dont go running towards asian american women thinking they're different 'cause they're asian.... like a lot of white dudes who get fed up with white american skanks do!!!
World traveler, questions about women from a certain country? Ask!!! I can help
if you see woman is clearly ignoring you, looking away etc..not much you can do, you can approach but be prepared
In her mind she thinks ' cant you see I m f***ing ignoring you and you still wanna talk to me'...and to top it off you tell her that she is beautiful.....that's so not gonna work.
I agree, the bitch probably went home thinking he was gonna rape her or something and also thinking she's God's gift to humanity because some "creepy guy at least in her mind" called her beautiful!
That;s what happens with Betas all over america.... they're trained their whole lives to believe their role in life is to be a white knight and to let women walk all over them because they're women!!!
Then when times passes and they realize they're not getting anywhere with the skanks in the US, or they finally wake up and realize they're being abused by women, then the beta starts acting like a potential romeo, with cheesy delivery lines or approaches that come across as creepy or desperate and ventually turns into a bitter ahole after landing some skank who's gonna screw him during the divorce.
they simply DO NOT GET IT.... american women are SCUM, there is not buts or ifs..... simply avoid them and find yourself a decent girl from abroad....
World traveler, questions about women from a certain country? Ask!!! I can help
This is the wrong way to go about hooking up with American women.
The only way to do it is to genuinely not care about them. Remember, AW do not like sensitivity. They will not be interested if they detect even an ounce of insecurity or bitterness.
If you want to succeed, you have to be as icey as they are. Flake on them, don't return their calls/texts, do things completely on your terms without caring about their feelings.
But the trick is you can't do this out of feelings of revenge. It must come from feelings of apathy.
This is the major difference between FW and WW from my experience. FW are much more receptive to emotions and are much warmer. WW are ice queens and don't respond well to sensitivity at all.
welcome to the site. Your experience of western women is quite normal for betas. I was a beta but I was married so I was not approaching women like that and did not realise how bad they were until I started dating again after divorce. Western women are a disgrace in their behaviour towards men. I can vouch for that in spades.
I joined "match.co.uk" and started talking to women on match. Wow....what an experience THAT was. I guess I had intro conversations with about 100 women on match...they are IN-SANE!!!! I culled that down to just TWO women I actually met face to face. I did this through emails and calls. I was quite serious that I was looking for wife 2.0.
Now look at who I was then. I was with the same woman for 23 years. Faithful. Had raised her two kids as well as 2 of our own. I had been the sole income earner for 16 years of the 18 year marriage. I was very well respected in my family. I did the grand childrens eulogies at both my grand mothers funerals. I was top 20 in the world in my profession and the year before made EUR220K in consulting fees. I didnâ€™t drink very much and had only started drinking lightly again after 7 years of no alcohol at all due to being poisoned by a bacterial in Manila in the late 90s.
I very rarely had a cigaretteâ€¦no drugsâ€¦never violent etc. Indeed my praises were sung by all who new me. I was â€œthe best of the bestâ€ husbands, fathers, sons, citizens, workers. Indeed, many people I meet would tell me that they think I must be lying because â€œmen like you do not existâ€.
Indeed, I gave my fav#1 this letter my wife wrote to me begging to take me back. It was printed on paper. After reading it she waved it as me and said â€œmen like this do not existâ€.
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Go aheadâ€¦read thisâ€¦this is my wife BEGGING me to take her back in May 2007.
These women I would meet were ALL broke. NONE of them had ANY money in their own right. They were spend-a-holics. And they were trying to get ME to jump through hoops for THEM!! They pretended like THEY were the â€œprizeâ€ and that there mere existence was something that I should be willing to PAY FOR. I have known since I was 14 that I am the prize and that I bring ALL the value to the table as far as a relationship goes. Women bring ALMOST NOTHING to the table for a man.
So I quickly rejected the VAST MAJORITY of these delusional women. The two I did go and meet face to face after emails and calls etc were TOTAL DISASTERS. I was supposed to be ENTERTAINING THEM and not them putting on their best show for me and presenting themselves as prospective wives.
One was German and one was Australia. The German woman was a total zero in person. She somehow expected me to entertain her all day. I flew up to Hamburg to meet her. She had booked me a hotel room..that turned out to be the most expensive hotel in hamburgâ€¦â€¦I called her when I got in and invited her over for a drink at the hotelâ€¦she was â€œbusyâ€ and turned me down! LOL!!
So we met as scheduled the second dayâ€¦what a selfish, narcissistic woman she was! Everything was about her. She could not hold a face to face conversation without talking about herself and her problems and issues. So I persevered to see if she might warm up a bitâ€¦..I was letting her have the run of the conversation and letting her present herself as she chose to. She even said at one stage to me â€œyou are not a very good conversationalist, you make me do all the talking, you are not very entertainingâ€ like I was some sort of circus animal that was supposed to â€œentertainâ€ her.
After dinner that evening we went to a small bar she said she wanted to go to. We went from a FIVE STAR restaurant that was peaceful and we could talk in to a crowded tiny bar that had music blaring!! Then she decides she is going to slut around and dance with other guys. I am standing there drinking my beer looking at this woman slutting herself all over these guys and thinking â€œI told this woman I am looking for wife 2.0 and that I am very serious about marriage. And here she is ignoring me and slutting it all over other guys in a noisy bar. This is what she thinks is a good way to win my affect and win my heart?! Unbelievable.â€
So clearly at the end of the day I thank her for the day and said I would be interested to see her tomorrow (since my flight out was late) and talk some more in person hoping that she would not take up the offer. In the morning she called me and says I didnâ€™t feel any real â€œchemistryâ€ between usâ€ so I donâ€™t want to see you today. I was very pleased as I planned to spend the day going around the tourist sites of Hamburg. I had never been there before and there is much to see.
The second western woman I dated was EVEN WORSE!! LOL!! On our second dinner date she tells me
1. She is in love with an airline pilot from Dallas. (she lived in Frankfurt). She tells me she is thinking of trying to seduce him away from his WIFE AND CHILDREN!!
2. She has been taking sleeping pills every night for FIVE YEARS because she canâ€™t sleep without the pillsâ€¦and she often has to take uppers to get out of bed too!!!
3. She told me she was bored the weekend before and so she went out to the US Forces base near Frankfurt and seduced some army guy who has been married for 18 years just to get a bit of action!! LOL!!
This is a woman I HAD TOLD I WAS LOOKING FOR WIFE 2.0!! LOL!!
I then kicked off a relationship with a woman from Melbourne Australia that went well until I said the C word. Commitment. As soon as I said that her feminisation kicked in. So we broke up.
On approaching western women now? I would NEVER touch a western woman againâ€¦...just not going to do it. They are IN-SANE. But I like messing with them a little bit.
I graduated to Alpha a few years after divorce from beta smuck loser provider.
So when I talk to western women in social setting that I do not work with I like to play up the alpha bit a bit and see how they respond. I was in one restaurant in London having checked it out, gone up and down the road to check out others and settled on this one. When I came back the woman manager said thank you for selecting the restaurant and â€œI am sure we have everything you want hereâ€
So I said â€œWell, I would like a young hot blond woman, but I guess you donâ€™t sell them here, so I will just have to do with the food and drinkâ€ and I gave her one of those big alpha smiles. Well? She came to our table about 6 times in the evening. My friend from Romania and his wife were my guests for the evening.
My friend was asking me â€œwhy is the manager coming over all the timeâ€? So I told him how I alphaed her. He laughed and said I was â€œvery different from when I was marriedâ€. He knew my wife Jennifer quite well as we would go to dinner with him and his wife when we were in Romania.
Anywayâ€¦the end of the night comes and I call my driver to come get me because I was too drunk and too tired to be bothered catching the train back to my apartment. She gives me a free pint while I waited. After a few minutes she says â€œYou know, you can call your driver and tell him you donâ€™t need him tonight. You donâ€™t have to go back to your apartment you know.â€
And I say â€œYes, I know. But I have had a lot of your great food and beer and I am pretty tired so I will go home. Maybe next time, eh?â€
Even though she was Brazilian she was not hot enough for me but I though I would be kind enough not to say that to her. Women love alphas. They throw themselves at alphas. It really is amazing to see.
Contrast these womens efforts with my fav#1. When I first met her in November 2007 it was a 5 minute meeting. She walked into a bar that I has been to a few times. I was alone having dinner. She was simply the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. No kidding. So I got up and walked over to her and told her â€œYou are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.â€ Just like that. And she laughed and said she got that a lot etc. I told her I was not interested in her other than to tell her she was the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. She was a bit surprised by that.
We did not see each other for 6 months after that 5 minute meeting. As luck would have it I was at a DIFFERENT bar and sitting there eating alone and BAM who sits down at my table but this woman!! Just plonks herself down and says hello. I live in a pretty small town and eat alone around the market place quite often. The marketplace is right next to my clients office and so after work I very regularly just get a bite to eat before coming home. This time she was eating alone too. She had just got off work and was getting something to eat before heading home just like I was. So we decide to eat together rather than eat alone.
You can hear what she has to say in the video below. It is my voice but her words.
Anywayâ€¦I tell her about how this relationship with the Australian woman turned outâ€¦badly. And I said â€œA friend of mine said I should date a Russian woman as he has heard good reports about them from his friends.â€
She comes out with â€œUkrainian women are BETTER than Russian women!!â€
And I am â€œSo I guess you come from the Ukraine, right?â€â€¦and she asked â€œAre you really serious? Are you really looking for a new wife?â€ I said absolutelyâ€¦I told her I had agreed with this woman for her to relocate to Germany and start our life together but she had decided she wanted to take a three year contract in Melbourne and was talking about being apart for the next three years and only seeing each other twice a year but also expected me to be faithful to herâ€¦.so I was thinking about taking a step back because after agreeing to relocate she had changed her mind but expected me to keep up my end of the bargain.
So she HIT HER STRAPS and turned on the full charm. You went OUT OF HER WAY to try and impress me.
The next 20 minutes were SURREAL. She peppered me with questions like I was in a JOB INTERVIEW! LOL!! The FIRST question she asked was â€œwhat about more children?â€ I told her that having raised 4 children I didnâ€™t want any more. I told her my children had been kidnapped and were being abused and lied to about me and this was very difficult for me. I told her that I loved my children very much and that I sincerely doubted I could go through this sort of trauma again so I really felt like I did not want any more children. She then asked â€œIs it ok if I try and change your mind?â€
I said sure. If she could change my mind on that point she was welcome to do so. I warned her that I did not believe I would but nothing was impossible. She then asked me all about my family, my work history, where I had travelled, how much I made, how much I thought I might get from divorce etc. When I told her I made EUR200K a year in a good year you could almost see her eyes roll in her head. I guess she makes about EUR12,000 plus tips. There is no way she is making EUR20,000 a year. So I tell her I am making more than TEN TIMES what she makes! LOL!! Talk about INTERESTED!!
I then disowned my former children and went into a suicidal phaseâ€¦she did not know anything about thisâ€¦it is all covered in the link. We got serious in 2010 but the issue was babies and I said noâ€¦.so we broke up in late 2010. We still meet occasionally. She calls me for Christmas and my birthday and I call her on May 1st which is the date I came out of being suicidal.
This May 1st just passed she asked me â€œhow many years are you going to call me and thank me for what I did. It is 5 years now.â€ I told her I would call her and thank her every may 1st for as long as I was alive and she was willing to take the call and be thanked for being the wonderful woman she is. I asked â€œAre you going to tire of this any time soon?â€ She laughed and said of course not.
So my fav#1 was my introduction to what eastern European women can be like. Of course they are not ALL like herâ€¦there are some bad onesâ€¦but the worse eastern European woman I have met is better than the BEST western woman I know bar ONE! LOL!!
There is only ONE woman from the west who retained my friendship though my divorce because she was the ONLY one who denounced Jennifer as the criminal she chose to be. How about that? Only ONE woman who knew me denounced the crimes Jennifer committed to me. ONE.
So yesâ€¦I think men are well advised to really be putting it to western women quite strongly. I have made a video on my address to western women. I think men here should put it in LOTS of on line places for women.
So..that is a little of my storyâ€¦my advice to you? Learn German or Russian and get the hell out of the US!
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