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As a deviation from this topic: viewtopic.php?t=19395 an interesting question comes up to my mind. What kind of competition are we up to once we do enter a foreign dating environment? Do foreign men (that is, local men in those countries) impose any competition to American men who come to look for wives there?
Also, once an American man moves to any of those countries, is he still treated as an American rather than a local?
And what about their own expats currently living in America (which is my case)? While visiting the native country, does it make sense to show off your American side, or is it better to try your best to blend in the local crowd as if you've never been to America?
I recently visited Russia and Belarus, and I didn't hide the fact that I come from America. But then I didn't go there for dating purposes.
You can run away from America, but you CAN'T run away from yourself.
In Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia and South America, you're not up against very much and here's why.
The average income in most of these places is well below poverty wages here in America. Which is why you find so many of those people in America. It shouldn't surprise you how many Eastern Europeans are in NYC for example. After all they based GTA IV around an Eastern European... They come here for better wages. Even doing mundane work will pay more than it does at home, but our cost of living keeps them in the low cost boroughs.
In Los Angeles, they live among the rest of the middle and lower middle class Americans like in the San Fernando Valley where I live. Quite a few Eastern Europeans here, I dated a Hungarian girl and a Russian or two over the years.
The same goes for SEA's and Latinos coming across the broader.
So what's left back at home are average guys who make less than you do overall, poor guys that make about a 1/3rd of what you make and Rich guys that get the pick of the litter every single time. But class restrictions in Latin America prevents Rich men from marrying lower class women in many cases. I have heard this sort of class structure exist in some SEA countries but somebody else likely knows more than I do.
America rightly or wrongly is seen as the richest, most powerful country in the world. Outside of America if you don't watch the alternative media, you are not getting the true story on the decay of our society; Socially, politically and economically. People in rural areas with limited access to media and the internet do believe the streets are not paved with gold, but the opportunities are endless. More so than being poor with nothing in your home country.
You tell me? If you were in say Honduras and I told you, if you can get across the broader safely that you would increase your wages by 700% would you take that risk???
That's why for an expat start up cost are much lower in these countries.
That's another reason, most people in those countries start their own business for survival not for profit. So women in these countries think there own men are somewhat lazy and that Americans are industrious and hard working. Funny how the Right Wing says some of that of our citizens (are lazy) and immigrants are hard working.
The exact opposite is true in THEIR home country in how they view US! Plus we are not needed as immigrants in those countries but as "Guest" or Expats, BIG DIFFERENCE.
When you add all this up, some might call it the Gringo Advantage. This mainly applies to White men, but it also applies to Americans of Color.
Even though your Black for example, you are considered "better" than the local Black people in whatever country you're in. There plenty of threads about this, I don't need to rehash it.
Mainly the competition comes from rich locals but as I said they aren't really interested in the middle class and lower women expats tend to chase around.
The middle class guys are basically our working poor in America, are they really a threat to you???
Poor men have no advantage but being of the same ethnic group the women you're dating is from, that's it.
Rightly or Wrongly like I said we have an advantage as long as you live like you do in the States. I don't mean the same wasteful patterns, but have a nice flat, a few gadgets and a late model car (if you're a long term expat) and you'll become very hard to ignore by local women.
IE you have more UPSIDE than the majority of locals do. We rail against that with American women doing it, but by going elsewhere we flip the script...
Here's my observation about women overseas, local men don't put up that much competition in low to mid tiers. There are many decent #6-7 type women to choose from as well as MANY 5's throwing themselves at you and every other swinging dick foreigner who steps off the plane. However once you get to the very top category girls 8+ the models, actresses, etc.. it gets much more difficult because they usually have a lot of options. There are young rich players, local famous people, handsome regular local guys, moguls, etc.. gaming these girls too.
In Thailand when I see the super hot girls 8+ the ones that look like they are modeling for something they are almost always with a Thai boyfriend. The Thai guy usually has his shit together and he's well off too. It's rare I see girls of this tier with a foreign guy. If this caliber of woman is with a foreign boyfriend chances are good he's pretty well off like that Canadian sucker who paid a multimillion dollar dowry. Or they can be really handsome men too but for women of this tier having everything they want locally isn't that difficult.
A lot of guys are kind of blind to local beauty standards though. They think because their lady has a reasonably decent face, slim body, etc.. that she's a prize to the locals. In reality there are a lot of women like that, especially in Thailand. A slim proportionate body and decent face is scarce in the U.S. but it's standard everywhere else.
Exactly, and these rich or even just upper middle class guys are usually ballers. They have a ton of hot women they jackrabbit around with. I've seen how good upper middle class thai guys have it. It's ridiculously easy for these guys. Their social circles are always chock full of hot women. To live an equivalent lifestyle in the U.S. you'd have to have high tens of millions in the bank.
All this clowning about hot women and the other extreme by some posters count out the vast middle ground in some of these countries. The truth is some of these women will never get married and never have children because there is just too much competition or they are a bit too selective.
Middle Class Girl in X country
16-25 has avoided the trap of having a child early by not caving to local douche bags.
25-30 feels the pressure socially to find a mate but last boyfriend she had doubts about or cheated on her (real or imagined)
30-35 growing increasing desperate (not actually a bad thing) may start to consider men in another country because she had heard success stories of locals doing the same thing.
35-40 past prime by locals, almost exclusively seeking/dating Foreign men
42-45 past the ability to have children
Go on AFA's site and depending how truthful they are, the women who are confirmed engaged range from the young (19) to the old (well into their 50's) and vary in looks from 5's to 9's. Those are the women that made the effort to find somebody. I forgot the statistics but the amount of single women in Latin America, SEA and Eastern Europe is STAGGERING.
Populations are impacted by natural disaster, starvation and wars. The United States is basically one of the few countries not to experience this in modern terms. We've had some natural disasters but very few deaths overall as a result.
Central America has had lots of civil war (US backed), same with much of SEA and even Eastern Europe to some degree. This means lots of dead young men.
Some of the wars are now decades old but the impact is still being felt. Not by just the victims but to the economy overall, less male workers....
Look at all the women just on the internet, forget the women on the ground for a second.
What about those women who don't believe the internet is a good place to look (horror stories?). The women too busy with their own lives to even look online but the occasional glance?
Men in America need to get out of the scarcity mindset but many won't and its time to leave those people behind. They have has at least since the mid 90's to consider this and if they haven't acted on it by now they are a lost cause and full of endless excuses we have to tolerate on this forum.
Here in America not so many people are into "alternative media" either. Most population is watching/listening to/reading mainstream media, which is perhaps one of the reasons the problems exist.
Outside of America, they are not into "alternative media" in your sense of this word. But some countries, for example Russia and Belarus, have their own, government-backed media, which is programmed to idealize their own government and to demonize America. Of course, most people don't take that propaganda seriously and, instead, tend to think of America as paradize on earth.
I don't know much about China, but I won't be surprised if they have it, too (after all, they are still run by the Communist Party).
So, what you're trying to say is that guys who set themselves for foreign dating should realize that, just like here in America the "top" guys get enough options locally, the "top" girls in those countries are getting enough options among their local guys, too. It's the "lower-level losers" who need to go out of their way to meet each other. Do I understanding it right?
Are you trying to say that in America most women are heavy and ugly?
What is "scarcity mindset"?
You can run away from America, but you CAN'T run away from yourself.
The mindset that believes there aren't enough nice, attractive women to date so -
1) You chase another man's woman. In years gone by that was off limits but now that it's "everyman for himself" you get the picture. This has destroyed more than a few male-male friendships.
2) You are one of 100-200 messages a woman gets on a typical dating site in America.
3) When you go out to the local hot spot, there seems to be more men than women in that venue.
4) The only women looking at your profile are past prime age (early 40's) or if you're a guy in his 20's, all the women looking at your profile are single mothers, the ones who didn't avoid the douchebag trap.
5) The last date you went on was overall okay but the woman was nothing to write home about.
This leads to men usually doing the following.
a) Going back to school to get that better job, so they can buy more "stuff" to impress that Paris Hilton clone
b) Go to the gym to get a "Beachbody" or doing it home, take your pick.
c) Develop an Edge such as getting tattoos, binge drinking, learning how to ride a motorcycle or spiky hair/unconventional hair style
*Becoming the douchebag that gets laid*
This the core value of the PUA...
Its not what got you a nice girl but PUA's contend that our society has turned our women from being nice to being vipers and they aren't that far off the truth, its the reaction the private sector has when Government goes the wrong direction on several issues that are interconnected from immigration to racial inequality.
I don't know where you're getting the "loser" comment from because I never said people who were less attractive than an 8+ were losers. I think most people lie right at that baseline of 5. The difference is that a 5 in one country may not be a 5 in another. A rather plain jane 5 in Thailand would get a decent bump in the U.S. because asian women are viewed as exotic and sexy by a lot of the horny male population starved for slim petite women with decent personalities.
The fact is there really is a limited selection in the U.S. because of obesity and the gender ratios are wacky in many regions. The west coast in particular.
I'm saying that there are a lot less attractive women as a proportion compared with let's say EE or even SEA. There are super hot women in the U.S. but not enough women who lie at that 6-7 range for average guys. I don't see how this isn't obvious. To me the contrast is stunning especially after living in SEA for 6 years and coming back to the U.S. and seeing how rare attractive women in a major west coast U.S. are.
China believes in social harmony and single women aren't generally considered a good thing.
There are so few foreigners in China (and even less who are single) that statistically they make no difference to the local dating scene.
I guess Thailand is a little different. There are many foreigners here, so good looking girls have no problems finding a new foreign partner.
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There is also the little mentioned Eastern European women in countries like Thailand where they aren't restricted from traveling too. There competition is all those petite Asian women, when they are largely petite women but White.
I've found a few Russians and Ukrainians in Thailand on Elena's Models, I'm sure there's more.
Small correction here. There are a lot of young and old foreigners looking to get laid but not nearly as many looking for serious long term relationships.
Here's what's missing above, during one's twenties, there are plenty of AWs who fit the above description. What's missing, however, is that many (meaning 80%) are psycho b*tches. Thus, the fact that that the corresponding 80% in Thailand are somewhat "normal" (not crazy but perhaps not entirely genuine), makes that pool of women nearly exponentially larger than the one in the US.
Many years ago, the Best Picture of 1999, "American Beauty", telegraphed the message of Happier Abroad to the world.
Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.
AB discussion thread
BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_whi ... ot_a_horse
That's only true with regard to those guys who count on their status as foreigners that would supposedly give them unfair advantage in eyes of foreign women. But there are also those who believe that foreign women are actually not willing to move away from their home country but will miraculously fall for an American guy even though his fellow American girls are not attracted to him. Yet, there is a different phenomenon described above: the foreign girls who look for Western/American men are not the top of the crop in their own population; rather, they represent somewhat a lower class of women.
You can run away from America, but you CAN'T run away from yourself.