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Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby Repatriate » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:08 pm

Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Thailand, etc.. the list goes on and on. One thing is certain that when western men get info that a place is a target rich environment for women the hoards of young and old cocksmen, viagra fueled p4p mongers, stag party douches, etc.. all swarm a place f***ing and gaming everything in sight like horny locusts.

It's inevitable that a percentage of these men get involved with the women on a more substantial level and pay a significant sum to upkeep their relationships while simultaneously transmitting western beta male culture to the local women. This means the local women learn through western men how it "works" in the west and shift their expectations accordingly. They watch western tv with their western beta male spouses/bfs and realize what they've been missing out on and how pliable these doughy chumps from the west are and how easy life can be. The western men i've seen think they are doing the women a favor by being the "gentleman" and going above and beyond what a local man of the same economic stature would do.

In reality this sort of sniveling supplication creates a social status imbalance. It gives sexual economic power to relatively valueless impoverished women who are on a broad scale a plentiful resource. As a result the women start to form a very skewed and unrealistic view of themselves to the consternation of local men and knowledgeable experienced expats. After awhile local men start to despise expats and the big fish in a small pond ripple they cause. The conflict leads to subtle xenophobia and increasing murmers behind close doors that all foreigners are no good with resulting ethnocentric backlash.

Prices and expectations adjust accordingly after that. The damage is done. The smiles are gone. The locals are wary and the women who do play the courtship game are often hardened or conniving because they know what the deal is. The local women in clubs go there now to showcase their formerly mundane looks to horny western boners showering them with compliments and drinks. The westernization of the female population nears completion.
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Postby Voice of Reason » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:43 pm

So in other words this whole site is contributing to the problem instead of offering a solution?
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby kai1275 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:59 pm

Repatriate wrote:Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Thailand, etc.. the list goes on and on. One thing is certain that when western men get info that a place is a target rich environment for women the hoards of young and old cocksmen, viagra fueled p4p mongers, stag party douches, etc.. all swarm a place f***ing and gaming everything in sight like horny locusts.

It's inevitable that a percentage of these men get involved with the women on a more substantial level and pay a significant sum to upkeep their relationships while simultaneously transmitting western beta male culture to the local women. This means the local women learn through western men how it "works" in the west and shift their expectations accordingly. They watch western tv with their western beta male spouses/bfs and realize what they've been missing out on and how pliable these doughy chumps from the west are and how easy life can be. The western men i've seen think they are doing the women a favor by being the "gentleman" and going above and beyond what a local man of the same economic stature would do.

In reality this sort of sniveling supplication creates a social status imbalance. It gives sexual economic power to relatively valueless impoverished women who are on a broad scale a plentiful resource. As a result the women start to form a very skewed and unrealistic view of themselves to the consternation of local men and knowledgeable experienced expats. After awhile local men start to despise expats and the big fish in a small pond ripple they cause. The conflict leads to subtle xenophobia and increasing murmers behind close doors that all foreigners are no good with resulting ethnocentric backlash.

Prices and expectations adjust accordingly after that. The damage is done. The smiles are gone. The locals are wary and the women who do play the courtship game are often hardened or conniving because they know what the deal is. The local women in clubs go there now to showcase their formerly mundane looks to horny western boners showering them with compliments and drinks. The westernization of the female population nears completion.


No one likes to hear this, but the only way to defeat those kinds of stigmas is merely do the opposite of what those toolbags are doing. ie: Avoid night clubs, bars, foreigner hangouts, don't dress like them (dress sharp and professional), have other reasons for your visit other than p***y helps alot too, stay low key, don't have hoes running in and out your apartment all day and night (old women and hating ass locals are always watching for shit like that), avoid being seen outside with a different woman each day, etc.

Most people with a brain know a man-whore when they see it. The local men would stick out too if they did that. Gossiping is more common in outside countries than it is here in the US, in these smaller communities. Their own people may be more traditional but also more nosy about their neighbors.

Unless you are going into a very violent hostile country, these image issues are somewhat easy to defeat. If your image is f***ed because of US foreign policy then that is another issue.
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Postby kai1275 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:10 pm

Voice of Reason wrote:So in other words this whole site is contributing to the problem instead of offering a solution?


A few of us try to offer a solution here at HA, but sadly most here are monger-ish. Most of the more vocal posters at least, especially the old school guys here.

The real solution is just keep a low key look and not be a whore. Instead of using a multi-pronged strategy approach to dating abroad, many men just like to land on the ground like evil Zod from Superman and look around for victims. It just gives off the impression that your dick is out while you are constantly approaching one female after the other. I bet some of those clowns probably are getting talked about behind their backs, in other languages, from one girl to the next at times. Doesn't keep them from getting laid, but it never is a good thing.
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Postby theprimebait » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:14 pm

There is so much win in that post.

I give you 10 stars.
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Postby ContraMundumRants » Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:44 pm

I haven't been to any of those countries (yet!), but judging by what I have read about Roosh's
experiences and the people on that forum, maybe it's because Western men are surprised
by the niceness of foreign women.

Imagine a typical Western male who goes over to Poland, starts dating a good Polish woman,
and she starts cooking for him, doing his laundry, and treating him like a king.

A Polish man might consider this normal and even demand this from a woman, whereas
for the average Western male, the act of a woman cooking for him is so unbelievable
that he probably has to pinch himself multiple times to verify he is alive.

Roosh said that he felt like being a provider in Poland, so given the nurturing instincts of foreign women,
the average Western male might start pumping out money to provide for his foreign girlfriend. Since
he is so surprised by her nurturing abilities, he goes overboard in his beta provider role, but he can't
help himself because he has never experienced anything like this before.
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Postby marklambo » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:31 pm

ContraMundumRants wrote:I haven't been to any of those countries (yet!), but judging by what I have read about Roosh's
experiences and the people on that forum, maybe it's because Western men are surprised
by the niceness of foreign women.

Imagine a typical Western male who goes over to Poland, starts dating a good Polish woman,
and she starts cooking for him, doing his laundry, and treating him like a king.

A Polish man might consider this normal and even demand this from a woman, whereas
for the average Western male, the act of a woman cooking for him is so unbelievable
that he probably has to pinch himself multiple times to verify he is alive.

Roosh said that he felt like being a provider in Poland, so given the nurturing instincts of foreign women,
the average Western male might start pumping out money to provide for his foreign girlfriend. Since
he is so surprised by her nurturing abilities, he goes overboard in his beta provider role, but he can't
help himself because he has never experienced anything like this before.


Very good points written. That definitely can be a problem and these manginas better start learning to know how to control this when it happens to them. The moment they start going overboard, the women now start to get a taste of a different life they never knew that would ever exist for them. At this point they may start to change for the worse and lose their most precious qualities.
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Postby C.J. » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:54 pm

Very true. Many westerners try to get away from their problems, but in some cases become the exact thing they despise 10 fold.
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Postby djfourmoney » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:15 am

Firstly GET OFF THE TOURIST TRAIL!

Secondly ITS NOT RUINED, OVERFISHED or any of these self-defeating statements that people like to make.

For one thing, dressing business smart doesn't work for nightlife in many countries, you'll looked overdressed.

Please do not dress like the typical monger/US tourist! That doesn't mean you can't take your own personal style with you, if you have one.

Lastly if you have this doomed attitude about overseas travel/expat/wife search, do me a favor and stay your ass at home!
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby Repatriate » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:21 pm

kai1275 wrote:No one likes to hear this, but the only way to defeat those kinds of stigmas is merely do the opposite of what those toolbags are doing. ie: Avoid night clubs, bars, foreigner hangouts, don't dress like them (dress sharp and professional), have other reasons for your visit other than p***y helps alot too, stay low key, don't have hoes running in and out your apartment all day and night (old women and hating a** locals are always watching for shit like that), avoid being seen outside with a different woman each day, etc. .


Correct. Plus it's in every true happier abroad expat's best interest to learn the local language asap or have local friends who can plug you in to their localized social circles. I try not to hang out in expat groups or in expat places because i've seen western mangina entropy set in with what used to be decent local women. These days I know how bad or good a place is going to be right away by how many young western men are in the joint. If there's a lot of upwardly mobile looking young or 30 something white guys standing around I know it's going to be shit already. If it's 99% locals then it's probably still going to be good.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby YaManBT » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:14 pm

kai1275 wrote:
Repatriate wrote:Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Thailand, etc.. the list goes on and on. One thing is certain that when western men get info that a place is a target rich environment for women the hoards of young and old cocksmen, viagra fueled p4p mongers, stag party douches, etc.. all swarm a place f***ing and gaming everything in sight like horny locusts.

It's inevitable that a percentage of these men get involved with the women on a more substantial level and pay a significant sum to upkeep their relationships while simultaneously transmitting western beta male culture to the local women. This means the local women learn through western men how it "works" in the west and shift their expectations accordingly. They watch western tv with their western beta male spouses/bfs and realize what they've been missing out on and how pliable these doughy chumps from the west are and how easy life can be. The western men i've seen think they are doing the women a favor by being the "gentleman" and going above and beyond what a local man of the same economic stature would do.

In reality this sort of sniveling supplication creates a social status imbalance. It gives sexual economic power to relatively valueless impoverished women who are on a broad scale a plentiful resource. As a result the women start to form a very skewed and unrealistic view of themselves to the consternation of local men and knowledgeable experienced expats. After awhile local men start to despise expats and the big fish in a small pond ripple they cause. The conflict leads to subtle xenophobia and increasing murmers behind close doors that all foreigners are no good with resulting ethnocentric backlash.

Prices and expectations adjust accordingly after that. The damage is done. The smiles are gone. The locals are wary and the women who do play the courtship game are often hardened or conniving because they know what the deal is. The local women in clubs go there now to showcase their formerly mundane looks to horny western boners showering them with compliments and drinks. The westernization of the female population nears completion.


No one likes to hear this, but the only way to defeat those kinds of stigmas is merely do the opposite of what those toolbags are doing. ie: Avoid night clubs, bars, foreigner hangouts, don't dress like them (dress sharp and professional), have other reasons for your visit other than p***y helps alot too, stay low key, don't have hoes running in and out your apartment all day and night (old women and hating a** locals are always watching for shit like that), avoid being seen outside with a different woman each day, etc.

Most people with a brain know a man-whore when they see it. The local men would stick out too if they did that. Gossiping is more common in outside countries than it is here in the US, in these smaller communities. Their own people may be more traditional but also more nosy about their neighbors.

Unless you are going into a very violent hostile country, these image issues are somewhat easy to defeat. If your image is f***ed because of US foreign policy then that is another issue.


You know your stuff. This post coincides with everything I have read about the Japanese countryside, where I will likely be next year. If you are seen with women in and out of your apartment, the locals will gossip so much that the students you teach will know your business by the time you get to work. Also, I have observed online that a lot of guys who go to Japan with p***y as the main objective don't do well. Guys who have an actual interest in Japan tend to do a lot better. I think the Japanese people, in general, are very good judges of character. They can smell bullshit, but they also take care of you if you're a good-natured person who respects their culture.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby Repatriate » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:42 pm

YaManBT wrote: Also, I have observed online that a lot of guys who go to Japan with p***y as the main objective don't do well. Guys who have an actual interest in Japan tend to do a lot better. I think the Japanese people, in general, are very good judges of character. They can smell bullshit, but they also take care of you if you're a good-natured person who respects their culture.

Based on actual honest accounts of people dating and going out in Japan I have to say a lot of guys are outright lying about their experiences there. Japan isn't nearly as easy as people say it is and it's probably on par or even harder than some U.S. cities.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby kai1275 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:53 pm

YaManBT wrote:
kai1275 wrote:
Repatriate wrote:Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Thailand, etc.. the list goes on and on. One thing is certain that when western men get info that a place is a target rich environment for women the hoards of young and old cocksmen, viagra fueled p4p mongers, stag party douches, etc.. all swarm a place f***ing and gaming everything in sight like horny locusts.

It's inevitable that a percentage of these men get involved with the women on a more substantial level and pay a significant sum to upkeep their relationships while simultaneously transmitting western beta male culture to the local women. This means the local women learn through western men how it "works" in the west and shift their expectations accordingly. They watch western tv with their western beta male spouses/bfs and realize what they've been missing out on and how pliable these doughy chumps from the west are and how easy life can be. The western men i've seen think they are doing the women a favor by being the "gentleman" and going above and beyond what a local man of the same economic stature would do.

In reality this sort of sniveling supplication creates a social status imbalance. It gives sexual economic power to relatively valueless impoverished women who are on a broad scale a plentiful resource. As a result the women start to form a very skewed and unrealistic view of themselves to the consternation of local men and knowledgeable experienced expats. After awhile local men start to despise expats and the big fish in a small pond ripple they cause. The conflict leads to subtle xenophobia and increasing murmers behind close doors that all foreigners are no good with resulting ethnocentric backlash.

Prices and expectations adjust accordingly after that. The damage is done. The smiles are gone. The locals are wary and the women who do play the courtship game are often hardened or conniving because they know what the deal is. The local women in clubs go there now to showcase their formerly mundane looks to horny western boners showering them with compliments and drinks. The westernization of the female population nears completion.


No one likes to hear this, but the only way to defeat those kinds of stigmas is merely do the opposite of what those toolbags are doing. ie: Avoid night clubs, bars, foreigner hangouts, don't dress like them (dress sharp and professional), have other reasons for your visit other than p***y helps alot too, stay low key, don't have hoes running in and out your apartment all day and night (old women and hating a** locals are always watching for shit like that), avoid being seen outside with a different woman each day, etc.

Most people with a brain know a man-whore when they see it. The local men would stick out too if they did that. Gossiping is more common in outside countries than it is here in the US, in these smaller communities. Their own people may be more traditional but also more nosy about their neighbors.

Unless you are going into a very violent hostile country, these image issues are somewhat easy to defeat. If your image is f***ed because of US foreign policy then that is another issue.


You know your stuff. This post coincides with everything I have read about the Japanese countryside, where I will likely be next year. If you are seen with women in and out of your apartment, the locals will gossip so much that the students you teach will know your business by the time you get to work. Also, I have observed online that a lot of guys who go to Japan with p***y as the main objective don't do well. Guys who have an actual interest in Japan tend to do a lot better. I think the Japanese people, in general, are very good judges of character. They can smell bullshit, but they also take care of you if you're a good-natured person who respects their culture.


I know this because I had to! I had no choice if I actually wanted a Chinese wife. Koreans are the exact same way, maybe even worse because they might surround you and beat your ass up.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby kai1275 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:57 pm

Repatriate wrote:
YaManBT wrote: Also, I have observed online that a lot of guys who go to Japan with p***y as the main objective don't do well. Guys who have an actual interest in Japan tend to do a lot better. I think the Japanese people, in general, are very good judges of character. They can smell bullshit, but they also take care of you if you're a good-natured person who respects their culture.

Based on actual honest accounts of people dating and going out in Japan I have to say a lot of guys are outright lying about their experiences there. Japan isn't nearly as easy as people say it is and it's probably on par or even harder than some U.S. cities.


Please. It just does not work out well for other Asians perhaps. I got followed around in just the airport by 2 Japanese girls that thought I was cute... Even if they had ran away from me if I tried to get their phone number or something, that is a VERY good sign. Many Japanese people like anything "different" in general. You might too if all you see is a endless sea of the same black hair and eye features.
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Postby kai1275 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:04 pm

djfourmoney wrote:Firstly GET OFF THE TOURIST TRAIL!

Secondly ITS NOT RUINED, OVERFISHED or any of these self-defeating statements that people like to make.

For one thing, dressing business smart doesn't work for nightlife in many countries, you'll looked overdressed.

Please do not dress like the typical monger/US tourist! That doesn't mean you can't take your own personal style with you, if you have one.

Lastly if you have this doomed attitude about overseas travel/expat/wife search, do me a favor and stay your a** at home!


Depends upon the country I guess, but wearing pink and looking like a tool ass douchebag full of swag does not either. I guess in a country full of white people or another Western European country, dressing like some Hollister/True Religion/American Eagle/grungy look model probably works better than it would in Asia I guess. Also depends upon the age group of girls you are trying to attract too obviously.
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