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Postby Maverick » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:39 pm

Interesting thread.

What clothes would you guys suggest wearing? My usual style is either a button down or long sleeve from Express, jeans, left earring, and a necklace I got from Thailand.

No bright colors or anything.

Is that too much for asian countries?
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby Repatriate » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:45 pm

kai1275 wrote:
Repatriate wrote:
YaManBT wrote: Also, I have observed online that a lot of guys who go to Japan with p***y as the main objective don't do well. Guys who have an actual interest in Japan tend to do a lot better. I think the Japanese people, in general, are very good judges of character. They can smell bullshit, but they also take care of you if you're a good-natured person who respects their culture.

Based on actual honest accounts of people dating and going out in Japan I have to say a lot of guys are outright lying about their experiences there. Japan isn't nearly as easy as people say it is and it's probably on par or even harder than some U.S. cities.


Please. It just does not work out well for other Asians perhaps. I got followed around in just the airport by 2 Japanese girls that thought I was cute... Even if they had ran away from me if I tried to get their phone number or something, that is a VERY good sign. Many Japanese people like anything "different" in general. You might too if all you see is a endless sea of the same black hair and eye features.

Maybe there's a black exotic factor going on in Japan that has way more exotic appeal than any other race but I don't know. I still suspect there's major exaggeration involved. There's that thread on Rooshv where several white guys talk about how much they strike out there. The original poster of that thread is 6'2" and likely above average in looks yet he has a 1% success rate getting laid there out of hundreds of approaches. Like I said that's even lower than some average guys who game major U.S. cities on the regular.
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Postby Repatriate » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:50 pm

Maverick wrote:Interesting thread.

What clothes would you guys suggest wearing? My usual style is either a button down or long sleeve from Express, jeans, left earring, and a necklace I got from Thailand.

No bright colors or anything.

Is that too much for asian countries?

That's fine just don't act like an annoying c**t and you'll already be above and beyond most white guys in Asia.
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Postby Jester » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:23 am

kai1275 wrote:.......many men just like to land on the ground like evil Zod from Superman and look around for victims.


:lol:
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Postby E Irizarry R&B Singer » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:30 am

kai1275 wrote:
Voice of Reason wrote:So in other words this whole site is contributing to the problem instead of offering a solution?


A few of us try to offer a solution here at HA, but sadly most here are monger-ish. Most of the more vocal posters at least, especially the old school guys here.

The real solution is just keep a low key look and not be a whore. Instead of using a multi-pronged strategy approach to dating abroad, many men just like to land on the ground like evil Zod from Superman and look around for victims. It just gives off the impression that your dick is out while you are constantly approaching one female after the other. I bet some of those clowns probably are getting talked about behind their backs, in other languages, from one girl to the next at times. Doesn't keep them from getting laid, but it never is a good thing.


Hey hey hey now! I am not being disingenuous about it; I am really not a monger, but I do monger when time is limited in that country. Like I said a few times before, I maintain good relationships with most of the women whom I had non-p4p relationships with in those foreign country. I had both mongered and got regular non-p4p women.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby Rock » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:03 am

Repatriate wrote:Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Estonia, Ukraine, Russia, Thailand, etc.. the list goes on and on. One thing is certain that when western men get info that a place is a target rich environment for women the hoards of young and old cocksmen, viagra fueled p4p mongers, stag party douches, etc.. all swarm a place f***ing and gaming everything in sight like horny locusts.

It's inevitable that a percentage of these men get involved with the women on a more substantial level and pay a significant sum to upkeep their relationships while simultaneously transmitting western beta male culture to the local women. This means the local women learn through western men how it "works" in the west and shift their expectations accordingly. They watch western tv with their western beta male spouses/bfs and realize what they've been missing out on and how pliable these doughy chumps from the west are and how easy life can be. The western men i've seen think they are doing the women a favor by being the "gentleman" and going above and beyond what a local man of the same economic stature would do.

In reality this sort of sniveling supplication creates a social status imbalance. It gives sexual economic power to relatively valueless impoverished women who are on a broad scale a plentiful resource. As a result the women start to form a very skewed and unrealistic view of themselves to the consternation of local men and knowledgeable experienced expats. After awhile local men start to despise expats and the big fish in a small pond ripple they cause. The conflict leads to subtle xenophobia and increasing murmers behind close doors that all foreigners are no good with resulting ethnocentric backlash.

Prices and expectations adjust accordingly after that. The damage is done. The smiles are gone. The locals are wary and the women who do play the courtship game are often hardened or conniving because they know what the deal is. The local women in clubs go there now to showcase their formerly mundane looks to horny western boners showering them with compliments and drinks. The westernization of the female population nears completion.


Great thread! I think there are 2 key factors at work here. Perhaps a third one has contributed as well. One is as you say, western men flocking to a place and contaminating it in about ever way possible. And the other is general economic development. There's been a trend which accelerated starting from first term of Bush junior where global wealth has flown from developed world to certain regions within developing world - NE Asia, SE Asia, E. Europe/CIS, and Latin America. When a country catches up wealth wise, your cache as a so-called rich westerner falls.

The third factor is the commoditization of information - Proliferation of Internet and Smartphones plus wide spread use of social media sites. Girls in some of the so-called hotspots have learned too much about us figured out our evident weak points. Power balance has shifted dramatically.

I don't see an easy solution to this at macro level. In some way at least, things are generally worse for the western guy who wants to serial date or whore overseas on the cheap with more attractive and younger local women. Ditto for those who wanna find a beautiful LT gf/wife. But in other ways, the trends may have helped in some ways. It's certainly easier to live in many hot spot areas than it used to be due to much improved infrastructure. And the Internet makes it a hell of a lot more efficient to hit-up on a large number of potential targets. So percentage of available and attractive targets may have declined but you have much better tools for finding them.

Now for the individual with determination, I would say you need to commit yourself to this and make it one of your key life goals. Then perhaps you can find opportunities with relatively unspoiled and attractive women. Focus on areas where barriers to entry are high - the un-developed hinterlands which lack western creature comforts but still abound with young available women, areas with very high perceived violent crime rates where women are also plentiful, are areas which are very hard and expensive to get too and/or have formidable language barriers. Such areas are less likely to be ruined cus majority of horny western males don't have time, means, or will to hit-up the far flung corners, at least not yet. After all, it can be very uncomfortable, dangerous, stressful, tiring, etc. to spend any length of time in such places. I hope such areas and opportunities always remain available.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby Rock » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:16 am

Repatriate wrote:
kai1275 wrote:
Repatriate wrote:
YaManBT wrote: Also, I have observed online that a lot of guys who go to Japan with p***y as the main objective don't do well. Guys who have an actual interest in Japan tend to do a lot better. I think the Japanese people, in general, are very good judges of character. They can smell bullshit, but they also take care of you if you're a good-natured person who respects their culture.

Based on actual honest accounts of people dating and going out in Japan I have to say a lot of guys are outright lying about their experiences there. Japan isn't nearly as easy as people say it is and it's probably on par or even harder than some U.S. cities.


Please. It just does not work out well for other Asians perhaps. I got followed around in just the airport by 2 Japanese girls that thought I was cute... Even if they had ran away from me if I tried to get their phone number or something, that is a VERY good sign. Many Japanese people like anything "different" in general. You might too if all you see is a endless sea of the same black hair and eye features.

Maybe there's a black exotic factor going on in Japan that has way more exotic appeal than any other race but I don't know. I still suspect there's major exaggeration involved. There's that thread on Rooshv where several white guys talk about how much they strike out there. The original poster of that thread is 6'2" and likely above average in looks yet he has a 1% success rate getting laid there out of hundreds of approaches. Like I said that's even lower than some average guys who game major U.S. cities on the regular.


Maybe it's a black exotic thing. I've approached a handful of Japanese girls in various countries and have never achieved full-on intimacy. In London, the Japanese student I tried to chat-up on the Tube got up and moved to the other side of the train. In Oslo, another one told me she wanted to meet Norwegians, not Americans. In Tokyo, I got lucky once but she turned out to be mainland Chinese lol. In Taiwan, I've dated a few Koreans but never got anywhere with the Japanese girls I tried for. It got to the point where as soon as I figured out they were Japanese, I lost my confidence, as if they were ABC or even white. As far as I'm concerned from personal experience, Japanese girls are no easier than white Americans. I think they are pretty darn picky.

My friend who was a high payed expat there for a few years didn't date any local Japanese girls even tho he was tall and pretty good looking and around 30. OTOH, Xiongmao tells me he had some luck there going through some sort of agency. It seems to be very specific to the person. But most guys I've know with any experience there have not done very well with the locals, even guys who do well in many other parts of Asia.
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Postby Ghost » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:46 am

A big part of it is just taking western attitudes and mindsets with them when they travel. I have to be careful myself. Attractive western guys - faux alphas, thugs, players, mongers, what have you - take the attitude of sexual bragging with them. I don't think it would be possible to corrupt entire societies with stupid western guys, but certainly certain cities or areas could and have been corrupted.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby green1976 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:07 am

Rock wrote:
Repatriate wrote:
kai1275 wrote:
Repatriate wrote:
YaManBT wrote: Also, I have observed online that a lot of guys who go to Japan with p***y as the main objective don't do well. Guys who have an actual interest in Japan tend to do a lot better. I think the Japanese people, in general, are very good judges of character. They can smell bullshit, but they also take care of you if you're a good-natured person who respects their culture.

Based on actual honest accounts of people dating and going out in Japan I have to say a lot of guys are outright lying about their experiences there. Japan isn't nearly as easy as people say it is and it's probably on par or even harder than some U.S. cities.


Please. It just does not work out well for other Asians perhaps. I got followed around in just the airport by 2 Japanese girls that thought I was cute... Even if they had ran away from me if I tried to get their phone number or something, that is a VERY good sign. Many Japanese people like anything "different" in general. You might too if all you see is a endless sea of the same black hair and eye features.

Maybe there's a black exotic factor going on in Japan that has way more exotic appeal than any other race but I don't know. I still suspect there's major exaggeration involved. There's that thread on Rooshv where several white guys talk about how much they strike out there. The original poster of that thread is 6'2" and likely above average in looks yet he has a 1% success rate getting laid there out of hundreds of approaches. Like I said that's even lower than some average guys who game major U.S. cities on the regular.


Maybe it's a black exotic thing. I've approached a handful of Japanese girls in various countries and have never achieved full-on intimacy. In London, the Japanese student I tried to chat-up on the Tube got up and moved to the other side of the train. In Oslo, another one told me she wanted to meet Norwegians, not Americans. In Tokyo, I got lucky once but she turned out to be mainland Chinese lol. In Taiwan, I've dated a few Koreans but never got anywhere with the Japanese girls I tried for. It got to the point where as soon as I figured out they were Japanese, I lost my confidence, as if they were ABC or even white. As far as I'm concerned from personal experience, Japanese girls are no easier than white Americans. I think they are pretty darn picky.

My friend who was a high payed expat there for a few years didn't date any local Japanese girls even tho he was tall and pretty good looking and around 30. OTOH, Xiongmao tells me he had some luck there going through some sort of agency. It seems to be very specific to the person. But most guys I've know with any experience there have not done very well with the locals, even guys who do well in many other parts of Asia.



Reading most accounts of Japanese girls,they have a very huge hight rate a flaking.
So getting a number doesn't mean really something.
I just put this observation as if a foreigner there thinks that he is starting well because he gets easily phone number or promise to meet him after,the hill is totally in front of him.

And for the black guys having success there,i still prefer to be a white guy if i had to choose.

And yes,Japanese girls are picky compared to others Asian countries,the worst would be South Korea where it's for sure the place to avoid when dating in Asia.
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Re: Why western men always destroy female havens.

Postby Banano » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:07 pm

Reading most accounts of Japanese girls,they have a very huge hight rate a flaking.
So getting a number doesn't mean really something.
I just put this observation as if a foreigner there thinks that he is starting well because he gets easily phone number or promise to meet him after,the hill is totally in front of him.

And for the black guys having success there,i still prefer to be a white guy if i had to choose.

And yes,Japanese girls are picky compared to others Asian countries,the worst would be South Korea where it's for sure the place to avoid when dating in Asia.[/quote]



Japanese and Koreans are one of the most conservative societies in Asia /World, besides they are considered rich countries and we all know what happens once women have access to jobs and money.
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I do believe this so called p***y paradises are susceptible to corruption, cities such as Cebu City can literally get destroyed by 1000 young and good looking anglos. Some guys from Rooshv forum have visited PH ....
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Postby kai1275 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:42 pm

Maverick wrote:Interesting thread.

What clothes would you guys suggest wearing? My usual style is either a button down or long sleeve from Express, jeans, left earring, and a necklace I got from Thailand.

No bright colors or anything.

Is that too much for asian countries?


To be blunt, that does not say or mean very much. You will have to get a lot more specific than that. Perhaps photos of the clothes and that earring. Maybe we need a clothing/style forum or main thread for "What Not to Wear".
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Postby kai1275 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:44 pm

E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:
kai1275 wrote:
Voice of Reason wrote:So in other words this whole site is contributing to the problem instead of offering a solution?


A few of us try to offer a solution here at HA, but sadly most here are monger-ish. Most of the more vocal posters at least, especially the old school guys here.

The real solution is just keep a low key look and not be a whore. Instead of using a multi-pronged strategy approach to dating abroad, many men just like to land on the ground like evil Zod from Superman and look around for victims. It just gives off the impression that your dick is out while you are constantly approaching one female after the other. I bet some of those clowns probably are getting talked about behind their backs, in other languages, from one girl to the next at times. Doesn't keep them from getting laid, but it never is a good thing.


Hey hey hey now! I am not being disingenuous about it; I am really not a monger, but I do monger when time is limited in that country. Like I said a few times before, I maintain good relationships with most of the women whom I had non-p4p relationships with in those foreign country. I had both mongered and got regular non-p4p women.


eh... I will say this though. Of all the mongers here, I actually respect you a lot and the way you carry yourself for the most part. You are still crazy as hell though. :wink:
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Postby MrPeabody » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:41 pm

I agree with the op. When I went to Medellin over ten years ago, I didn't see one Gringo. Now, there is a small industry colonizing gringos there. From the reports I have read, the place sounds totally ruined - gringos are now seen as a nuisance instead of something special. American culture is the great destroyer of other cultures. With the Internet today spreading information, a place can be ruined very quickly. if you know a good place, keep your mouth shut.
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Postby Attorney at Large » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:17 pm

Interesting topic. Men by nature will go to the best hunting grounds available. Then they tell their buddies about it and soon they're there trying to make the most kills. Eventually the "game" gets wise and devises a strategy to survive and thrive. This is happening and so "the hunt" for better hunting grounds continues. Best hunters keep their best hunting grounds to themselves and keep quiet about it.
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Postby Banano » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:14 pm

Women are clever and respond by raising the bar just like they did in the West.


Places like Rio,Medellin, Phuket, Prague used to be p***y heavens, nowadays you better be sharp, young and have 'game' if you want to score with non hooker

I have noticed something interesting, 10-20+ years ago it was only older/unattractive men who were going overseas to get some action, these days guys in their 20s are jumping on the plane

desperation among western guys is on all time high, in the area where I live brothels are popping up like mushrooms, both legal and illegal ones, some of them started operating 24/7.Obviously there is demand.
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