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Are men over 30 just supposed to chop their dicks off?

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Postby Jester » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:26 pm

Cornfed wrote:Obviously most little skanks want to be boned by seasoned older men rather than little twerps their own age. They are just conditioned to pretend not to. You just need a social situation where they have permission to express their true feelings.


+1

I'm sure that is true.

Look at the male coaches that get tail.

Just had an old movie on this morning, "Margie", about a highschool girl with a crush on teacher.

Hmmm... teaching overseas.... Korea.... :wink:
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Postby Jester » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:47 pm

Jeremy wrote:I'm a 26 year old barista and already have to rely on the odd hooker to get my needs met. By the time I can afford to leave this godforsaken cuntry, I'll be too old to take advantage of the dating climate abroad. Looks like I'll just have to accept the idea of never having a prime.


Barista is a transportable skill. Got to be a place where you could go now, not later. Someplace with money and a shortage of labor.

Japan, Norway, Estonia, Dubai....

American workers do get hired in Europe and Asia, we are perceived as being good with customer service, and relatively dependable.
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Re: Are men over 30 just supposed to chop their dicks off?

Postby Teal Lantern » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:47 pm

Jeremy wrote:Based on age limits on dating sites and what I've seen in real life, most girls in the 18-25 range won't date guys more than 5 years older than them. Problem is women over 25 are hideous. Yeah, I know there are exceptions.

But let's face it: the vast majority of late 20's women don't do any resistance training and have at least gone through a fat phase at some point (thus permanently stretching the skin). And even for women who've done everything right and have terrific genes, 33 seems to be the limit for looking attractive.

So basically you only have a decade to experience hot sex (if you're lucky), and then it's over? What about the next frickin' 60 years?


The "hot sex" was only bait.
The trick was for a father to get her married off to you while she was still the "hot" 18 year old.
If he were REALLY clever, you thought it was your idea and you were getting over. :D
By the time you were 30, you'd be 10 years in and have a bunch of kids to take care of, and you'd be stuck like Chuck.
As your own daughters approached their teen years, you'd prepare to pull the same scam on the next sap. :shock:

What about the next frickin' 60 years?

Before workplace safety laws, this wasn't usually a concern. :D
Presuming you survived the shift, you could head over to Winston's Saloon & Brothel for some side action.

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Postby The Professor » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:43 am

I'm seeing more and more couples where the woman is significantly older than the man. The situation is even worse in China. Almost all of the foreign guys I knew in China who had girlfriends were dating older women. Some were dating women 10-20 years older!

Women have always had a sexual preference for men in their physical prime, which is around 20. That's when men have the most stamina, the most energy, the highest testosterone levels, have the fastest metabolisms, have the strongest immune systems, are the leanest, and generally the strongest. So back during the Paleolithic era these men would have made the best providers. Back then 30 was roughly the average life expectancy, so it wasn't in a woman's best interest to mate with a man over 30 since he would not only be an inferior provider, but he would probably die soon. All around not a good investment for the woman, who had to carry the baby for 9 months and take care of it for years.

You might wonder why any of that matters since older men make more money and are better providers now. The truth is our instincts have not really changed since the Paleolithic era. There was a short period where a lot of women married older men if they were good providers but older male providers have since become obsolete.

Men want women that are around 20 because they're the most fertile and most likely to bear healthy children. The difference is any 30 year old woman can date 20 year old guys but for a 30 year old guy to date a 20 year old woman or even a 25 year old woman, he needs to be exceptionally wealthy or have great looks and look younger than his age. Lots of 30+ guys think the latter of the two applies to them but most of them are just lying to themselves.
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Postby Cornfed » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:14 am

The Professor wrote:Women have always had a sexual preference for men in their physical prime, which is around 20. That's when men have the most stamina, the most energy, the highest testosterone levels, have the fastest metabolisms, have the strongest immune systems, are the leanest, and generally the strongest.

20 is not the physical prime of most men. It is well known in powerlifting circles that a man's potential strength peaks at 25, remains stable for 10 years or so and then slowly declines. This means his actual strength may peak in his 40s. Plus you get your "old man strength", which I put down to the thickening of connective tissue having an effect like a bench shirt. It is true your ability to run marathons, go 12 rounds with Tyson etc. decreases before then, but for day to day life, I would say the peak is around 40 for white men who keep themselves in shape. Of course if I could wave a magic wand and be 20 years younger I would do so, because then I would have 20 more years of youth. However, if I could choose to be a particular age forever, I would choose the age I am right now. Although I guess that means it is all downhill from here. :(
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Postby Jester » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:38 am

The Professor wrote:I'm seeing more and more couples where the woman is significantly older than the man. The situation is even worse in China. Almost all of the foreign guys I knew in China who had girlfriends were dating older women. Some were dating women 10-20 years older!

Women have always had a sexual preference for men in their physical prime, which is around 20. That's when men have the most stamina,
the most energy, the highest testosterone levels, have the fastest metabolisms, have the strongest immune systems, are the leanest, and generally the strongest. So back during the Paleolithic era these men would have made the best providers. Back then 30 was roughly the average life expectancy, so it wasn't in a woman's best interest to mate with a man over 30 since he would not only be an inferior provider, but he would probably die soon. All around not a good investment for the woman, who had to carry the baby for 9 months and take care of it for years.

You might wonder why any of that matters since older men make more money and are better providers now. The truth is our instincts have not really changed since the Paleolithic era. There was a short period where a lot of women married older men if they were good providers but older male providers have since become obsolete.

Men want women that are around 20 because they're the most fertile and most likely to bear healthy children. The difference is any 30 year old woman can date 20 year old guys but for a 30 year old guy to date a 20 year old woman or even a 25 year old woman, he needs to be exceptionally wealthy or have great looks and look younger than his age. Lots of 30+ guys think the latter of the two applies to them but most of them are just lying to themselves.


I guess as a professor, you don't know much about the real world.

At no time in history, ever, have 20 year old's on average been the best provider. Not even when we were chasing deer to eat, and fighting off predators.

Nor are they usually even the best athletes. Let alone the best killers, hunters, farmers or traders.

When people died at 30 on average, they didn't look old, chubby or scrawny. They just got sick and died, or got killed. Some died as kids, some lived to 60 or beyond. 30 has never been "old".

And no, women do not rationally calculate self-interest. A name brand on a purse means more to a woman than a "good investment". Their mating decisions are swayed by sweet words, dance, music, candlelight, etc. If women were rational, Mark Zuckerberg would have groupies.

And human females have never been polyandrous. Even street whores can't help falling in love with their pimp.

Women are irrational. They want to belong to a man with status. In the absence of media programming, religious rules, and public education, that would generally be the oldest, most revered warrior in town. Till he got picked off. Just like any herd mammals.

But since we are not just animals, the younger guys would still have a chance. Through looks, sweet words, bold gestures, brave deeds, etc.

But in the absence of those things, females prefer higher status.

In the current situation, both sexes behave unnaturally. Men seek approval, women demand. Older independent bitches may indeed find boy toys, as you describe. Homosexual behavior spreads, and even self-mutilation is accepted. None of this is natural.
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Postby OutWest » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:53 am

Jester wrote:
The Professor wrote:I'm seeing more and more couples where the woman is significantly older than the man. The situation is even worse in China. Almost all of the foreign guys I knew in China who had girlfriends were dating older women. Some were dating women 10-20 years older!

Women have always had a sexual preference for men in their physical prime, which is around 20. That's when men have the most stamina,
the most energy, the highest testosterone levels, have the fastest metabolisms, have the strongest immune systems, are the leanest, and generally the strongest. So back during the Paleolithic era these men would have made the best providers. Back then 30 was roughly the average life expectancy, so it wasn't in a woman's best interest to mate with a man over 30 since he would not only be an inferior provider, but he would probably die soon. All around not a good investment for the woman, who had to carry the baby for 9 months and take care of it for years.

You might wonder why any of that matters since older men make more money and are better providers now. The truth is our instincts have not really changed since the Paleolithic era. There was a short period where a lot of women married older men if they were good providers but older male providers have since become obsolete.

Men want women that are around 20 because they're the most fertile and most likely to bear healthy children. The difference is any 30 year old woman can date 20 year old guys but for a 30 year old guy to date a 20 year old woman or even a 25 year old woman, he needs to be exceptionally wealthy or have great looks and look younger than his age. Lots of 30+ guys think the latter of the two applies to them but most of them are just lying to themselves.


I guess as a professor, you don't know much about the real world.

At no time in history, ever, have 20 year old's on average been the best provider. Not even when we were chasing deer to eat, and fighting off predators.

Nor are they usually even the best athletes. Let alone the best killers, hunters, farmers or traders.

When people died at 30 on average, they didn't look old, chubby or scrawny. They just got sick and died, or got killed. Some died as kids, some lived to 60 or beyond. 30 has never been "old".

And no, women do not rationally calculate self-interest. A name brand on a purse means more to a woman than a "good investment". Their mating decisions are swayed by sweet words, dance, music, candlelight, etc. If women were rational, Mark Zuckerberg would have groupies.

And human females have never been polyandrous. Even street whores can't help falling in love with their pimp.

Women are irrational. They want to belong to a man with status. In the absence of media programming, religious rules, and public education, that would generally be the oldest, most revered warrior in town. Till he got picked off. Just like any herd mammals.

But since we are not just animals, the younger guys would still have a chance. Through looks, sweet words, bold gestures, brave deeds, etc.

But in the absence of those things, females prefer higher status.

In the current situation, both sexes behave unnaturally. Men seek approval, women demand. Older independent bitches may indeed find boy toys, as you describe. Homosexual behavior spreads, and even self-mutilation is accepted. None of this is natural.

+1.....after you dump the conjecture...nature takes over
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Postby Billy » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:59 am

by the way did you heard of this guy who committed suicide and created the first suicide blog?

http://martinmanley.org/suicide_preface.html
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Postby The Professor » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:32 pm

Jester wrote:
The Professor wrote:I'm seeing more and more couples where the woman is significantly older than the man. The situation is even worse in China. Almost all of the foreign guys I knew in China who had girlfriends were dating older women. Some were dating women 10-20 years older!

Women have always had a sexual preference for men in their physical prime, which is around 20. That's when men have the most stamina,
the most energy, the highest testosterone levels, have the fastest metabolisms, have the strongest immune systems, are the leanest, and generally the strongest. So back during the Paleolithic era these men would have made the best providers. Back then 30 was roughly the average life expectancy, so it wasn't in a woman's best interest to mate with a man over 30 since he would not only be an inferior provider, but he would probably die soon. All around not a good investment for the woman, who had to carry the baby for 9 months and take care of it for years.

You might wonder why any of that matters since older men make more money and are better providers now. The truth is our instincts have not really changed since the Paleolithic era. There was a short period where a lot of women married older men if they were good providers but older male providers have since become obsolete.

Men want women that are around 20 because they're the most fertile and most likely to bear healthy children. The difference is any 30 year old woman can date 20 year old guys but for a 30 year old guy to date a 20 year old woman or even a 25 year old woman, he needs to be exceptionally wealthy or have great looks and look younger than his age. Lots of 30+ guys think the latter of the two applies to them but most of them are just lying to themselves.


I guess as a professor, you don't know much about the real world.

At no time in history, ever, have 20 year old's on average been the best provider. Not even when we were chasing deer to eat, and fighting off predators.

Nor are they usually even the best athletes. Let alone the best killers, hunters, farmers or traders.

When people died at 30 on average, they didn't look old, chubby or scrawny. They just got sick and died, or got killed. Some died as kids, some lived to 60 or beyond. 30 has never been "old".

And no, women do not rationally calculate self-interest. A name brand on a purse means more to a woman than a "good investment". Their mating decisions are swayed by sweet words, dance, music, candlelight, etc. If women were rational, Mark Zuckerberg would have groupies.

And human females have never been polyandrous. Even street whores can't help falling in love with their pimp.

Women are irrational. They want to belong to a man with status. In the absence of media programming, religious rules, and public education, that would generally be the oldest, most revered warrior in town. Till he got picked off. Just like any herd mammals.

But since we are not just animals, the younger guys would still have a chance. Through looks, sweet words, bold gestures, brave deeds, etc.

But in the absence of those things, females prefer higher status.

In the current situation, both sexes behave unnaturally. Men seek approval, women demand. Older independent bitches may indeed find boy toys, as you describe. Homosexual behavior spreads, and even self-mutilation is accepted. None of this is natural.


Of course 20 year olds made better hunters than 30 year olds during the Paleolithic era. Who has more energy, stamina and speed?

Why do you think most professional athletes have such short careers? Most NFL, NBA and MLB players end up getting cut from the team after 3 years or so. The average age for all three is around 26 to 27.

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/09/01/ ... he-oldest/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3670 ... verage-age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_league ... experience

The averages would be even lower if it wasn't for league enforced restrictions. In the NFL a player can't be drafted unless he has graduated high school three years prior, and since most people graduate high school at 18 that makes the minimum age pretty much 21.

Obviously there are superstars that last into their 30s if they're that damn good, but there is always a sharp decline.
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Postby Jeremy » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:13 pm

The Professor wrote:
Jester wrote:
The Professor wrote:I'm seeing more and more couples where the woman is significantly older than the man. The situation is even worse in China. Almost all of the foreign guys I knew in China who had girlfriends were dating older women. Some were dating women 10-20 years older!

Women have always had a sexual preference for men in their physical prime, which is around 20. That's when men have the most stamina,
the most energy, the highest testosterone levels, have the fastest metabolisms, have the strongest immune systems, are the leanest, and generally the strongest. So back during the Paleolithic era these men would have made the best providers. Back then 30 was roughly the average life expectancy, so it wasn't in a woman's best interest to mate with a man over 30 since he would not only be an inferior provider, but he would probably die soon. All around not a good investment for the woman, who had to carry the baby for 9 months and take care of it for years.

You might wonder why any of that matters since older men make more money and are better providers now. The truth is our instincts have not really changed since the Paleolithic era. There was a short period where a lot of women married older men if they were good providers but older male providers have since become obsolete.

Men want women that are around 20 because they're the most fertile and most likely to bear healthy children. The difference is any 30 year old woman can date 20 year old guys but for a 30 year old guy to date a 20 year old woman or even a 25 year old woman, he needs to be exceptionally wealthy or have great looks and look younger than his age. Lots of 30+ guys think the latter of the two applies to them but most of them are just lying to themselves.


I guess as a professor, you don't know much about the real world.

At no time in history, ever, have 20 year old's on average been the best provider. Not even when we were chasing deer to eat, and fighting off predators.

Nor are they usually even the best athletes. Let alone the best killers, hunters, farmers or traders.

When people died at 30 on average, they didn't look old, chubby or scrawny. They just got sick and died, or got killed. Some died as kids, some lived to 60 or beyond. 30 has never been "old".

And no, women do not rationally calculate self-interest. A name brand on a purse means more to a woman than a "good investment". Their mating decisions are swayed by sweet words, dance, music, candlelight, etc. If women were rational, Mark Zuckerberg would have groupies.

And human females have never been polyandrous. Even street whores can't help falling in love with their pimp.

Women are irrational. They want to belong to a man with status. In the absence of media programming, religious rules, and public education, that would generally be the oldest, most revered warrior in town. Till he got picked off. Just like any herd mammals.

But since we are not just animals, the younger guys would still have a chance. Through looks, sweet words, bold gestures, brave deeds, etc.

But in the absence of those things, females prefer higher status.

In the current situation, both sexes behave unnaturally. Men seek approval, women demand. Older independent bitches may indeed find boy toys, as you describe. Homosexual behavior spreads, and even self-mutilation is accepted. None of this is natural.


Of course 20 year olds made better hunters than 30 year olds during the Paleolithic era. Who has more energy, stamina and speed?

Why do you think most professional athletes have such short careers? Most NFL, NBA and MLB players end up getting cut from the team after 3 years or so. The average age for all three is around 26 to 27.

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/09/01/ ... he-oldest/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3670 ... verage-age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_league ... experience

The averages would be even lower if it wasn't for league enforced restrictions. In the NFL a player can't be drafted unless he has graduated high school three years prior, and since most people graduate high school at 18 that makes the minimum age pretty much 21.

Obviously there are superstars that last into their 30s if they're that damn good, but there is always a sharp decline.


Yep. Not to mention 20 year olds have healthier sperm, a shorter refractory period, higher fluid intelligence... There's really nothing good about aging beyond that point.
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Postby Jester » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:32 am

The Professor wrote:
Jester wrote:
The Professor wrote:I'm seeing more and more couples where the woman is significantly older than the man. The situation is even worse in China. Almost all of the foreign guys I knew in China who had girlfriends were dating older women. Some were dating women 10-20 years older!

Women have always had a sexual preference for men in their physical prime, which is around 20. That's when men have the most stamina,
the most energy, the highest testosterone levels, have the fastest metabolisms, have the strongest immune systems, are the leanest, and generally the strongest. So back during the Paleolithic era these men would have made the best providers. Back then 30 was roughly the average life expectancy, so it wasn't in a woman's best interest to mate with a man over 30 since he would not only be an inferior provider, but he would probably die soon. All around not a good investment for the woman, who had to carry the baby for 9 months and take care of it for years.

You might wonder why any of that matters since older men make more money and are better providers now. The truth is our instincts have not really changed since the Paleolithic era. There was a short period where a lot of women married older men if they were good providers but older male providers have since become obsolete.

Men want women that are around 20 because they're the most fertile and most likely to bear healthy children. The difference is any 30 year old woman can date 20 year old guys but for a 30 year old guy to date a 20 year old woman or even a 25 year old woman, he needs to be exceptionally wealthy or have great looks and look younger than his age. Lots of 30+ guys think the latter of the two applies to them but most of them are just lying to themselves.


I guess as a professor, you don't know much about the real world.

At no time in history, ever, have 20 year old's on average been the best provider. Not even when we were chasing deer to eat, and fighting off predators.

Nor are they usually even the best athletes. Let alone the best killers, hunters, farmers or traders.

When people died at 30 on average, they didn't look old, chubby or scrawny. They just got sick and died, or got killed. Some died as kids, some lived to 60 or beyond. 30 has never been "old".

And no, women do not rationally calculate self-interest. A name brand on a purse means more to a woman than a "good investment". Their mating decisions are swayed by sweet words, dance, music, candlelight, etc. If women were rational, Mark Zuckerberg would have groupies.

And human females have never been polyandrous. Even street whores can't help falling in love with their pimp.

Women are irrational. They want to belong to a man with status. In the absence of media programming, religious rules, and public education, that would generally be the oldest, most revered warrior in town. Till he got picked off. Just like any herd mammals.

But since we are not just animals, the younger guys would still have a chance. Through looks, sweet words, bold gestures, brave deeds, etc.

But in the absence of those things, females prefer higher status.

In the current situation, both sexes behave unnaturally. Men seek approval, women demand. Older independent bitches may indeed find boy toys, as you describe. Homosexual behavior spreads, and even self-mutilation is accepted. None of this is natural.


Of course 20 year olds made better hunters than 30 year olds during the Paleolithic era. Who has more energy, stamina and speed?


In pro sports, guys get cut for many reasons. If a guy is a star, they keep him till he has too many injuries to play. Declining stamina has little to do with it.

Baseball does not require college, but kids don't go straight to majors out of high school.

But I'm not really interested in what juiced-up professional-bound American kids can do.

I'm talking about fit men as a whole.

My 32 year old son is in the best shape of his life. He plays rugby now, it was football back in high school.

Injuries, yes. Less stamina, no.

As for paleolithic hunting, you are simply wrong. There was a lot more to hunting than "ready set go" and then boys and deer run a foot race. It isn't just sprint speed or stamina. It's tracking, it's observation, it's stealth, it's sprint, it's long-distance, it's hurling a lance, it's face-to-face combat in some cases - for example against wild boar.

Discipline, patience, persistence, courage, experience, intuition and ingenuity all come into play.

Leadership, too, since it's not always a solo activity.

The best hunters, fishermen, farmers, craftsmen, traders and warriors will always be adult men.
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Some bad news about aging

Postby Rock » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:53 am

From Runners World

Whether you're an Olympic champ or a midpack runner, your aerobic capacity falls with age. For a healthy, trained athlete, it's not your heart's stroke volume or your ability to extract oxygen from blood that changes with age, says Sandra Hunter, Ph.D., an exercise scientist at Marquette University in Milwaukee. "It's that your max heart rate declines, and no one can change that. It just plummets." While the classic formula for calculating max heart rate (220 minus your age) is just a rough estimate, "The reality is, your max heart rate declines by about a beat a year." No one knows the explanation, but this drop in aerobic capacity explains why the average 50–year–old can't compete against a 20–year–old. "You can't reach the same max heart rate, so you're operating at a lower intensity to begin with," says Hunter.

Aging also leads to a decline in muscle mass, as neurons supplying the muscles begin to die. "If the neurons shrink and die, the muscle fibers die," says Hunter. "Sometimes they get regenerated by new neurons, but as you age you can't keep pace with cell death. Training can slow the process, but it won't end it." The atrophy seems to pick up about age 60, and hits fast–twitch muscle fibers hardest. That's why speed falls off before endurance.

Usually, the age–related change that runners notice first is a drop in their ability to recover from training. Muscles store glycogen, so when you lose muscle mass with age, you also lose some of your glycogen reserves-and this means it takes longer to replenish these stores after a hard effort. Age–related hardening of the arteries also cuts blood flow to your tissues, which means it takes longer for stressed muscle fibers to receive the materials they need to rebuild. In addition, with age your cells and their power–generating components (called mitochondria) begin to accumulate oxidative damage as a by–product of normal metabolism, and as a result they operate less efficiently. Adding insult to injury, levels of testosterone and growth hormones that aid recovery also fall with age, says exercise physiologist Jonathan Dugas, Ph.D., coauthor of the blog Science of Sport.
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Re: Some bad news about aging

Postby Cornfed » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:25 am

Rock wrote:From Runners World

Whether you're an Olympic champ or a midpack runner, your aerobic capacity falls with age. For a healthy, trained athlete, it's not your heart's stroke volume or your ability to extract oxygen from blood that changes with age, says Sandra Hunter, Ph.D., an exercise scientist at Marquette University in Milwaukee. "It's that your max heart rate declines, and no one can change that. It just plummets."

Tell that to this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Young_%28athlete%29

In fact tell it to me who as a flabby guy in his mid thirties outpaces several super-fit Korean physical education teachers in their twenties walking up a mountain. You learn some things with age.

Like I said, the strength of most powerlifters peaks in their early 40s.
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Re: Some bad news about aging

Postby Jester » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:32 pm

Rock wrote:From Runners World

[b]Whether you're an Olympic champ or a midpack runner,


We are neither, and we are discussing neither.

We are discussing what kind of man actually is best at gaining status and attracting young hot women.

The discussion with Professor was about the Paleolithic, when running ability mattered MUCH more than now. And yet even THEN, as I clearly demonstrated above, men over 30, and probably over 40, were the highest status providers and protectors, and thus got first pick of the Paleo-Chicks.
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Re: Your Post Is Irrelevant to the Topic

Postby Jester » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:34 pm

Rock wrote:From Runners World

[b]Whether you're an Olympic champ or a midpack runner,


We are neither, and we are discussing neither.

We are discussing what kind of man actually is best at gaining status and attracting young hot women.

The discussion with Professor was about the Paleolithic, when running ability mattered MUCH more than now. And yet even THEN, as I clearly demonstrated above, men over 30, and probably over 40, got first pick.
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