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Postby zacb » Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:50 am

The only problem is that even the low wage jobs are being picked over. So in any case, it is hard, but keep your head up.
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Postby onethousandknives » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:08 am

Learn to do as many skills as possible and find as many ways to get things for free (without like, being immoral, ie, stealing them.) Money does not have magical powers. It's only an exchange for goods or services. Some things require money. Obviously taking an airline flight, or paying a road toll, takes money. So you need some amount of money.

However, let's say you want grapes. You go to the store and buy them? Well they cost like $3 per pound at the store, at least, and definitely not organic/etc. So anyway, I want grapes (during this time of the year only I guess,) I go and look for a specific leaf pattern I know will be vines with a big type of grape (muscadine) and look in those vines for grapes. Lo and behold, grapes. Spend 5-10 minutes picking the grapes from the random vines in the park or by the side of the road or something, save $3. Let's say you work and get paid $10 an hour. So that's 20 minutes you'd have had to work to get grapes it took you only 5-10 to get. See? Plus the grapes imo are better than store bought anyway.

So my philosophy anyway, it follows to some extent "freegan" ideology. Not as extreme or radical, but yes. The more ways you can find to be very very smart with finding things for free or very cheap, or learning new skills to save you money (ie, car repair,) I feel makes you less of a slave and generally a more useful person to have around in case of a real SHTF scenario. While everyone else hits the supermarkets and riots (because as it is now, if the all the prepackaged food, or hell, even Hot Pockets, went off store shelves, shit WOULD hit the fan, even if normal staples remained,) you can be comfortable knowing all the resources around you and how to tap them. In this sense, I'm talking more like being a real survivalist, and not a guy with a gun who watches Alex Jones all day.

Obviously the traditional career path/make gobs of money/etc, is needed a little bit, so you don't live in a van (unless you're cool with that) begging people for money. However in pursuit of "making money" people lose sight that money isn't a magic, it's just a trade for resources, experiences, or time. If you can get said resources, experience, or time without or with less money, then why pay money for them when you can barter more of your own time or effort not in the form of money?
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Postby Jeremy » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:15 am

zacb wrote:The only problem is that even the low wage jobs are being picked over. So in any case, it is hard, but keep your head up.


True. The only reason I was able to land one is because I worked there six summers ago.
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Postby tre » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:20 am

Rocky Top wrote:I'm an electrical engineer (9 years experience with a power utility) and I have been putting out resumes with just about every big company imaginable to get me out of here (GE, Baker-Hughes, KBR, etc).


How long have you been putting out these resumes? Are you having difficulties finding work abroad or have you just started to make it your focus?
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Postby SilverEnergy » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:46 pm

zacb wrote:I am working on skills and such. I just wanted to put that question out there.


No you're not.

Or else you would have had a real estate deal done already.

Have you walked through any properties or worked with a real estate mentor or real estate mentor group?

Are you driving by looking at any properties that are for sale that you might be interested in?

The worst thing you could do in this day and age is look for a "job".

Don't any of you guys listen to Robert Kiyosaki at all?
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Postby kai1275 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:03 pm

tre wrote:Very good topic and good suggestions.

Kai1275...you are an engineer? What type if you don't mind me asking? I'm not particularly young at 36, but thinking about going back to school and getting a degree in Electrical Engineering. After MUCH thought and research, it seems that Engineering is the way to go if you want to live abroad AND make $$. The only better, higher paid position is upper level management (various types) which requires years of impressive experience. For instance, I know a guy that makes around $300K-$400K working as an upper level F&B Manager of a Casino in Singapore.


I spent 3 years as an EE major and changed to Political Science and History with a minor in Chinese. Now I am an IT consultant. If you ask why, that is a long story. lol
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Postby kai1275 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:08 pm

SilverEnergy wrote:Get some money stacked and INVEST or learn how to start a business.

If you become proficient at real estate, the world is your oyster.

Don't you guys ever think of getting mentors or coaches, instead of asking questions on here?

Start DOING SOMETHING and TAKING ACTION instead of loitering around on these forums.


I mentor and coach young men all the time in my spare time. Used to be just young black men, but now it's anyone willing to listen to me. Skin color be damned. I try to avoid mentoring women and girls of any background for reasons not worth listing.

I get your point though SS. There are quite a few people here on HA unqualified to provide good advice. However, everyone can learn from a fool.
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Postby kai1275 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:15 pm

Rocky Top wrote:
kai1275 wrote:Skill up and stack paper. Decrease your expenses and pay the mandatory bills and debts you have. I don't care what your skill is, plumbing, HVAC, IT, etc. get it up as HIGH as you can with professional licenses and certifications.

If you want to use a sure fire way to get out of the country on someone else's dime, become an engineer. Sure, you gotta go to college, but many multinational companies (like Energy and Oil and Gas), BEG people to go work abroad. Getting outside the US, makes it super easier to travel around the world. The company's HR takes care of your paperwork and work visa bullshit, taxes, etc. Engineers that travel get paid higher regardless of experience. Even if they sent you to Saudi or Dubai. That is a shorter trip to Asia or Europe! Many of these companies may even give you an apartment too! Average Engineers with under 5 years experience usually make 65-75K abroad. If any of you ever choose to go this route, holla at me, I might be able to help you find work once you get outta school. Maybe even an internship.

Americans hate travel. Use that to your advantage before trends change.

Review Cliff Notes: Get a real f***ing skill and max it out.


I'm an electrical engineer (9 years experience with a power utility) and I have been putting out resumes with just about every big company imaginable to get me out of here (GE, Baker-Hughes, KBR, etc).


Part of your issue might be your location. Houston is a better place for you to be at, in order to get out, if you are indeed in Tennessee. Your age can help or hurt you depending upon the company too. Power Generation is not really an area of travel in a way, depends upon what exactly you do. If you are serious about getting out using this, send me a PM.
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Postby Devil Dog » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:37 pm

Jeremy wrote:Solving equations while being sexually frustrated as f**k for four years doesn't sound worth it... especially considering an engineering degree is no longer a guarantee of stable employment.

Most guys would be better off skipping college entirely and working at their local butcher shop after high school.




This is the mentality of the average HA member. "Four years? It's not worth it." I'm not going to do it because "There's no longer a guarantee of stable employment."

So four years from now you will be exactly where you are now, a wannabee without the means to do what you want to do. And here is a news flash: There was never a guarantee of stable employment.
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Postby Devil Dog » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:37 pm

Jeremy wrote:Solving equations while being sexually frustrated as f**k for four years doesn't sound worth it... especially considering an engineering degree is no longer a guarantee of stable employment.

Most guys would be better off skipping college entirely and working at their local butcher shop after high school.




This is the mentality of the average HA member. "Four years? It's not worth it." I'm not going to do it because "There's no longer a guarantee of stable employment."

So four years from now you will be exactly where you are now, a wannabee without the means to do what you want to do. And here is a news flash: There was never a guarantee of stable employment.
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Postby djfourmoney » Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:53 pm

kai1275 wrote:Skill up and stack paper. Decrease your expenses and pay the mandatory bills and debts you have. I don't care what your skill is, plumbing, HVAC, IT, etc. get it up as HIGH as you can with professional licenses and certifications.

If you want to use a sure fire way to get out of the country on someone else's dime, become an engineer. Sure, you gotta go to college, but many multinational companies (like Energy and Oil and Gas), BEG people to go work abroad. Getting outside the US, makes it super easier to travel around the world. The company's HR takes care of your paperwork and work visa bullshit, taxes, etc. Engineers that travel get paid higher regardless of experience. Even if they sent you to Saudi or Dubai. That is a shorter trip to Asia or Europe! Many of these companies may even give you an apartment too! Average Engineers with under 5 years experience usually make 65-75K abroad. If any of you ever choose to go this route, holla at me, I might be able to help you find work once you get outta school. Maybe even an internship.

Americans hate travel. Use that to your advantage before trends change.

Review Cliff Notes: Get a real f***ing skill and max it out.


You don't have to go that far actually.

A guy that used to repair helicopters in the Army, first taught others how to do it in a tech school in Honduras I think and now runs his own helicopter repair and service hangar, he doesn't work at all, just manages.

If you have no skills at all, you're in trouble, but you can learn just about anything in six months to a year.

I think I told the story of the late-40's Dell employee that was laid off at the start of the crisis. Lots everything, took his laptop and crossed the broader without a passport of any kind. He found a job on Craigslist in Construction (no previous experience), was given a budget to hire some helpers and slept in the building itself until this boss allowed him to stay in the construction trailer overnight.

That was back in 2009-2010. He's a copywriter in Merida, Mexico with a local GF.

Everybody wants to push this official route which is going to college. That's fine for anybody that wants to spend two years in a classroom on theory, you could do that sh*t at home frankly, you're only going to school to socialize.

Stacking paper is the best thing. Do whatever you can to live cheap, saving money starts with the ability to save it. Take the bus, move back into your parents house, whatever.

@Devil Dog

There will be another financial crash within the next 2-5 years, so look for mass shedding of jobs once again.

College is not worth it to be sexually frustrated. Go to community college, save your money and go to cheap locations for action. About $500 from anywhere in the country will get you a ticket to Costa Rica or Dominican Republic roundtrip.

Geezus, my boy Cheapskate Jake, does this, works at Wal-Mart just finish school to become a plumber. Lives in North Carolina and goes to DR or CR every few months and PAYS HIS CHILD SUPPORT.

No excuses.
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Postby zacb » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:51 pm

SilverEnergy wrote:
zacb wrote:I am working on skills and such. I just wanted to put that question out there.


No you're not.

Or else you would have had a real estate deal done already.

Have you walked through any properties or worked with a real estate mentor or real estate mentor group?

Are you driving by looking at any properties that are for sale that you might be interested in?

The worst thing you could do in this day and age is look for a "job".

Don't any of you guys listen to Robert Kiyosaki at all?


Actually, I was referring to freelance skills. But I have also been looking at properties as well. There were two that happened to catch my eye. My idea is to secure a down payment through employment (which I have one position I am aiming for), and go from there. So yes i have read on it, I just need the liquidity in order to secure a deal. And yes I have read some of his material.
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Postby zacb » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:53 pm

And actually, there is no such groups around here (except for maybe realtors). It is one of the areas I would like to study up on.
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Postby zacb » Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:55 pm

djfourmoney wrote:
kai1275 wrote:Skill up and stack paper. Decrease your expenses and pay the mandatory bills and debts you have. I don't care what your skill is, plumbing, HVAC, IT, etc. get it up as HIGH as you can with professional licenses and certifications.

If you want to use a sure fire way to get out of the country on someone else's dime, become an engineer. Sure, you gotta go to college, but many multinational companies (like Energy and Oil and Gas), BEG people to go work abroad. Getting outside the US, makes it super easier to travel around the world. The company's HR takes care of your paperwork and work visa bullshit, taxes, etc. Engineers that travel get paid higher regardless of experience. Even if they sent you to Saudi or Dubai. That is a shorter trip to Asia or Europe! Many of these companies may even give you an apartment too! Average Engineers with under 5 years experience usually make 65-75K abroad. If any of you ever choose to go this route, holla at me, I might be able to help you find work once you get outta school. Maybe even an internship.

Americans hate travel. Use that to your advantage before trends change.

Review Cliff Notes: Get a real f***ing skill and max it out.


You don't have to go that far actually.

A guy that used to repair helicopters in the Army, first taught others how to do it in a tech school in Honduras I think and now runs his own helicopter repair and service hangar, he doesn't work at all, just manages.

If you have no skills at all, you're in trouble, but you can learn just about anything in six months to a year.

I think I told the story of the late-40's Dell employee that was laid off at the start of the crisis. Lots everything, took his laptop and crossed the broader without a passport of any kind. He found a job on Craigslist in Construction (no previous experience), was given a budget to hire some helpers and slept in the building itself until this boss allowed him to stay in the construction trailer overnight.

That was back in 2009-2010. He's a copywriter in Merida, Mexico with a local GF.

Everybody wants to push this official route which is going to college. That's fine for anybody that wants to spend two years in a classroom on theory, you could do that sh*t at home frankly, you're only going to school to socialize.

Stacking paper is the best thing. Do whatever you can to live cheap, saving money starts with the ability to save it. Take the bus, move back into your parents house, whatever.

@Devil Dog

There will be another financial crash within the next 2-5 years, so look for mass shedding of jobs once again.

College is not worth it to be sexually frustrated. Go to community college, save your money and go to cheap locations for action. About $500 from anywhere in the country will get you a ticket to Costa Rica or Dominican Republic roundtrip.

Geezus, my boy Cheapskate Jake, does this, works at Wal-Mart just finish school to become a plumber. Lives in North Carolina and goes to DR or CR every few months and PAYS HIS CHILD SUPPORT.

No excuses.


Inspiring stuff.
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Postby SilverEnergy » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:52 pm

If you just have to go to college, community colleges have 2 year programs that will pretty much get you working right after you get your Associate's Degree.

I agree for those who are getting impatient and suffering, a university might not be the best thing for you unless you go into a study abroad program.
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