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Postby Teal Lantern » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:49 pm

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/i-dont-love-my-fiance-anymore-but-i-need-his-money-so-im-going-to-marry-him-anyway/
My fiancé is a good man, much better than I deserve.

When we first met, I was head over heels.
But the feeling of comfort quickly turned into a feeling of boredom

I still have sex with him, of course, I just don’t enjoy it.

I might take a lover at some point in the future, but I’m in no rush to do so at the moment.
We’re getting married in the spring, and it’s going to be beautiful.


These last two quoted together because they ARE together, in the piece.

I won't call her any of the nasty names some used in the comments.
There were enough defending her, I'll just start calling these types "normal". :|
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Postby tre » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:58 pm

Marriage just doesn't seem to be worth it, especially if you have no plans for children. Up until the day you are married, you can walk away if she f***s up. She KNOWS you can walk away if she f***s up so she behaves. The MINUTE you are married, she's got your balls and can rip them off through you wallet.

If you wanna get married, you best marry someone much richer than you are. At least then, the ball is in YOUR court....
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Postby Rocky Top » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:58 am

That may be the most disgusting article I've ever read.
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Postby Ghost » Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:12 am

And with the start of gay marriage, liberals will see unintended repercussions when the richer "husbands" in gay couples start getting put through the meat grinder in divorce court. Marriage has been forever destroyed, and it will remain so for at least our lifetimes. If you really want to be married to a woman, then just be with her. No government involvement.
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Re: Par for the course

Postby Jester » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:22 am

Teal Lantern wrote:
[color=darkblue]http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/i-dont-love-my-fiance-anymore-but-i-need-his-money-so-im-going-to-marry-him-anyway/



The whole thing is worth quoting:


I think about what my mother would say if she knew, and I cringe. She is a strong feminist — raised in the second wave, where things were loud and new and revolutionary — and she taught me to be the same. I love and embrace my womanhood, and I would embrace my independence along with it, if that were an option. But as of now, it is not, and I could never tell her. I couldn’t watch the way her face fell as she realized that her daughter has fallen into exactly the traps and the lifestyle that she worked so tirelessly to eradicate. She fought to live her own life on her own terms, and I am choosing the comfort and security of living someone else’s.

My fiancé is a good man, much better than I deserve. He is smart, and kind, and extremely generous — with his money, yes, but also with his time and his emotions. He is the friend who would pick you up from the middle of nowhere at three in the morning if your car ran out of gas. He would lend you whatever you needed without asking uncomfortable questions. He believes in the good in people, and life has always rewarded him for it. Until, I guess, life matched him up with me.

When we first met, I was head over heels. I was younger, just out of college, and saw the couple-years-older professional man as this port in a storm of my own recklessness. He provided a sense of warmth and familiarity that I had never known, and I was intoxicated with the feeling of playing house with someone who could actually afford to buy one. While he showed me his version of life — restaurants, shopping trips, vacations — I showed him that there was no need to be as serious and reasonable as he always insisted on being. He became just as obsessed with my frivolity as I was with his reserve.

But the feeling of comfort quickly turned into a feeling of boredom, and four years later, I am more thrilled by the prospect of a good show on TV and a glass of Chardonnay than I am about going out to yet another fancy restaurant with my picture-perfect fiancé. In the interest of not mincing words, I will simply say that I do not love him anymore. He is sweet, and does nothing wrong, and I am lulled into an emotional coma just by being around him. My care for him is near-endless, but my interest and passion are all but nonexistent. I look at him as a beloved family member, not as a life or sex partner.

I still have sex with him, of course, I just don’t enjoy it. It’s not adventurous, it’s not hot, it’s not any of the things that I used to wish for but now have grown fully accustomed to not having. While I occasionally fantasize about sex with someone who deeply excites me, I am lucky enough to have a sex drive that is low enough that I am not pushed into cheating just to fill my basic needs. More than anything, I’d like the thrill of a new first kiss, but I can live without it. I might take a lover at some point in the future, but I’m in no rush to do so at the moment.

We’re getting married in the spring, and it’s going to be beautiful. We have over 100 guests, we’ve rented the kind of Northeastern beach house that I used to dream about when thinking of my perfect, glossy-magazine wedding. There will be paper lanterns, and roast duck, and a fondant-covered cake, and a Grace Kelly dress. We will have the most talented photographer, the most delicious caterer, the most envious guests. At the end of it, I will be overwhelmed with compliments and well-wishes and comments about how wonderful my life is. They will ignore the fact that I have been struggling to make a living with my paintings for the past six years, and that my inability to support myself financially means that this wedding is as much a business deal as it is a joining of families.

I will take his last name, and his health insurance. His ring, and access to all of his bank accounts. In marrying him, I will secure a future that I could never have had otherwise, and the worst fate that I will face is being a bored housewife who resents her girlfriends who have been able to carve out a fulfilling career. My husband will treat me well, and take care of our future children, and make our perfectly-decorated house the envy of every woman in the neighborhood. I will live the life of a pampered housecat, and one day I will maybe even find a hobby or passion that will make me feel the joy of being alive again. For now, though, I will be comfortable, and that is more than many people will have.

I might never sell a single painting, but I will never be a starving artist.

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Postby Cornfed » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:29 am

At least this female seems to realize as some level that she is garbage. It just goes to show that there is no reward for being nice to Western females now. Probably if the man had treated her like the garbage she is and kept his whip oiled, their relationship would be in a lot healthier state.
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Re: Par for the course

Postby Jester » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:08 am

I find this article fascinating. I am almost obsessed. It is a great backgrounder for the PUA POV.

I am obsessed with analyzing WHERE and WHEN the poor victim of this malevolent succubus could have avoided the hell he is trotting into.


....He believes in the good in people, and life has always rewarded him for it. Until, I guess, life matched him up with me.....




..... I was younger, just out of college, and saw the couple-years-older professional man as this port in a storm of my own recklessness.....



Don't be a White Knight... don't date troubled or angry girls, unless you yourself are a tatted up jailbird.




I was intoxicated with the feeling of playing house with someone who could actually afford to buy one.....



Hard to see what the guy could do different here. Better to be a polygamist, though, with rotating girls coming in to cook, clean and sleep over. Living together in monogamy allows one woman to take over your life. It's "what they DO".




But the feeling of comfort quickly turned into a feeling of boredom, and four years later, I am more thrilled by the prospect of a good show on TV and a glass of Chardonnay than I am about going out to yet another fancy restaurant with my picture-perfect fiancé. In the interest of not mincing words, I will simply say that I do not love him anymore. He is sweet, and does nothing wrong, and I am lulled into an emotional coma just by being around him. My care for him is near-endless, but my interest and passion are all but nonexistent. I look at him as a beloved family member, not as a life or sex partner.



Again, hard to see what the guy did wrong. Sure, spank the woman, do kinky stuff, live an exciting life. But women do tend over time to gravitate to a boring life.. then blame you for it.
Jester's tentative answers:
(1) Live a life you're passionate about
(2) Be a committed and determined polygamist. Competition excites women.



I still have sex with him, of course, I just don’t enjoy it. It’s not adventurous, it’s not hot, it’s not any of the things that I used to wish for but now have grown fully accustomed to not having.



Spank 'em. Leave them alone at night every now and then. Have other women. Treat them harshly a lot of the time. Withhold approval. Make them work for it... like a racehorse.



While I occasionally fantasize about sex with someone who deeply excites me



WOW. Again, fuel for the PUA POV. Pretty damn hard to defend marriage when women are like this.
Solution: Just be Mr InBetween? Been there, done that. Kinda bleak. {sigh}

A good woman is hard to find. Stay with women from very very conservative cultures I guess. And no TV in the home with soap operas etc.

And give them some of that drama hey seem to need so bad:
"Spank 'em. Leave them alone at night every now and then. Have other women. Treat them harshly a lot of the time. Withhold approval. Make them work for it... like a racehorse."



We’re getting married in the spring, and it’s going to be beautiful. We have over 100 guests, we’ve rented the kind of Northeastern beach house that I used to dream about when thinking of my perfect, glossy-magazine wedding. There will be paper lanterns, and roast duck, and a fondant-covered cake, and a Grace Kelly dress.



D'oh!! {slaps forehead} OK no marriage. At least not the kind with a wedding that the woman plans. If I marry again (it will be off the books of course), ****I**** will plan it. My statement, to my invited guests, my way. It's not going to be a substitute for the Sweet Sixteen or Coming Out party or Quinceñera that she never had.


I will take his last name, and his health insurance. His ring, and access to all of his bank accounts.



You couldn't make this up. Total rebuttal to critics of MGTOW.

My thoughts: Her accounts become joint, mine stay separate. My will names my sons as heirs, not wives/gfs.

And polygamy. OH yeah, polygamy.

And maybe a diamond ring or the equivalent should be give after the birth of a son, rather than for "engagement". Let her earn it.
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Postby Halwick » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:48 am

I remember reading an interview with Jack Nicholson where he described marriage as a kind of merry-go-round. Women get on the merry-go-round and tries to change the man. To the extent where she successfully changes the man, she stops respecting him and loses interest in the man. Then she gets off the merry-co-round, but not before stripping the man of all is assets and possessions. The finds another man and repeats the process.
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Re: Par for the course

Postby Teal Lantern » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:31 am

Jester wrote:I find this article fascinating. I am almost obsessed. It is a great backgrounder for the PUA POV.

I am obsessed with analyzing WHERE and WHEN the poor victim of this malevolent succubus could have avoided the hell he is trotting into.


The guy failed when he showed up as a decent human being. :lol:

I've been Good Guy Greg and I've been (just a little bit :oops:) Scumbag Steve.
"Steve" had a LOT more fun. :shock:
At some point, though, females always want to tame you -- then they complain about your becoming tame. :roll:
You're supposed to develop ambition, but still have unlimited time to entertain them, like "in the beginning".
Just like the woman who wrote this. :roll:

MGTOWs who won't (re)marry or cohabitate but still date say "don't be the husband, be the other guy".
There just aren't enough NAWALTs to go around.

As more men decide to be the "other" guy, the fems are finding not enough Good Guy Gregs there willing to financially catch them when their "fun" years end.
Legal or not, there's going to be a lot more p4p -- No hubby around and Landlord is only going to trade pu$$y for rent a limited number of times. :lol:

You'll do fine over the border or overseas, Jester.
Now, you just have to figure out what legal vehicle will keep your son's wives from stealing half the inheritance. :)
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Re: Par for the course

Postby kai1275 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:06 pm

Jester wrote:
Teal Lantern wrote:
[color=darkblue]http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/i-dont-love-my-fiance-anymore-but-i-need-his-money-so-im-going-to-marry-him-anyway/



The whole thing is worth quoting:


I think about what my mother would say if she knew, and I cringe. She is a strong feminist — raised in the second wave, where things were loud and new and revolutionary — and she taught me to be the same. I love and embrace my womanhood, and I would embrace my independence along with it, if that were an option. But as of now, it is not, and I could never tell her. I couldn’t watch the way her face fell as she realized that her daughter has fallen into exactly the traps and the lifestyle that she worked so tirelessly to eradicate. She fought to live her own life on her own terms, and I am choosing the comfort and security of living someone else’s.

My fiancé is a good man, much better than I deserve. He is smart, and kind, and extremely generous — with his money, yes, but also with his time and his emotions. He is the friend who would pick you up from the middle of nowhere at three in the morning if your car ran out of gas. He would lend you whatever you needed without asking uncomfortable questions. He believes in the good in people, and life has always rewarded him for it. Until, I guess, life matched him up with me.

When we first met, I was head over heels. I was younger, just out of college, and saw the couple-years-older professional man as this port in a storm of my own recklessness. He provided a sense of warmth and familiarity that I had never known, and I was intoxicated with the feeling of playing house with someone who could actually afford to buy one. While he showed me his version of life — restaurants, shopping trips, vacations — I showed him that there was no need to be as serious and reasonable as he always insisted on being. He became just as obsessed with my frivolity as I was with his reserve.

But the feeling of comfort quickly turned into a feeling of boredom, and four years later, I am more thrilled by the prospect of a good show on TV and a glass of Chardonnay than I am about going out to yet another fancy restaurant with my picture-perfect fiancé. In the interest of not mincing words, I will simply say that I do not love him anymore. He is sweet, and does nothing wrong, and I am lulled into an emotional coma just by being around him. My care for him is near-endless, but my interest and passion are all but nonexistent. I look at him as a beloved family member, not as a life or sex partner.

I still have sex with him, of course, I just don’t enjoy it. It’s not adventurous, it’s not hot, it’s not any of the things that I used to wish for but now have grown fully accustomed to not having. While I occasionally fantasize about sex with someone who deeply excites me, I am lucky enough to have a sex drive that is low enough that I am not pushed into cheating just to fill my basic needs. More than anything, I’d like the thrill of a new first kiss, but I can live without it. I might take a lover at some point in the future, but I’m in no rush to do so at the moment.

We’re getting married in the spring, and it’s going to be beautiful. We have over 100 guests, we’ve rented the kind of Northeastern beach house that I used to dream about when thinking of my perfect, glossy-magazine wedding. There will be paper lanterns, and roast duck, and a fondant-covered cake, and a Grace Kelly dress. We will have the most talented photographer, the most delicious caterer, the most envious guests. At the end of it, I will be overwhelmed with compliments and well-wishes and comments about how wonderful my life is. They will ignore the fact that I have been struggling to make a living with my paintings for the past six years, and that my inability to support myself financially means that this wedding is as much a business deal as it is a joining of families.

I will take his last name, and his health insurance. His ring, and access to all of his bank accounts. In marrying him, I will secure a future that I could never have had otherwise, and the worst fate that I will face is being a bored housewife who resents her girlfriends who have been able to carve out a fulfilling career. My husband will treat me well, and take care of our future children, and make our perfectly-decorated house the envy of every woman in the neighborhood. I will live the life of a pampered housecat, and one day I will maybe even find a hobby or passion that will make me feel the joy of being alive again. For now, though, I will be comfortable, and that is more than many people will have.

I might never sell a single painting, but I will never be a starving artist.



Interesting. She seems to be struggling with Feminism because she sees that there is something wrong with it, except she has not quite figured out exactly what that something is.

You can see her morality and primitive logic abilities attempting to figure out the problem. As disgusting as this looks to most of you, this is problem solving at it's rawest form. Perhaps she will wake up and figure out what her true job is in life? A handful of former-feminists were awakened the same way she might someday.
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Postby jamesbond » Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:48 pm

Halwick wrote:I remember reading an interview with Jack Nicholson where he described marriage as a kind of merry-go-round. Women get on the merry-go-round and tries to change the man. To the extent where she successfully changes the man, she stops respecting him and loses interest in the man. Then she gets off the merry-co-round, but not before stripping the man of all is assets and possessions. The finds another man and repeats the process.


That describes marriage at least in English speaking countries perfectly! It is a "merry go around" where the woman get's off it whenever she feels like it and get's half of her ex-husbands net worth, not to mention possibly child support and alimony!

Marriage is a great deal for women, they can make out like a bandit in a divorce! :P
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