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How common is p4p?

Postby Jeremy » September 28th, 2013, 5:56 am

As far as I know, I'm the only guy in my social circle who's used hookers.
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Postby zboy1 » September 28th, 2013, 6:54 am

A lot more common than you think...there's a social stigma attached to it, so many men will not admit to having done P4P, but if there wasn't so much demand out there, you wouldn't see all these prostitutes out roaming the streets at night in any town or city, LOL.

And to be honest, as a Libertarian, I think prostitution should be made legal...I've been to Amsterdam and Holland, and there--P4P is controlled and regulated, so you don't have as many problems as you do in the States. And besides...if it was made legal in the States, you wouldn't have all these psychotic mass killers out there like George Sodini, Cho Seung Hui or Aaron Alexis going berserk all the time in the news in America. They would too busy banging all the prostitutes than plotting a mass killing somewhere...
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Postby Dragon » September 28th, 2013, 7:33 am

Ask Winston. He has a doctorate in p4p.
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Postby The Professor » September 28th, 2013, 12:53 pm

Much more common than you would think. You say you are the only guy in your social circle that used hookers but how do you know that? There is a huge amount of social shaming against men who use hookers. And unlike obesity homosexuality and drug use, social shaming against men who use hookers is not weakening and if anything it is getting worse. No man in his right mind would go around telling their friends they use hookers based on that alone. They would be admitting to something that would lower their social standing and they would gain nothing from doing so. Even if someone just told other guys, eventually girls they know will know about it because people talk. Guys might spread the news just to cock block him. Since women will instantly see any man who has used hookers as an untouchable, he would be lowering his chances of ever having sex with a woman that isn't a hooker even closer to zero. Most guys are socially aware to realize all this.
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Postby jamesbond » September 28th, 2013, 1:21 pm

zboy1 wrote:A lot more common than you think...there's a social stigma attached to it, so many men will not admit to having done P4P.

And to be honest, as a Libertarian, I think p4p should be made legal...I've been to Amsterdam and Holland, and there--P4P is controlled and regulated, so you don't have as many problems as you do in the States. And besides...if it was made legal in the States, you wouldn't have all these psychotic mass killers out there like George Sodini, Cho Seung Hui or Aaron Alexis going berserk all the time in the news in America. They would too busy banging all the hoes than plotting a mass killing somewhere...

It is an absolute joke that p4p is not legal in the United States. In most countries of the world, it is legal but in the puritanical USA, it is illegal.

Can you imagine the uproar from the feminists if p4p became legal? Not to mention all the religious groups would go bezerk as well.

If it was legal in America, the tax revenue that the hoes would have to pay could help lower the national debt! So going to a "call girl" would actually not only get a guy laid, it would also be a patriotic thing to do, you would be helping to lower the national debt! :D
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Postby Jeremy » September 28th, 2013, 1:50 pm

zboy1 wrote:A lot more common than you think...there's a social stigma attached to it, so many men will not admit to having done P4P, but if there wasn't so much demand out there, you wouldn't see all these hoes out roaming the streets at night in any town or city, LOL.

And to be honest, as a Libertarian, I think p4p should be made legal...I've been to Amsterdam and Holland, and there--P4P is controlled and regulated, so you don't have as many problems as you do in the States. And besides...if it was made legal in the States, you wouldn't have all these psychotic mass killers out there like George Sodini, Cho Seung Hui or Aaron Alexis going berserk all the time in the news in America. They would too busy banging all the hoes than plotting a mass killing somewhere...


Even my permacel friends with zero social value - some of whom admitted to being kissless virgins - wouldn't admit to using hoes when I broached the subject. I doubt they'd hide it from me. And this is in Canada, where it's legal.

I'm pretty sure Cho did call up a hooker a couple weeks before his shooting spree. But he wanted more than that (i.e. free sex from the sluts at his uni). And Alexis was Schizophrenic.
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Postby tre » September 28th, 2013, 3:49 pm

I have friends that readily admitted that they have used hookers (for BJ only). Being a hooker in many parts of Nevada is legal (not in Las Vegas), but it's regulated. Having sex with a hooker in hooker-legal areas of Nevada is probably safer than banging some drunk slut you met at a club. Having sex with an illegal hooker is where it gets more dangerous. My brothers friend got Syphilis after having sex just one time with one hooker in Las Vegas. He was drunk and his condom could have broke or fell off without him feeling it due to intoxication. A few weeks later, he got the depressing news from his doctor.

I personally wouldn't ever use a hooker as I don't feel that I should have to pay for it. I can get sex without having to pay and I kind of enjoy the challenge (when single). For those that are married and don't want to invest anything into it, that's where hookers are the easiest road I suppose. However, if you catch an STD from an illegal hooker, you will pass it on to your wife....pretty f***ed up situation that I wouldn't want to risk.

I agree with zboy though....it definitely should be legal. It would be safer if it were....just like drugs. I don't know how it works in all other countries, but you have to worry about the pimps in the USA. I worked in a hotel in Las Vegas (when I first moved there) and a pimp beat a guy nearly to death after falling asleep in his hotel room with a hooker in his room. The hooker sent a text message to the pimp and opened the hotel room door for him. The poor guy woke up to a pimp intent on destroying him and robbing him of everything he had...which he did.
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Postby E Irizarry R&B Singer » September 28th, 2013, 4:14 pm

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zboy1 wrote:A lot more common than you think...there's a social stigma attached to it, so many men will not admit to having done P4P, but if there wasn't so much demand out there, you wouldn't see all these hoes out roaming the streets at night in any town or city, LOL.

And to be honest, as a Libertarian, I think p4p should be made legal...I've been to Amsterdam and Holland, and there--P4P is controlled and regulated, so you don't have as many problems as you do in the States. And besides...if it was made legal in the States, you wouldn't have all these psychotic mass killers out there like George Sodini, Cho Seung Hui or Aaron Alexis going berserk all the time in the news in America. They would too busy banging all the hoes than plotting a mass killing somewhere...


Even my permacel friends with zero social value - some of whom admitted to being kissless virgins - wouldn't admit to using hoes when I broached the subject. I doubt they'd hide it from me. And this is in Canada, where it's legal.

I'm pretty sure Cho did call up a hooker a couple weeks before his shooting spree. But he wanted more than that (i.e. free sex from the sluts at his uni). And Alexis was Schizophrenic.


@Jeremy,

When it comes to Alexis, if you had dug deeper, you would have seen that schizophrenia wouldn't even exist if the man were raised to be pro-p.ussy-getting. You just don't hear about schizophrenia mania outside of the Western world IMHO.
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Postby E Irizarry R&B Singer » September 28th, 2013, 4:23 pm

tre wrote:I have friends that readily admitted that they have used hookers (for BJ only). Being a hooker in many parts of Nevada is legal (not in Las Vegas), but it's regulated. Having sex with a hooker in hooker-legal areas of Nevada is probably safer than banging some drunk slut you met at a club. Having sex with an illegal hooker is where it gets more dangerous. My brothers friend got Syphilis after having sex just one time with one hooker in Las Vegas. He was drunk and his condom could have broke or fell off without him feeling it due to intoxication. A few weeks later, he got the depressing news from his doctor.

I personally wouldn't ever use a hooker as I don't feel that I should have to pay for it. I can get sex without having to pay and I kind of enjoy the challenge (when single). For those that are married and don't want to invest anything into it, that's where hookers are the easiest road I suppose. However, if you catch an STD from an illegal hooker, you will pass it on to your wife....pretty f***ed up situation that I wouldn't want to risk.

I agree with zboy though....it definitely should be legal. It would be safer if it were....just like drugs. I don't know how it works in all other countries, but you have to worry about the pimps in the USA. I worked in a hotel in Las Vegas (when I first moved there) and a pimp beat a guy nearly to death after falling asleep in his hotel room with a hooker in his room. The hooker sent a text message to the pimp and opened the hotel room door for him. The poor guy woke up to a pimp intent on destroying him and robbing him of everything he had...which he did.


Whilst I agree with the majority of your post, I have the sentiment which is that no man should enjoy a Pepsi Challenge (tm). A woman should be fluid, docile, and somewhat-to-very demure in being courted. You're probably accustomed to challenges from Western peon-esque skanks. If you want to acquire such a non-westernized woman, you must adjust your mind to yearn for a woman whom is very feminine and on-point. Courting/dating doesn't have to be a Blair Witch Project (tm).
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Postby tre » September 28th, 2013, 4:58 pm

E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:
tre wrote:I have friends that readily admitted that they have used hookers (for BJ only). Being a hooker in many parts of Nevada is legal (not in Las Vegas), but it's regulated. Having sex with a hooker in hooker-legal areas of Nevada is probably safer than banging some drunk slut you met at a club. Having sex with an illegal hooker is where it gets more dangerous. My brothers friend got Syphilis after having sex just one time with one hooker in Las Vegas. He was drunk and his condom could have broke or fell off without him feeling it due to intoxication. A few weeks later, he got the depressing news from his doctor.

I personally wouldn't ever use a hooker as I don't feel that I should have to pay for it. I can get sex without having to pay and I kind of enjoy the challenge (when single). For those that are married and don't want to invest anything into it, that's where hookers are the easiest road I suppose. However, if you catch an STD from an illegal hooker, you will pass it on to your wife....pretty f***ed up situation that I wouldn't want to risk.

I agree with zboy though....it definitely should be legal. It would be safer if it were....just like drugs. I don't know how it works in all other countries, but you have to worry about the pimps in the USA. I worked in a hotel in Las Vegas (when I first moved there) and a pimp beat a guy nearly to death after falling asleep in his hotel room with a hooker in his room. The hooker sent a text message to the pimp and opened the hotel room door for him. The poor guy woke up to a pimp intent on destroying him and robbing him of everything he had...which he did.


Whilst I agree with the majority of your post, I have the sentiment which is that no man should enjoy a Pepsi Challenge (tm). A woman should be fluid, docile, and somewhat-to-very demure in being courted. You're probably accustomed to challenges from Western peon-esque skanks. If you want to acquire such a non-westernized woman, you must adjust your mind to yearn for a woman whom is very feminine and on-point. Courting/dating doesn't have to be a Blair Witch Project (tm).


I'll admit that my goal back when I was younger and single, was to bang them first and THEN get to know them...lol. I met them all in nightclubs that I worked in or partied in. It broke the ice and made it easier for them to open up in other ways. This was a challenge as I would assume it would be anywhere (non-hooker). All my relationships in Las Vegas (besides the one I'm with now) started with sex on the first meeting. Many lasted over a year. I was never what the girl thought I was on that first night and they were usually pleasantly surprised. However, I've been in a relationship for over 4 years now and priorities change with age (at least for me). If my relationship fails sometime down the road, I'd HAVE to do things differently out of necessity as I am not as young or desirable as I was back then. The ideal woman you describe is what I'd likely be looking for. Hopefully I am never single again (I hate it), but some things are not entirely in ones control...
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Postby S_Parc » September 29th, 2013, 12:34 am

Here's a missing salient point, in the USA, p4p is barred for the middle class. In essence, the so-called middle class is completely shafted.

On the other hand, the Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing, has being going on for ages for the upper classes. When I was a kid, right before the Oil Patch bust, there were plenty of these 'debutante' parties in the Dallas-to-Houston areas for up and coming energy execs, who wanted a plaything on the side. Though I'm not from the region, a lot of stories about 'em were circulated in the northeast, for those in the associated industries. In essence, it was an insiders club.

I guess you'd call it the real-life spin on the "Dallas" TV series but w/o the drama, love triangles, & silly plot twists. Anyways, those days ends in the mid-80s, when the price of the barrel had completely collapsed.

As for today, it's out of the Oil Barons' clubs and onto the internet. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing has gone public ...

http://www.seekingarrangement.com

http://www.sugarsugar.com

http://www.sugarbaby4u.com

Now, if you don't believe that p4p exists for the upper classes then it's obvious that you don't understand the term 'arrangement'.
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Postby djfourmoney » September 29th, 2013, 3:52 am

I remember when a aquance admitted openly in a group setting to using hookers.

He wasn't ashamed and the women in the group had nothing to say. Actually by saying nothing I says it all, they were not interested in having sex with the guy, ever.

So if he visited hookers, at least he was getting laid...

I will admit T was a bit sleazy and he wasn't even 25 yet. He was yet another one of those dudes that chased around 16-17 year olds. There was another guy in town that did that as well.

Funny being a Black man in a 98% White area, I had much chases at p***y wasted than I actually took advantage of.... IE I had no use for P4P and didn't try until I was in Germany and thought, why not?

Went to P4P Oase, P4P Palace and P4P Miami all in Frankfurt; Only a few regular girls in my life have been better looking and that's a very short list. Despite being providers, all these women were DIMES and that's not just my opinion.

So P4P has its value. I also agree legalizing like, all most drugs should be legal would lessen some violent crime, I don't know about the national debt.
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Postby SilverEnergy » October 5th, 2013, 4:03 pm

S_Parc wrote:Here's a missing salient point, in the USA, p4p is barred for the middle class. In essence, the so-called middle class is completely shafted.

On the other hand, the Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing, has being going on for ages for the upper classes. When I was a kid, right before the Oil Patch bust, there were plenty of these 'debutante' parties in the Dallas-to-Houston areas for up and coming energy execs, who wanted a plaything on the side. Though I'm not from the region, a lot of stories about 'em were circulated in the northeast, for those in the associated industries. In essence, it was an insiders club.

I guess you'd call it the real-life spin on the "Dallas" TV series but w/o the drama, love triangles, & silly plot twists. Anyways, those days ends in the mid-80s, when the price of the barrel had completely collapsed.

As for today, it's out of the Oil Barons' clubs and onto the internet. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing has gone public ...

http://www.seekingarrangement.com

http://www.sugarsugar.com

http://www.sugarbaby4u.com

Now, if you don't believe that p4p exists for the upper classes then it's obvious that you don't understand the term 'arrangement'.


Very true.

Rich men and male celebrities have an extensive network of high-end escorts that they sleep with.

These high-end escorts are obviously too expensive for most men though.

They're able to bypass the law in a way the middle and lower class aren't able to do.
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Postby Halwick » October 6th, 2013, 6:59 am

E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
zboy1 wrote:A lot more common than you think...there's a social stigma attached to it, so many men will not admit to having done P4P, but if there wasn't so much demand out there, you wouldn't see all these hoes out roaming the streets at night in any town or city, LOL.

And to be honest, as a Libertarian, I think p4p should be made legal...I've been to Amsterdam and Holland, and there--P4P is controlled and regulated, so you don't have as many problems as you do in the States. And besides...if it was made legal in the States, you wouldn't have all these psychotic mass killers out there like George Sodini, Cho Seung Hui or Aaron Alexis going berserk all the time in the news in America. They would too busy banging all the hoes than plotting a mass killing somewhere...


Even my permacel friends with zero social value - some of whom admitted to being kissless virgins - wouldn't admit to using hoes when I broached the subject. I doubt they'd hide it from me. And this is in Canada, where it's legal.

I'm pretty sure Cho did call up a hooker a couple weeks before his shooting spree. But he wanted more than that (i.e. free sex from the sluts at his uni). And Alexis was Schizophrenic.


@Jeremy,

When it comes to Alexis, if you had dug deeper, you would have seen that schizophrenia wouldn't even exist if the man were raised to be pro-p.ussy-getting. You just don't hear about schizophrenia mania outside of the Western world IMHO.


I agree and think that's very true. I read that the Polynesians, particularly the Marquesians, had a very free and open attitude toward sex and the men and women had multiple partners with very little jealousy among them. Sex was not considered a sinful act, as considered by the Christians, but rather sex was a biological function as normal as eating and breathing and encouraged to be indulged. Nor was sex linked to strictly childbearing purpose only; it could be and was enjoyed for the sake of being enjoyed. Therefore there was no psychological conflict or guilt as experienced in the Western mind. Sexual dysfunctions and psychological disorders was unheard of in the Polynesian culture.
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Postby E Irizarry R&B Singer » October 6th, 2013, 4:01 pm

Halwick wrote:
E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
zboy1 wrote:A lot more common than you think...there's a social stigma attached to it, so many men will not admit to having done P4P, but if there wasn't so much demand out there, you wouldn't see all these hoes out roaming the streets at night in any town or city, LOL.

And to be honest, as a Libertarian, I think p4p should be made legal...I've been to Amsterdam and Holland, and there--P4P is controlled and regulated, so you don't have as many problems as you do in the States. And besides...if it was made legal in the States, you wouldn't have all these psychotic mass killers out there like George Sodini, Cho Seung Hui or Aaron Alexis going berserk all the time in the news in America. They would too busy banging all the hoes than plotting a mass killing somewhere...


Even my permacel friends with zero social value - some of whom admitted to being kissless virgins - wouldn't admit to using hoes when I broached the subject. I doubt they'd hide it from me. And this is in Canada, where it's legal.

I'm pretty sure Cho did call up a hooker a couple weeks before his shooting spree. But he wanted more than that (i.e. free sex from the sluts at his uni). And Alexis was Schizophrenic.


@Jeremy,

When it comes to Alexis, if you had dug deeper, you would have seen that schizophrenia wouldn't even exist if the man were raised to be pro-p.ussy-getting. You just don't hear about schizophrenia mania outside of the Western world IMHO.


I agree and think that's very true. I read that the Polynesians, particularly the Marquesians, had a very free and open attitude toward sex and the men and women had multiple partners with very little jealousy among them. Sex was not considered a sinful act, as considered by the Christians, but rather sex was a biological function as normal as eating and breathing and encouraged to be indulged. Nor was sex linked to strictly childbearing purpose only; it could be and was enjoyed for the sake of being enjoyed. Therefore there was no psychological conflict or guilt as experienced in the Western mind. Sexual dysfunctions and psychological disorders was unheard of in the Polynesian culture.


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