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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:59 pm

S_Parc wrote:Here's a missing salient point, in the USA, p4p is barred for the middle class. In essence, the so-called middle class is completely shafted.

On the other hand, the Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing, has being going on for ages for the upper classes. When I was a kid, right before the Oil Patch bust, there were plenty of these 'debutante' parties in the Dallas-to-Houston areas for up and coming energy execs, who wanted a plaything on the side. Though I'm not from the region, a lot of stories about 'em were circulated in the northeast, for those in the associated industries. In essence, it was an insiders club.

I guess you'd call it the real-life spin on the "Dallas" TV series but w/o the drama, love triangles, & silly plot twists. Anyways, those days ends in the mid-80s, when the price of the barrel had completely collapsed.

As for today, it's out of the Oil Barons' clubs and onto the internet. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing has gone public ...

http://www.seekingarrangement.com

http://www.sugarsugar.com

http://www.sugarbaby4u.com

Now, if you don't believe that p4p exists for the upper classes then it's obvious that you don't understand the term 'arrangement'.


I met a young 20 year old woman last week who told me about her 2 friends who were sugerbabies and using the websites posted above. She said that the sugardaddies gave the girls something like 2 grand to go shopping in the mall and so the girls bought Louis Vuitton hangbags and other expensive items. The girl said the 2 girls also had boyfriends and that they didn't know about it.
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Postby E Irizarry R&B Singer » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:49 pm

NorthAmericanguy wrote:
S_Parc wrote:Here's a missing salient point, in the USA, p4p is barred for the middle class. In essence, the so-called middle class is completely shafted.

On the other hand, the Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing, has being going on for ages for the upper classes. When I was a kid, right before the Oil Patch bust, there were plenty of these 'debutante' parties in the Dallas-to-Houston areas for up and coming energy execs, who wanted a plaything on the side. Though I'm not from the region, a lot of stories about 'em were circulated in the northeast, for those in the associated industries. In essence, it was an insiders club.

I guess you'd call it the real-life spin on the "Dallas" TV series but w/o the drama, love triangles, & silly plot twists. Anyways, those days ends in the mid-80s, when the price of the barrel had completely collapsed.

As for today, it's out of the Oil Barons' clubs and onto the internet. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing has gone public ...

http://www.seekingarrangement.com

http://www.sugarsugar.com

http://www.sugarbaby4u.com

Now, if you don't believe that p4p exists for the upper classes then it's obvious that you don't understand the term 'arrangement'.


I met a young 20 year old woman last week who told me about her 2 friends who were sugerbabies and using the websites posted above. She said that the sugardaddies gave the girls something like 2 grand to go shopping in the mall and so the girls bought Louis Vuitton hangbags and other expensive items. The girl said the 2 girls also had boyfriends and that they didn't know about it.


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Arrangements... not P4P

Postby Jester » Mon May 12, 2014 5:40 pm

S_Parc wrote:Here's a missing salient point, in the USA, p4p is barred for the middle class. In essence, the so-called middle class is completely shafted.

On the other hand, the Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing, has being going on for ages for the upper classes. When I was a kid, right before the Oil Patch bust, there were plenty of these 'debutante' parties in the Dallas-to-Houston areas for up and coming energy execs, who wanted a plaything on the side. Though I'm not from the region, a lot of stories about 'em were circulated in the northeast, for those in the associated industries. In essence, it was an insiders club.

I guess you'd call it the real-life spin on the "Dallas" TV series but w/o the drama, love triangles, & silly plot twists. Anyways, those days ends in the mid-80s, when the price of the barrel had completely collapsed.

As for today, it's out of the Oil Barons' clubs and onto the internet. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing has gone public ...

http://www.seekingarrangement.com

http://www.sugarsugar.com

http://www.sugarbaby4u.com

Now, if you don't believe that p4p exists for the upper classes then it's obvious that you don't understand the term 'arrangement'.



The funny thing about this question is that a large number of people, both in traditioal and modern societies, will feel inclined to answer with yes. Later in this article, I will examine why this is the case.

But first, let me declare that in principle, there is nothing wrong with such arrangemets. If anything, they are honest.

Anyway, when young women in most countries of the world enter sexual relationships, they do so not solely for emotional benefits, but also with expectations of material benefits. Ideally, from the perspective of the young woman (and her family), the material benefits are provided lifelong, and are guaranteed by a legal system (as in a formal marriage).

Arrangements for sexual relationships that come with economic benefits, even though they may sound unromantic, are, of course, not preemptive of love.

As so often with human behavior, arrangements for sexual relationships that come with economic benefits are less an issue of moral or immoral behavior, but one of good or bad style.

I am not if favor of prostitution. I myself have tried sex with a prostitute only once. From the onset, I have found it to be emotionally and sexually totally unrewarding. Here I was together with a woman who enticed me to have sex 15 minutes earlier in exchange for 50 dollars, and now I was supposed to have an erection, to use a condom, and then have an ejaculation within a few minutes. But I felt more inclined.as to laugh, rather than to make love.

The situation was totally unarousing. And I felt that indeed, it was in very bad style.

But how about this construed example: I know a student in a country in which women normally remain virgins rather long, often until they finish their university courses. I find her attractive and charming, and decide to mention my idea of a love relationship.

The young woman tells me that she does not intend to marry a foreigner.

I reply that this is fine with me; we do not have to get married, but I would like her to be my girlfriend.

I also say that if she were to become my girlfriend, I would support her financially during her studies.

She replies that she cannot agree to this, because of her intention to get married as a virgin.

No problem, I answer. We do not have to have penetrative sex. I can enjoy a sexual relationship without penetration. I assure her that she will remain a virgin.

It's the arranged start of a love relationship, in which material benefits play a role.

Now, let me examine the moral implications. I know exactly who will consider this relationship immoral, and who will not. (We will see that the judgment on the morality issue matches precisely the respective person's sexual interests.)

The man who will later be the woman's husband would, if ever he were to know, find our premarital love affair totally immoral. (Of course, he is against it. He feels "overcharged" because he has to enter a formal marriage for sexual access, while I only have to finance her studies.)

Other men who also find the young woman attractive and would like a love relationship with her, would also denounce her behavior as immoral. (If they were to have the means, they would, of course, like nothing better than to take my place. As they don't have the means, they are against arrangements they themselves can't afford.)

Some of her female friends will defend her decision. They are those who would consider such an arrangement for themselves.

But the less attractive of her friends would likely critisize her attitude as immoral. This is because they feel that such an opportunity will not come accross their path.

Like always with moral issues, people's opinions just are an ideological superstructure disguising their naked interests.

Last question: is the behavior of my hypothetical girlfriend 'prostitution'?

Of course, it is not. Prostitution involves the exchange of sexual gratifications against financial remuneration on a highly promiscuous basis (typically several customers a night) and in an indiscriminate manner (anybody qualifies, as long as he pays the requested price, and is willing to wear a condom).

My hypothetical girlfriend is not promiscuous. In fact, I am her first lover. She also does not grant sexual favors indiscriminately. In fact, she is attracted to me intellectually, and because I am an honest not a hypocritical man. And I am rightfully proud that she agreed to this arrangement with me, and not with somebody else.



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Postby johny_quest » Tue May 13, 2014 7:35 am

zboy1 wrote:A lot more common than you think...there's a social stigma attached to it, so many men will not admit to having done P4P, but if there wasn't so much demand out there, you wouldn't see all these hoes out roaming the streets at night in any town or city, LOL.

And to be honest, as a Libertarian, I think p4p should be made legal...I've been to Amsterdam and Holland, and there--P4P is controlled and regulated, so you don't have as many problems as you do in the States. And besides...if it was made legal in the States, you wouldn't have all these psychotic mass killers out there like George Sodini, Cho Seung Hui or Aaron Alexis going berserk all the time in the news in America. They would too busy banging all the hoes than plotting a mass killing somewhere...


The serial killer phenomenon in the United States is due in part to the genital cutting culture, where male infants are traumatized in their first moments of life by being immobilized in a circumstraint, wide awake and without anesthetic while their genitals are attacked with a scalpel for 10-20 minutes. Most babies actually go into neurogenic shock (coma) due to sudden massive pain (parents are told that their baby slept through the procedure - LOL). Circumcision trauma in infants has been proven to permanently alter the structure and function of the brain. There's a lot of literature about this on the web. Of course, this information is not common knowledge because it's suppressed by the medical authorities in the interests of profit. Genital cutting is big business in the US.
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