That would be the best thing to do.marklambo wrote:Why do you assume that I think she'll "never" give you her number? I never said that at all. Getting a number doesn't mean anything either and we all know that.Winston wrote:But why do you believe that if she doesn't give me her number now, that she never will? Why do women always have to make decisions on the spot? Why is it now or never?marklambo wrote:She gave you the Facebook because she probably felt you weren't much of a threat and felt comfortable on a friendship level. But even with a Facebook page, it really doesn't mean anything. Strippers are professionals in what they do and making guys feel good is what they do best. How long has she been stripping? If she's a bit new, which I'm assuming she is because you said she's 19, she will definitely have a different vibe compared to the veterans. New strippers tend to "appear" better in character than the ones who were stripping for a long time. Give it time, she will become just like the rest, they all do. Vibes can easily be faked. You must remember that a stripper's job is to fake everything to the client. Some of these girls also look for a free meal ticket out the scene. These girls will find a sucker to leech off of. While she's leeching off the guy, she's banging some other dude on the side. This happens all the time.Winston wrote:Yeah but Mark, she would not give me her FB account the first night we met. So it was a step up. Maybe she has bad experience giving out her number before? What about all the other signs I wrote about the first night? Did you read them? What do you suggest? Why is she different than the other strippers? Why would she talk to me for 4 hours if she didn't like me? Why would I get good vibes from her? Vibes aren't something a girl can fake or BS. They are different from words.
I personally know strippers who have had multiple guys propose to them, bring them gifts to the club, offer them expensive jewelry, pay their rent, bills, cars, vacations, etc. All types of stupid shit. If a stripper can create such a "vibe" to make men do those things, there's no question in what else they can do to manipulate men and their emotions. You need to think logically when it comes to strippers. It's a whole different ball game when you're dealing with them. I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just saying that I don't believe her.
As for her spending 4 hours with you, it means there was probably no money to be made with the current clientele in the club that day/night and she felt comfortable with your companionship as a friend/nice guy. Was this during a busy weekend or a slow weekday? If it was a busy weekend, it's highly doubtful she would spend that much time with anyone. She's there to make money, they all are.
If you're falling for her with emotions, you are making a huge mistake. Think with your head, not with your heart. The last thing you want is to be burned by a stripper.
Yes she's new and only been there for 2 months. She doesn't even have tattoos, so she's clean in that way.
She told me that hustling people is not in her nature. She simply doesn't like to be pushy. She has too much empathy to treat people like that. I think I believe her when she said that. She may be a great looking dancer, but it's just not in her personality to hustle. There is a genuineness in her that I don't see in other strippers. So it's not just that she's new.
I don't agree with you and AiB that vibes can be faked. If you think that, then you don't understand what vibes are and you don't have a good sense of intuition.
When I was at the Vegas strip club with Steve R, lots of girls tried to sweet talk me and tried to "fake vibes" of niceness. But I could see through it all. They were fake and going through the motions like a routine. So no, they did NOT successfully fake any vibes. They were acting and it was obvious.
I do not confuse fake sweet talk from typical strippers for genuine vibes. No way. Maybe you do. But not me. Understand?
This girl was NOT like that at all though. She did not try to fake anything or BS or manipulate anything. She was NOT the typical stripper. I told you.
There was a genuineness about our conversation that was far more natural than the others. I see in her eyes that she's different and more soulful.
If you came and met her and talked to her, you'd see what I mean.
Why do you guys all judge her negatively just because she's a stripper? Yes she talked to me for 4 hours on a slow weekday. But either way, she was definitely more comfortable with me than with other guys.
Even if she's not attracted to me, I'm pretty sure that she enjoys talking to me and finds me interesting and refreshing. At least I don't act f***ed up and degenerate like man guys do.
You gotta remember that I am not like other guys at all and don't have the same vibe that other guys do. Some girls will find that refreshing.
You can ask Steve Neese and another poster here named Lawrence (who doesn't post anymore). They've both seen me sweet talk with girls and have said that I have a way of connecting with girls that they can't, and that most other guys can't. So you gotta take that into account too.
Plus you gotta remember that Carson City is a small town, way different from Vegas. The people in Carson are way more relaxed, warm and friendly. They smile at strangers more, and do not rudely honk at other cars on the street like drivers do in Vegas. Small town people are friendlier in general than city people, especially a city like Vegas where hustlers and bad low quality people are the norm. So that may be another reason why this girl is nicer than others. You gotta consider that too.
Btw, if a stripper won't meet a guy outside of her work, then how can she leech off him or get him to pay her bills? No guy is going to show up at her work and hand her wads of cash as a gift.
What exactly makes a girl decide to become a stripper or turn into one anyway?
You say that I don't know what vibes and intuition are and that is far from the truth. I don't think it is fair for you to try to judge me this way just because I'm trying to help steer you in the right direction. I have way more experience than you when it comes to communicating with strippers. You think that you're the only guy that met a stripper new to the business that appears genuine? Every stripper that comes from a different town or new to the business ALWAYS has a different vibe than from the other girls. But what you fail to understand is that they will not always stay this way. The longer they stay in the business, the more they become like the rest. Unless you plan on being her savior and getting her out the business, giving her a home, money, etc, she's going to become like the rest. It's not any different than bringing a great foreign girl to the US. Most likely in time she'll become like the rest.
I never said that a stripper won't meet a guy outside of work to leech off him. Strippers that leech off men do on occasion meet the guys outside of work but not all are f***ing. They may go out to meet for lunch, dinner, etc. And believe it or not, guys DO come to clubs to hand over tons of cash and gifts to the girls. Don't take it the wrong way but you are kind of new to the Vegas scene here to know a lot of the details that goes on. You are taking everything we are all saying here as negative when in fact some of us are actually trying to help steer you in the right direction to not get burned, either emotionally or financially.
Of course not all strippers are bad. They are of course humans with emotions like everyone else but they are a different breed of women. I can guarantee you that this girl has at least some type of situation/drama in her life for her to choose stripping as a profession. You may not see it now but if you get to the point of knowing her more on a personal level, you will see it, trust me on that. You are being blinded by her vibes and looks which can be natural for a man to fall for but you need to just be aware.
You say she's not a hustler but yet she chose a job that IS hustling. That right there contradicts everything. A girl becomes a stripper to simply make money, a lot of money as possible. They may have kids to feed, want to make more money for a better life, drug habits, etc They all have their reasons but whether you like it or not, she's a hustler. It's like meeting a drug dealer that says he's different from everyone else....he doesn't hustle or like to hustle. He's a drug dealer, he IS a hustler. A stripper IS a hustler. She may not be as "aggressive" as the other girls but she still is a hustler. There's no other explanation, whether you like to believe it or not.
On rare situations you will meet a girl who is stripping to make as much money so she can set herself up for a better life, pay for her school etc. I have a friend I've known for years that recently quit stripping. She did it to pay her way to school. She finished school and now working a normal job. She is a sweetheart with a great "vibe" and is really a nice person. She always had that great vibe even when she was working, but that never changed the fact that she's a hustler. She hustled her way to pay for her school.
The fact that you are not like other guys is clearly visible to her. She looks at you as a nice guy which is why she was comfortable talking to you but you need to realize that this does not mean she may want a relationship. She would probably like to keep you around as someone who is a good friend to her. The problem in these situations is that the guy will always be on standby and willing to help and do anything for the girl without getting anything out of it. What I'm saying is be smart and don't get yourself caught up in the mangina territory.
But like I said before. No matter how you look at it, whether it be good vibes or not...she is still an AW and that doesn't change.
In my opinion, you are getting way overly sensitive and too defensive about this issue. If you want me to meet her, I will meet her and I'll be able to tell you right away if she's for real or not.
You both live in Las Vegas, right?
That stripper is trying to run game on Winston and she's being successful at it lol
These strippers are professional hustlers, they know how the game works.
