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Manosphere Myths: The p***y Paradise

Postby theprimebait » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:28 am

The manosphere is obsessed with many things, most of them entirely imaginary. One of the strongest collective delusions in that corner of the Internet is the belief that right where you live, the women suck, but that somewhere else they literally throw themselves at you just because you happen to have a pulse. It's the myth of the p***y paradise, namely that in some other place the women will literally throw themselves at any (foreign) man.

Roosh V himself is a prime example. I don't want to bash the poor guy this time, but instead talk about the people on his forum. They think that it's only the fault of the women in their area if they get rejected over and over. This must be the case because their idol Roosh V himself says that the women in [insert random country] suck. Salvation is to be found elsewhere, so Roosh travels all over the world, and doesn't really get anywhere with girls, and his forum members aspire to be like him. They don't get laid at home either but believe that in some faraway land things will be much different.


On Roosh's forum you'll find thread after thread after thread were those guys are wondering where in the world the women are beautiful and willing, and which country they should take a vacation in. At the moment, though, they are panicking because the EU plans to crack down on sex tourism.

Let's just be blunt and say it like it is: yes, in some unfortunate circumstances your environment can severely hinder your chances with women, simply because there aren't enough around. Just look at demographics. For instance, in the US there is a surplus of women on the East Coast, while there is an enormous surplus of men on the West Coast. You may have seen this map from National Geographic before:


Image

I hear relatively frequently from guys in the Bay Area who complain about a dearth of women. Given the demographics, especially if you working in the technology sector, this is not an illusion. It simply boils down to a trade-off. Yes, career prospects may be better in a technology hub, but you may also limit your life in other areas. Presumably, you wouldn't want to spent your entire life working on an oil rig either. The money is good, though, so I can understand the motivation.

However, in most places there are enough single men and single women out there, and meeting someone new shouldn't be a challenge. Of course, it's necessary to take a realistic look at yourself, and that's the kind of advice many women should take to heart as well. If you don't get anywhere with women in your city, it's most likely not the fault of the women. With the exception of sex tourism hotspots, it won't get easier abroad. This is especially true if you think you can spend a week in, say, Norway or Denmark, and find your future bride there.

Sex tourism is based on economic inequality. There is a good reason why there are Russian mail-order brides, but not Swedish or Norwegian ones. The latter countries are highly developed, and you as a foreigner will most likely have a lower economic status. Please don't cite skewed GDP per capita figures now. Those figures are high for the US as well, but the average American is much worse off than the average Dane or Swede. So, simply being from the US won't quite cut it there.

Sure, you can look "exotic" abroad, which is a benefit of some races, but not all. In general, though, you will do as well or badly abroad than you'll do at home. As a sex tourist or a regular tourist in a sex tourism hotspot, though, people will only view you as a walking wallet --- if stories from people living in Thailand are to be believed. If getting laid in a third-world country is your goal, dear manosphere members, then please don't kid yourself that the women are easier or whatnot. You're simply paying for a service. In countries of a comparable standard of living, you will probably do worse because a local girl doesn't have much to gain by picking a random foreigner over a local guy. Inter-racial and inter-cultural marriages are still an exception, so please discount any anecdotal evidence. Lastly, in countries in which the standard of living is higher than in your home countries, you will fight a severe uphill battle. Ask Roosh how well he has done in Denmark and Sweden, for instance.

So, where is the p***y paradise, then? Well, if you discount sex tourism, then there is none, but if you are a (potential) sex tourist, then you're simply buying the women, which you could do basically anywhere else as well. Even right where you live.

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.nl/2013/03/ ... adise.html
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Postby TopSpruce » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:35 am

Well, no shit.

Thats why looking at GDP/capita is essential before planning a trip.

The combination of economic power and exoticness results in success.

If women didn't care about money, prestige, and social status they would date homeless beach bums or give equal preference too poorly paid/low status professions as they do to lawyers/doctors/and executives....
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Re: Manosphere Myths: The p***y Paradise

Postby Rock » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:13 am

theprimebait wrote:The manosphere is obsessed with many things, most of them entirely imaginary. One of the strongest collective delusions in that corner of the Internet is the belief that right where you live, the women suck, but that somewhere else they literally throw themselves at you just because you happen to have a pulse. It's the myth of the p***y paradise, namely that in some other place the women will literally throw themselves at any (foreign) man.

Roosh V himself is a prime example. I don't want to bash the poor guy this time, but instead talk about the people on his forum. They think that it's only the fault of the women in their area if they get rejected over and over. This must be the case because their idol Roosh V himself says that the women in [insert random country] suck. Salvation is to be found elsewhere, so Roosh travels all over the world, and doesn't really get anywhere with girls, and his forum members aspire to be like him. They don't get laid at home either but believe that in some faraway land things will be much different.


On Roosh's forum you'll find thread after thread after thread were those guys are wondering where in the world the women are beautiful and willing, and which country they should take a vacation in. At the moment, though, they are panicking because the EU plans to crack down on sex tourism.

Let's just be blunt and say it like it is: yes, in some unfortunate circumstances your environment can severely hinder your chances with women, simply because there aren't enough around. Just look at demographics. For instance, in the US there is a surplus of women on the East Coast, while there is an enormous surplus of men on the West Coast. You may have seen this map from National Geographic before:


Image

I hear relatively frequently from guys in the Bay Area who complain about a dearth of women. Given the demographics, especially if you working in the technology sector, this is not an illusion. It simply boils down to a trade-off. Yes, career prospects may be better in a technology hub, but you may also limit your life in other areas. Presumably, you wouldn't want to spent your entire life working on an oil rig either. The money is good, though, so I can understand the motivation.

However, in most places there are enough single men and single women out there, and meeting someone new shouldn't be a challenge. Of course, it's necessary to take a realistic look at yourself, and that's the kind of advice many women should take to heart as well. If you don't get anywhere with women in your city, it's most likely not the fault of the women. With the exception of sex tourism hotspots, it won't get easier abroad. This is especially true if you think you can spend a week in, say, Norway or Denmark, and find your future bride there.

Sex tourism is based on economic inequality. There is a good reason why there are Russian mail-order brides, but not Swedish or Norwegian ones. The latter countries are highly developed, and you as a foreigner will most likely have a lower economic status. Please don't cite skewed GDP per capita figures now. Those figures are high for the US as well, but the average American is much worse off than the average Dane or Swede. So, simply being from the US won't quite cut it there.

Sure, you can look "exotic" abroad, which is a benefit of some races, but not all. In general, though, you will do as well or badly abroad than you'll do at home. As a sex tourist or a regular tourist in a sex tourism hotspot, though, people will only view you as a walking wallet --- if stories from people living in Thailand are to be believed. If getting laid in a third-world country is your goal, dear manosphere members, then please don't kid yourself that the women are easier or whatnot. You're simply paying for a service. In countries of a comparable standard of living, you will probably do worse because a local girl doesn't have much to gain by picking a random foreigner over a local guy. Inter-racial and inter-cultural marriages are still an exception, so please discount any anecdotal evidence. Lastly, in countries in which the standard of living is higher than in your home countries, you will fight a severe uphill battle. Ask Roosh how well he has done in Denmark and Sweden, for instance.

So, where is the p***y paradise, then? Well, if you discount sex tourism, then there is none, but if you are a (potential) sex tourist, then you're simply buying the women, which you could do basically anywhere else as well. Even right where you live.

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.nl/2013/03/ ... adise.html


Your view seems to me quite negative and anti-HA as far as prospects with women go. I don't think it's that cut-and-dried, not by a long shot.

As far as dating the most attractive women possible for yourself, handicaps and margins matter. That's where your focus should be.

Important questions to answer

1. Which types of women do you find most attractive and which areas of the world can you find such women?

2. Which areas do you have the maximum relative advantage considering your ethnicity, particular look, height and build, etc.?

3. Based on 1 and/or 2 above, which of the promising areas could you live - acceptable visa regs, climate, job prospects, cost of living, etc.

I will give you some real life examples of guys I know of who have gone abroad and exploited dating handicaps to their advantage.

- Indian American from west coast USA, decent looking, well dressed, late 20s, in debt with student loan, average job, gets virtually no dates except the very occasional late 40s/early 50s cougar. Goes to Scandinavia for several months, gets dates and intimacy with over 5 young women who rate 6-9 on his personal scale. Did these girls go with him for his wallet or perhaps because he was exotic and different to them whereas back home, he's about as ordinary and average as they come?

- Regular white guy from States, gets virtually nothing in HS/college, visits areas like Brazil and NE Asia for extended periods, has the time of his life, dates and mates with many young local females who mostly rate 5-8 for him. Again, is economics the primary factor here, not likely.

- Short but attractive Jewish white guy form Manhattan, mid 30s, not much of a career but somewhat moneyed family. Get's passed over again and again in NYC for being too short. Goes to NE Asia for over a year and dates plus gets intimate with at least 4 very attractive young women. Then meets a hot and very young German woman from Berlin, corresponds with her online and eventually moves to Germany to live with her.

theprimebait, you are right in that there is probably no paradise where women just throw themselves at you. But HA is about new chances for guys who put in all the time and effort to get the best possible relative to what they desire. And generally, I think it works a lot better for those hoping to find a quality LT relationship or even extended shorter term gf than those who just wanna date and be serial playboys. USA is littered with attractive guys who can't get squat cus of the way feminism has developed and spread. The bad news is that the poison has spread and is being spread throughout many areas of the world, so dating arbitrage opportunities and potential handicaps are being reduced in many parts of the world. But there are still many good pockets and opportunities.

BTW, I'm curious as to where you've traveled and tested the waters so far yourself. How much time have you spent in those countries. Would like to know which areas of the world have given you such a jaded view or is your info. coming primarily from Roosh and other online sources?
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Postby Rock » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:19 am

TopSpruce wrote:Well, no shit.

Thats why looking at GDP/capita is essential before planning a trip.

The combination of economic power and exoticness results in success.

If women didn't care about money, prestige, and social status they would date homeless beach bums or give equal preference too poorly paid/low status professions as they do to lawyers/doctors/and executives....


U r definitely better off with girls who don't focus or care much about money as long as you are in 'reasonable shape'. Can you afford to take her out on fun dates - regular restaurants, movies, maybe a club once in awhile, sight seeing, chilling with friends, etc? If you can only do such things on a Dutch treat basis or need her to pay for the dates, then you will be hindered with many if not most girls.

Economic power and exoticness can be powerful in attracting women in certain areas and achieving a good handicap. And the girl does not have to directly benefit from either. You can get away with budget dates and not helping her in any way other than paying for basic dates.
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Postby TopSpruce » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:00 am

Yeah, I would say social status is much more important than pure spending power.
Its not about actually buying a lot of stuff, but being able to do so would give you a deserved confidence.
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Re: Manosphere Myths: The p***y Paradise

Postby Maverick » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:22 am

theprimebait wrote:The manosphere is obsessed with many things, most of them entirely imaginary. One of the strongest collective delusions in that corner of the Internet is the belief that right where you live, the women suck, but that somewhere else they literally throw themselves at you just because you happen to have a pulse. It's the myth of the p***y paradise, namely that in some other place the women will literally throw themselves at any (foreign) man.

Roosh V himself is a prime example. I don't want to bash the poor guy this time, but instead talk about the people on his forum. They think that it's only the fault of the women in their area if they get rejected over and over. This must be the case because their idol Roosh V himself says that the women in [insert random country] suck. Salvation is to be found elsewhere, so Roosh travels all over the world, and doesn't really get anywhere with girls, and his forum members aspire to be like him. They don't get laid at home either but believe that in some faraway land things will be much different.


On Roosh's forum you'll find thread after thread after thread were those guys are wondering where in the world the women are beautiful and willing, and which country they should take a vacation in. At the moment, though, they are panicking because the EU plans to crack down on sex tourism.

Let's just be blunt and say it like it is: yes, in some unfortunate circumstances your environment can severely hinder your chances with women, simply because there aren't enough around. Just look at demographics. For instance, in the US there is a surplus of women on the East Coast, while there is an enormous surplus of men on the West Coast. You may have seen this map from National Geographic before:


Image

I hear relatively frequently from guys in the Bay Area who complain about a dearth of women. Given the demographics, especially if you working in the technology sector, this is not an illusion. It simply boils down to a trade-off. Yes, career prospects may be better in a technology hub, but you may also limit your life in other areas. Presumably, you wouldn't want to spent your entire life working on an oil rig either. The money is good, though, so I can understand the motivation.

However, in most places there are enough single men and single women out there, and meeting someone new shouldn't be a challenge. Of course, it's necessary to take a realistic look at yourself, and that's the kind of advice many women should take to heart as well. If you don't get anywhere with women in your city, it's most likely not the fault of the women. With the exception of sex tourism hotspots, it won't get easier abroad. This is especially true if you think you can spend a week in, say, Norway or Denmark, and find your future bride there.

Sex tourism is based on economic inequality. There is a good reason why there are Russian mail-order brides, but not Swedish or Norwegian ones. The latter countries are highly developed, and you as a foreigner will most likely have a lower economic status. Please don't cite skewed GDP per capita figures now. Those figures are high for the US as well, but the average American is much worse off than the average Dane or Swede. So, simply being from the US won't quite cut it there.

Sure, you can look "exotic" abroad, which is a benefit of some races, but not all. In general, though, you will do as well or badly abroad than you'll do at home. As a sex tourist or a regular tourist in a sex tourism hotspot, though, people will only view you as a walking wallet --- if stories from people living in Thailand are to be believed. If getting laid in a third-world country is your goal, dear manosphere members, then please don't kid yourself that the women are easier or whatnot. You're simply paying for a service. In countries of a comparable standard of living, you will probably do worse because a local girl doesn't have much to gain by picking a random foreigner over a local guy. Inter-racial and inter-cultural marriages are still an exception, so please discount any anecdotal evidence. Lastly, in countries in which the standard of living is higher than in your home countries, you will fight a severe uphill battle. Ask Roosh how well he has done in Denmark and Sweden, for instance.

So, where is the p***y paradise, then? Well, if you discount sex tourism, then there is none, but if you are a (potential) sex tourist, then you're simply buying the women, which you could do basically anywhere else as well. Even right where you live.

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.nl/2013/03/ ... adise.html


Not to be a d*ck, but dude aren't you like 20? Have you ever actually traveled to these places?

Also, I actually met Aaron Sleazy in person when he used to do his bootcamps in London. He's a piece of sh*t. I'm sure he hasn't traveled all that much. Also, he uses disdain of the PUA community.....to sell his own PUA products. Just to give it some perspective.
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Re: Manosphere Myths: The p***y Paradise

Postby Rayn » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:31 am

Maverick wrote:
theprimebait wrote:The manosphere is obsessed with many things, most of them entirely imaginary. One of the strongest collective delusions in that corner of the Internet is the belief that right where you live, the women suck, but that somewhere else they literally throw themselves at you just because you happen to have a pulse. It's the myth of the p***y paradise, namely that in some other place the women will literally throw themselves at any (foreign) man.

Roosh V himself is a prime example. I don't want to bash the poor guy this time, but instead talk about the people on his forum. They think that it's only the fault of the women in their area if they get rejected over and over. This must be the case because their idol Roosh V himself says that the women in [insert random country] suck. Salvation is to be found elsewhere, so Roosh travels all over the world, and doesn't really get anywhere with girls, and his forum members aspire to be like him. They don't get laid at home either but believe that in some faraway land things will be much different.


On Roosh's forum you'll find thread after thread after thread were those guys are wondering where in the world the women are beautiful and willing, and which country they should take a vacation in. At the moment, though, they are panicking because the EU plans to crack down on sex tourism.

Let's just be blunt and say it like it is: yes, in some unfortunate circumstances your environment can severely hinder your chances with women, simply because there aren't enough around. Just look at demographics. For instance, in the US there is a surplus of women on the East Coast, while there is an enormous surplus of men on the West Coast. You may have seen this map from National Geographic before:


Image

I hear relatively frequently from guys in the Bay Area who complain about a dearth of women. Given the demographics, especially if you working in the technology sector, this is not an illusion. It simply boils down to a trade-off. Yes, career prospects may be better in a technology hub, but you may also limit your life in other areas. Presumably, you wouldn't want to spent your entire life working on an oil rig either. The money is good, though, so I can understand the motivation.

However, in most places there are enough single men and single women out there, and meeting someone new shouldn't be a challenge. Of course, it's necessary to take a realistic look at yourself, and that's the kind of advice many women should take to heart as well. If you don't get anywhere with women in your city, it's most likely not the fault of the women. With the exception of sex tourism hotspots, it won't get easier abroad. This is especially true if you think you can spend a week in, say, Norway or Denmark, and find your future bride there.

Sex tourism is based on economic inequality. There is a good reason why there are Russian mail-order brides, but not Swedish or Norwegian ones. The latter countries are highly developed, and you as a foreigner will most likely have a lower economic status. Please don't cite skewed GDP per capita figures now. Those figures are high for the US as well, but the average American is much worse off than the average Dane or Swede. So, simply being from the US won't quite cut it there.

Sure, you can look "exotic" abroad, which is a benefit of some races, but not all. In general, though, you will do as well or badly abroad than you'll do at home. As a sex tourist or a regular tourist in a sex tourism hotspot, though, people will only view you as a walking wallet --- if stories from people living in Thailand are to be believed. If getting laid in a third-world country is your goal, dear manosphere members, then please don't kid yourself that the women are easier or whatnot. You're simply paying for a service. In countries of a comparable standard of living, you will probably do worse because a local girl doesn't have much to gain by picking a random foreigner over a local guy. Inter-racial and inter-cultural marriages are still an exception, so please discount any anecdotal evidence. Lastly, in countries in which the standard of living is higher than in your home countries, you will fight a severe uphill battle. Ask Roosh how well he has done in Denmark and Sweden, for instance.

So, where is the p***y paradise, then? Well, if you discount sex tourism, then there is none, but if you are a (potential) sex tourist, then you're simply buying the women, which you could do basically anywhere else as well. Even right where you live.

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.nl/2013/03/ ... adise.html


Not to be a d*ck, but dude aren't you like 20? Have you ever actually traveled to these places?

Also, I actually met Aaron Sleazy in person when he used to do his bootcamps in London. He's a piece of sh*t. I'm sure he hasn't traveled all that much. Also, he uses disdain of the PUA community.....to sell his own PUA products. Just to give it some perspective.


Yeah, he's an anti-Guru Guru. He reminds me of those so-called genuine Internet marketers who bash gurus for their bullshit ebooks and then goes to market his own ebooks in the end.

His advice is sound though, that it pays off more in improving your looks and status rather than memorizing stupid routines when it comes to attracting girls.
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Re: Manosphere Myths: The p***y Paradise

Postby Maverick » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:36 am

Rayn wrote:
Maverick wrote:
theprimebait wrote:The manosphere is obsessed with many things, most of them entirely imaginary. One of the strongest collective delusions in that corner of the Internet is the belief that right where you live, the women suck, but that somewhere else they literally throw themselves at you just because you happen to have a pulse. It's the myth of the p***y paradise, namely that in some other place the women will literally throw themselves at any (foreign) man.

Roosh V himself is a prime example. I don't want to bash the poor guy this time, but instead talk about the people on his forum. They think that it's only the fault of the women in their area if they get rejected over and over. This must be the case because their idol Roosh V himself says that the women in [insert random country] suck. Salvation is to be found elsewhere, so Roosh travels all over the world, and doesn't really get anywhere with girls, and his forum members aspire to be like him. They don't get laid at home either but believe that in some faraway land things will be much different.


On Roosh's forum you'll find thread after thread after thread were those guys are wondering where in the world the women are beautiful and willing, and which country they should take a vacation in. At the moment, though, they are panicking because the EU plans to crack down on sex tourism.

Let's just be blunt and say it like it is: yes, in some unfortunate circumstances your environment can severely hinder your chances with women, simply because there aren't enough around. Just look at demographics. For instance, in the US there is a surplus of women on the East Coast, while there is an enormous surplus of men on the West Coast. You may have seen this map from National Geographic before:


Image

I hear relatively frequently from guys in the Bay Area who complain about a dearth of women. Given the demographics, especially if you working in the technology sector, this is not an illusion. It simply boils down to a trade-off. Yes, career prospects may be better in a technology hub, but you may also limit your life in other areas. Presumably, you wouldn't want to spent your entire life working on an oil rig either. The money is good, though, so I can understand the motivation.

However, in most places there are enough single men and single women out there, and meeting someone new shouldn't be a challenge. Of course, it's necessary to take a realistic look at yourself, and that's the kind of advice many women should take to heart as well. If you don't get anywhere with women in your city, it's most likely not the fault of the women. With the exception of sex tourism hotspots, it won't get easier abroad. This is especially true if you think you can spend a week in, say, Norway or Denmark, and find your future bride there.

Sex tourism is based on economic inequality. There is a good reason why there are Russian mail-order brides, but not Swedish or Norwegian ones. The latter countries are highly developed, and you as a foreigner will most likely have a lower economic status. Please don't cite skewed GDP per capita figures now. Those figures are high for the US as well, but the average American is much worse off than the average Dane or Swede. So, simply being from the US won't quite cut it there.

Sure, you can look "exotic" abroad, which is a benefit of some races, but not all. In general, though, you will do as well or badly abroad than you'll do at home. As a sex tourist or a regular tourist in a sex tourism hotspot, though, people will only view you as a walking wallet --- if stories from people living in Thailand are to be believed. If getting laid in a third-world country is your goal, dear manosphere members, then please don't kid yourself that the women are easier or whatnot. You're simply paying for a service. In countries of a comparable standard of living, you will probably do worse because a local girl doesn't have much to gain by picking a random foreigner over a local guy. Inter-racial and inter-cultural marriages are still an exception, so please discount any anecdotal evidence. Lastly, in countries in which the standard of living is higher than in your home countries, you will fight a severe uphill battle. Ask Roosh how well he has done in Denmark and Sweden, for instance.

So, where is the p***y paradise, then? Well, if you discount sex tourism, then there is none, but if you are a (potential) sex tourist, then you're simply buying the women, which you could do basically anywhere else as well. Even right where you live.

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.nl/2013/03/ ... adise.html


Not to be a d*ck, but dude aren't you like 20? Have you ever actually traveled to these places?

Also, I actually met Aaron Sleazy in person when he used to do his bootcamps in London. He's a piece of sh*t. I'm sure he hasn't traveled all that much. Also, he uses disdain of the PUA community.....to sell his own PUA products. Just to give it some perspective.


Yeah, he's an anti-Guru Guru. He reminds me of those so-called genuine Internet marketers who bash gurus for their bullshit ebooks and then goes to market his own ebooks in the end.

His advice is sound though, that it pays off more in improving your looks and status rather than memorizing stupid routines when it comes to attracting girls.


Yeah of course. But this is what most of the PUA community preaches these days. Basically, he uses people's distrust of PUA to sell his own PUA products. That's what it really comes down to.

Also, he basically says that if you're not tall or good-looking, you should just give up on dating, which is crazy. And he says that foreign countries are no better than the US for picking up girls.

He's a typical PUA guru from what I've seen, except he claims not to be. And, no, he isn't very good with women in real life.
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Postby djfourmoney » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:56 pm

TopSpruce wrote:Well, no shit.

Thats why looking at GDP/capita is essential before planning a trip.

The combination of economic power and exoticness results in success.

If women didn't care about money, prestige, and social status they would date homeless beach bums or give equal preference too poorly paid/low status professions as they do to lawyers/doctors/and executives....


That depends..... Usually women in their teens and 20's will give these guy, beach bum (lazy), low wage workers their time; Why? Because Mr. Beach Bum eventually gets his parents wealth or starts to take his hobby serious, creating, oh I don't know Burton Snowboards?

The majority of low wage workers are people of color and lower middle class Whites. However you better get those White women early (18-23) because by the time they hit their mid 20's, early 30's they would have popped out a kid and either been in a long term relationship that ended in divorce or they never married and he left here. The vast majority of Black and Brown women will have had at least one child by then...

There is no such thing as p***y paradise, just places that have more opportunity because of other reasons not related to economics.

As I keep saying, if you're a White guy; White women in Western culture unless you meet a certain standard are not interested in you. So all who short, fat, balding, socially inept types will struggle. There are plenty of men like you but they cover up those flaws with MONEY (Power, Status, etc), which you ain't got otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. Paul Walker who died over the weekend was discovered that he was dating a good looking Blond sixteen year old woman.... Can you do that?

So my advice to you has been and will continue to be, get off your complaint ridden narrow asses and go to either to Latin America, Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia. There the fact that you're a Western White man gives you an advantage over the locals, as long as you're not some idiot Beta male. If you're a Beta, go to Asia, because Eastern European women and Latin Women demand you wear the pants in the family and you make the rules, if you keep deferring to her, she won't respect you, why should she?

That's not the culture socially she grew up in.

The other advantages is that women in those countries want blond haired, blue eyed children, especially Latins and that is not understanding biology at all, but none the less that's what they want. If you have Eurocentric features then if you're selective and don't fall for the first girl that's given you all her attention, you can do what Rock explained, have a few days and even sex with a few women without much effort and with you "showing them the money".

For Men of Color, yes our non-White skin and non Eurocentric features can be used to our advantage. Its like going out in the garage to see you have a Ferrari sitting there and you still can't believe its yours. Especially if you're a Black man and fit into that narrow hyper masculine stereotype that White America has fashioned. In other words when non-Black women post pictures of Black men or put Black men on their walls its 50 Cent, Omarion or some other either tough looking or tough acting Black man. Chris Brown can't get women to stop talking about him, the world knows he's went up Rihanna's head more than once but women like that, he's authoritative, good looking, rich and talented.

Anyway my point is, Black men, smell good, look fresh and for gawd sakes get tone up. If you got guns, six pack, pects and trim waist, when you pull your shirt off (in preparation to have sex), women will a have small orasgim, I am not bullsh*ting with you.

There's plenty of proof and I shouldn't have to tell you. You don't have to be rich in Brazil, just be normal. What do Americans have? Apartments, Flat Screens, Computers, Smartphones and Cars... So you wanna be like dude on this site that wants to live in Bolivia on $400US a month? He'll be looking at no different than the locals, but the fact that he's White and as I said above Moreans and Dark skin Latinas want children with White skin because they'll have a better live, I ain't bullshitting, look at Latin TV... So even at $400 some decent looking Latin woman will want to be with him but for no other reason than he's White. Long term if they share common values the relationship will last because Latin women will put up with a ton of shit no American woman would put up with.

I always find it interesting while guys try to justify them only pulling so-so women, even in foreign lands. I think its just dudes tired of looking and take what they can get when it presents itself. I get that, but as I've said again, don't try to convince me you're woman in "Too Hot To Trot". Any man can get a good looking women, it ain't that hard = Low self esteem....
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Re: Manosphere Myths: The p***y Paradise

Postby djfourmoney » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:01 pm

Rayn wrote:
Maverick wrote:
theprimebait wrote:The manosphere is obsessed with many things, most of them entirely imaginary. One of the strongest collective delusions in that corner of the Internet is the belief that right where you live, the women suck, but that somewhere else they literally throw themselves at you just because you happen to have a pulse. It's the myth of the p***y paradise, namely that in some other place the women will literally throw themselves at any (foreign) man.

Roosh V himself is a prime example. I don't want to bash the poor guy this time, but instead talk about the people on his forum. They think that it's only the fault of the women in their area if they get rejected over and over. This must be the case because their idol Roosh V himself says that the women in [insert random country] suck. Salvation is to be found elsewhere, so Roosh travels all over the world, and doesn't really get anywhere with girls, and his forum members aspire to be like him. They don't get laid at home either but believe that in some faraway land things will be much different.


On Roosh's forum you'll find thread after thread after thread were those guys are wondering where in the world the women are beautiful and willing, and which country they should take a vacation in. At the moment, though, they are panicking because the EU plans to crack down on sex tourism.

Let's just be blunt and say it like it is: yes, in some unfortunate circumstances your environment can severely hinder your chances with women, simply because there aren't enough around. Just look at demographics. For instance, in the US there is a surplus of women on the East Coast, while there is an enormous surplus of men on the West Coast. You may have seen this map from National Geographic before:


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I hear relatively frequently from guys in the Bay Area who complain about a dearth of women. Given the demographics, especially if you working in the technology sector, this is not an illusion. It simply boils down to a trade-off. Yes, career prospects may be better in a technology hub, but you may also limit your life in other areas. Presumably, you wouldn't want to spent your entire life working on an oil rig either. The money is good, though, so I can understand the motivation.

However, in most places there are enough single men and single women out there, and meeting someone new shouldn't be a challenge. Of course, it's necessary to take a realistic look at yourself, and that's the kind of advice many women should take to heart as well. If you don't get anywhere with women in your city, it's most likely not the fault of the women. With the exception of sex tourism hotspots, it won't get easier abroad. This is especially true if you think you can spend a week in, say, Norway or Denmark, and find your future bride there.

Sex tourism is based on economic inequality. There is a good reason why there are Russian mail-order brides, but not Swedish or Norwegian ones. The latter countries are highly developed, and you as a foreigner will most likely have a lower economic status. Please don't cite skewed GDP per capita figures now. Those figures are high for the US as well, but the average American is much worse off than the average Dane or Swede. So, simply being from the US won't quite cut it there.

Sure, you can look "exotic" abroad, which is a benefit of some races, but not all. In general, though, you will do as well or badly abroad than you'll do at home. As a sex tourist or a regular tourist in a sex tourism hotspot, though, people will only view you as a walking wallet --- if stories from people living in Thailand are to be believed. If getting laid in a third-world country is your goal, dear manosphere members, then please don't kid yourself that the women are easier or whatnot. You're simply paying for a service. In countries of a comparable standard of living, you will probably do worse because a local girl doesn't have much to gain by picking a random foreigner over a local guy. Inter-racial and inter-cultural marriages are still an exception, so please discount any anecdotal evidence. Lastly, in countries in which the standard of living is higher than in your home countries, you will fight a severe uphill battle. Ask Roosh how well he has done in Denmark and Sweden, for instance.

So, where is the p***y paradise, then? Well, if you discount sex tourism, then there is none, but if you are a (potential) sex tourist, then you're simply buying the women, which you could do basically anywhere else as well. Even right where you live.

http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.nl/2013/03/ ... adise.html


Not to be a d*ck, but dude aren't you like 20? Have you ever actually traveled to these places?

Also, I actually met Aaron Sleazy in person when he used to do his bootcamps in London. He's a piece of sh*t. I'm sure he hasn't traveled all that much. Also, he uses disdain of the PUA community.....to sell his own PUA products. Just to give it some perspective.


Yeah, he's an anti-Guru Guru. He reminds me of those so-called genuine Internet marketers who bash gurus for their bullshit ebooks and then goes to market his own ebooks in the end.

His advice is sound though, that it pays off more in improving your looks and status rather than memorizing stupid routines when it comes to attracting girls.


Its easy to improve your looks, its a 100 Billion dollar industry... Cut your nose hair, trim the hair on our eyes, if you MUST have a beard keep it trim, loose your belly fat, get a hair cut that fits your face, have some nice clothes, I didn't say expensive. No idea on clothes, go to good store like Men's Warehouse, even then most Sales people will help you.

Its still an uphill battle in America though, especially if you don't meet the economic standards of educated, successful women in America. Its much CHEAPER to find a wife ELSEWHERE. p***y can be found ANYWHERE.
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Postby Maverick » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:40 am

djfourmoney wrote:
TopSpruce wrote:Well, no shit.

Thats why looking at GDP/capita is essential before planning a trip.

The combination of economic power and exoticness results in success.

If women didn't care about money, prestige, and social status they would date homeless beach bums or give equal preference too poorly paid/low status professions as they do to lawyers/doctors/and executives....


That depends..... Usually women in their teens and 20's will give these guy, beach bum (lazy), low wage workers their time; Why? Because Mr. Beach Bum eventually gets his parents wealth or starts to take his hobby serious, creating, oh I don't know Burton Snowboards?

The majority of low wage workers are people of color and lower middle class Whites. However you better get those White women early (18-23) because by the time they hit their mid 20's, early 30's they would have popped out a kid and either been in a long term relationship that ended in divorce or they never married and he left here. The vast majority of Black and Brown women will have had at least one child by then...

There is no such thing as p***y paradise, just places that have more opportunity because of other reasons not related to economics.

As I keep saying, if you're a White guy; White women in Western culture unless you meet a certain standard are not interested in you. So all who short, fat, balding, socially inept types will struggle. There are plenty of men like you but they cover up those flaws with MONEY (Power, Status, etc), which you ain't got otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. Paul Walker who died over the weekend was discovered that he was dating a good looking Blond sixteen year old woman.... Can you do that?

So my advice to you has been and will continue to be, get off your complaint ridden narrow asses and go to either to Latin America, Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia. There the fact that you're a Western White man gives you an advantage over the locals, as long as you're not some idiot Beta male. If you're a Beta, go to Asia, because Eastern European women and Latin Women demand you wear the pants in the family and you make the rules, if you keep deferring to her, she won't respect you, why should she?

That's not the culture socially she grew up in.

The other advantages is that women in those countries want blond haired, blue eyed children, especially Latins and that is not understanding biology at all, but none the less that's what they want. If you have Eurocentric features then if you're selective and don't fall for the first girl that's given you all her attention, you can do what Rock explained, have a few days and even sex with a few women without much effort and with you "showing them the money".

For Men of Color, yes our non-White skin and non Eurocentric features can be used to our advantage. Its like going out in the garage to see you have a Ferrari sitting there and you still can't believe its yours. Especially if you're a Black man and fit into that narrow hyper masculine stereotype that White America has fashioned. In other words when non-Black women post pictures of Black men or put Black men on their walls its 50 Cent, Omarion or some other either tough looking or tough acting Black man. Chris Brown can't get women to stop talking about him, the world knows he's went up Rihanna's head more than once but women like that, he's authoritative, good looking, rich and talented.

Anyway my point is, Black men, smell good, look fresh and for gawd sakes get tone up. If you got guns, six pack, pects and trim waist, when you pull your shirt off (in preparation to have sex), women will a have small orasgim, I am not bullsh*ting with you.

There's plenty of proof and I shouldn't have to tell you. You don't have to be rich in Brazil, just be normal. What do Americans have? Apartments, Flat Screens, Computers, Smartphones and Cars... So you wanna be like dude on this site that wants to live in Bolivia on $400US a month? He'll be looking at no different than the locals, but the fact that he's White and as I said above Moreans and Dark skin Latinas want children with White skin because they'll have a better live, I ain't bullshitting, look at Latin TV... So even at $400 some decent looking Latin woman will want to be with him but for no other reason than he's White. Long term if they share common values the relationship will last because Latin women will put up with a ton of shit no American woman would put up with.

I always find it interesting while guys try to justify them only pulling so-so women, even in foreign lands. I think its just dudes tired of looking and take what they can get when it presents itself. I get that, but as I've said again, don't try to convince me you're woman in "Too Hot To Trot". Any man can get a good looking women, it ain't that hard = Low self esteem....


I think any guy can do okay in the US as far as women. However, if you are not good-looking, short, fat, bald, non-desired race, it will mostly have to be through social circle. I've gotten a decent amount of good looking white girls through social circle. It's also possible to pull attractive women from bars/clubs.

Cold approaches? Meh, somewhat. It's all a numbers game and you'll have to approach A LOT to see success.

Online dating? Forget about it if you're not perfect on paper.

Of course, once you do get the girls, you have to be on top of your game all the time or they lose interest. While I have experienced some exceptions, with most girls here, it sucks more to get them than it does to be forever alone.
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Postby djfourmoney » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:40 am

Maverick wrote:
djfourmoney wrote:
TopSpruce wrote:Well, no shit.

Thats why looking at GDP/capita is essential before planning a trip.

The combination of economic power and exoticness results in success.

If women didn't care about money, prestige, and social status they would date homeless beach bums or give equal preference too poorly paid/low status professions as they do to lawyers/doctors/and executives....


That depends..... Usually women in their teens and 20's will give these guy, beach bum (lazy), low wage workers their time; Why? Because Mr. Beach Bum eventually gets his parents wealth or starts to take his hobby serious, creating, oh I don't know Burton Snowboards?

The majority of low wage workers are people of color and lower middle class Whites. However you better get those White women early (18-23) because by the time they hit their mid 20's, early 30's they would have popped out a kid and either been in a long term relationship that ended in divorce or they never married and he left here. The vast majority of Black and Brown women will have had at least one child by then...

There is no such thing as p***y paradise, just places that have more opportunity because of other reasons not related to economics.

As I keep saying, if you're a White guy; White women in Western culture unless you meet a certain standard are not interested in you. So all who short, fat, balding, socially inept types will struggle. There are plenty of men like you but they cover up those flaws with MONEY (Power, Status, etc), which you ain't got otherwise you wouldn't be posting here. Paul Walker who died over the weekend was discovered that he was dating a good looking Blond sixteen year old woman.... Can you do that?

So my advice to you has been and will continue to be, get off your complaint ridden narrow asses and go to either to Latin America, Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia. There the fact that you're a Western White man gives you an advantage over the locals, as long as you're not some idiot Beta male. If you're a Beta, go to Asia, because Eastern European women and Latin Women demand you wear the pants in the family and you make the rules, if you keep deferring to her, she won't respect you, why should she?

That's not the culture socially she grew up in.

The other advantages is that women in those countries want blond haired, blue eyed children, especially Latins and that is not understanding biology at all, but none the less that's what they want. If you have Eurocentric features then if you're selective and don't fall for the first girl that's given you all her attention, you can do what Rock explained, have a few days and even sex with a few women without much effort and with you "showing them the money".

For Men of Color, yes our non-White skin and non Eurocentric features can be used to our advantage. Its like going out in the garage to see you have a Ferrari sitting there and you still can't believe its yours. Especially if you're a Black man and fit into that narrow hyper masculine stereotype that White America has fashioned. In other words when non-Black women post pictures of Black men or put Black men on their walls its 50 Cent, Omarion or some other either tough looking or tough acting Black man. Chris Brown can't get women to stop talking about him, the world knows he's went up Rihanna's head more than once but women like that, he's authoritative, good looking, rich and talented.

Anyway my point is, Black men, smell good, look fresh and for gawd sakes get tone up. If you got guns, six pack, pects and trim waist, when you pull your shirt off (in preparation to have sex), women will a have small orasgim, I am not bullsh*ting with you.

There's plenty of proof and I shouldn't have to tell you. You don't have to be rich in Brazil, just be normal. What do Americans have? Apartments, Flat Screens, Computers, Smartphones and Cars... So you wanna be like dude on this site that wants to live in Bolivia on $400US a month? He'll be looking at no different than the locals, but the fact that he's White and as I said above Moreans and Dark skin Latinas want children with White skin because they'll have a better live, I ain't bullshitting, look at Latin TV... So even at $400 some decent looking Latin woman will want to be with him but for no other reason than he's White. Long term if they share common values the relationship will last because Latin women will put up with a ton of shit no American woman would put up with.

I always find it interesting while guys try to justify them only pulling so-so women, even in foreign lands. I think its just dudes tired of looking and take what they can get when it presents itself. I get that, but as I've said again, don't try to convince me you're woman in "Too Hot To Trot". Any man can get a good looking women, it ain't that hard = Low self esteem....


I think any guy can do okay in the US as far as women. However, if you are not good-looking, short, fat, bald, non-desired race, it will mostly have to be through social circle. I've gotten a decent amount of good looking white girls through social circle. It's also possible to pull attractive women from bars/clubs.

Cold approaches? Meh, somewhat. It's all a numbers game and you'll have to approach A LOT to see success.

Online dating? Forget about it if you're not perfect on paper.

Of course, once you do get the girls, you have to be on top of your game all the time or they lose interest. While I have experienced some exceptions, with most girls here, it sucks more to get them than it does to be forever alone.


Oh brother... You really want to put that much effort into it? Do you want to be welcomed into a social circle because you're a friend of somebody else or do you wanna be that Gringo in some medium size town in Argentina? In other words do you wanna be a Man or be THE MAN?

Cold approaches work in other places because the women are LOOKING to be hit on by men, its not a foreign concept to them.

Online dating lost its appeal because many of the serious people have found somebody else, leaving mostly the trash, myself included. Unemployed, living with my momma, no car = LOOSER!

I also put things like "No BBW"s" in my profile and with a good chunk of the female population being overweight or self-conscious about their weight, well you just imagine I would get hate mail or just ignored even by women who really aren't fat just 5-10lbs overweight but as I said self-conscious, some Czech girl said "I was too big for her" she's full of sh*t, she is 5'6, maybe 150lbs = self-conscious...

I don't why some men defend the hard way, I know why because ITS THE EASIEST THING TO DO!
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Postby Maverick » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:00 am

djfourmoney wrote:
Oh brother... You really want to put that much effort into it? Do you want to be welcomed into a social circle because you're a friend of somebody else or do you wanna be that Gringo in some medium size town in Argentina? In other words do you wanna be a Man or be THE MAN?


I definitely didn't say that it's better here. I said that it's POSSIBLE. Two very different things.

Cold approaches work in other places because the women are LOOKING to be hit on by men, its not a foreign concept to them.


Yes, agreed. Cold approaches don't work very well here unless you're willing to hit on A LOT of girls.

Online dating lost its appeal because many of the serious people have found somebody else, leaving mostly the trash, myself included. Unemployed, living with my momma, no car = LOOSER!


In my experience, online dating is the exception to what I wrote. You really can't get anywhere with women on there unless you check the boxes (looks, height, education, job).

I also put things like "No BBW"s" in my profile and with a good chunk of the female population being overweight or self-conscious about their weight, well you just imagine I would get hate mail or just ignored even by women who really aren't fat just 5-10lbs overweight but as I said self-conscious, some Czech girl said "I was too big for her" she's full of sh*t, she is 5'6, maybe 150lbs = self-conscious...


Again, online dating sucks. I do not advocate that at all.

I don't why some men defend the hard way, I know why because ITS THE EASIEST THING TO DO!


I'm not defending anything. Again, I said that it's possible. And I definitely wouldn't call dating in the US easy. It's mostly unpleasant.
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Postby The Professor » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:43 pm

Everything op says is true and I think deep down many of you know it.

Many of my local friends in China have never even been on a date or kissed a girl. When I told them that I was a virgin they were shocked, they thought every guy in America could get tons of p***y, and probably got that idea from Hollywood movies. A lot of my foreign friends in China had no luck with Chinese women and said they did much better with women back home. My 22 year old roommate had a fit body and was a pretty handsome guy and he was dating a woman over 40 even though he really wanted a girl his own age, problem was just Chinese women his own age did not give him the time of day.

I see people on "The Manosphere" doing as op describes. They go to another country thinking they'll be a huge success with women and then complain when they get rejected or when only gold diggers have any interest in them at all. Either that or they'll get with a woman from another country, find out she is cheating on him and then realize he was just being used for money all along. Either way they continue thinking that in some other country things are better. The search for the "p***y paradise" is much like the search for The Philosopher's Stone. It doesn't exist and it never did. Men are naturally just much more interested in women than the other way around. That's why men are so romantically proactive, why they date down and why they are willing to do so much to get with a woman. For this reason women will always control relationships, marriage and sex. It is like that everywhere, AWALT.
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Postby The_Adventurer » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:55 pm

I have it on good authority the Philosopher's Stone is buried on a mountain in Lebanon.
“b***y is so strong that there are dudes willing to blow themselves up for the highly unlikely possibility of b***y in another dimension." -- Joe Rogan
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