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Postby fschmidt » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:10 pm

HouseMD wrote:She never wanted this. She just wanted to sleep with one guy after marriage (she's quite a religious Catholic), but no guy would stay with her without her putting out. She held on till 22 years old, a f***ing feat in today's oversexualized society. And even after that failed, she didn't have sex for another three years as she waited for another decent guy to come along. She wasn't exactly a slut with her grand total of 1 partner up until she was 25 years old. But again, no guy would go on more than a second date if she didn't put out, so eventually she just gave up.

There are a good number of women that don't really want to sleep around, believe it or not. They just want to marry one guy that is half-decent in bed. True sluts are a minority, and there are plenty of studies to back that fact up.

All of this is pure bullshit, both from you and her. Now show me the studies to back up your assertion.
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Postby S_Parc » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:19 pm

fschmidt wrote:All of this is pure bullshit, both from you and her. Now show me the studies to back up your assertion.


Well one thing's for certain, many girls who'd gone through the Catholic system, do become sluts because of all that oppression, esp when they graduate and attend these Catholic "drinking" schools like a Holy Cross or Assumption.
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Postby Cornfed » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:37 pm

Sounds like just the usual case of sluts wanting to have their cake and eat it. I take it the preferences expressed are for the guy acting out the role of being her husband by paying for everything, as opposed to all the guys using her as a dumpster on the side.
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Postby HouseMD » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:55 pm

fschmidt wrote:
HouseMD wrote:She never wanted this. She just wanted to sleep with one guy after marriage (she's quite a religious Catholic), but no guy would stay with her without her putting out. She held on till 22 years old, a f***ing feat in today's oversexualized society. And even after that failed, she didn't have sex for another three years as she waited for another decent guy to come along. She wasn't exactly a slut with her grand total of 1 partner up until she was 25 years old. But again, no guy would go on more than a second date if she didn't put out, so eventually she just gave up.

There are a good number of women that don't really want to sleep around, believe it or not. They just want to marry one guy that is half-decent in bed. True sluts are a minority, and there are plenty of studies to back that fact up.

All of this is pure bullshit, both from you and her. Now show me the studies to back up your assertion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/se ... ave-4.html

look up any study on promiscuity in the west. Most women have 4 or less sexual partners in their life, and about a quarter of women only have one sexual partner ever. Less than 20 percent of women get over ten partners in their lifetime. The thing is, the women that sleep around sleep around a LOT- most studies peg the average number of partners for women in the 10+ group somewhere in the 20s. Feel free to refute me with any research you can find. Most of the women I know fall on the low or very high side of the scale, with 1-2 partners or 8-20 partners, not a lot of in between anecdotally.

And I assure you, she only had 1 partner till she was 25, we've been very good friends for many years and have lived together for 4 of them. We know each other better than most husbands and wives do most likely lol.

And there is a lot of truth to what she says. Would you be okay dating a girl that was much smarter than you? That made more money than you? How many of you can fix broken shit around the house, or carry on like real men? How many of you are able to be the dominant force in a relationship, to not go all squishy and weak and actually put a woman in her place?

Mountain Dew slurping, Playstation playing (24/7, mind you, not casually), porn addicted bums that can take care of themselves let alone a household or children are the norm nowadays. Why would a woman be attracted to that?

American women are f***ed up, but so are the men. And this is mostly a jab at white men- I have countless friends that fit the stereotype. I'm advocating we learn what our culture has done to f**k us up as well, so that we can fix the damage caused by exposure to this toxic environment.
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Postby fschmidt » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:36 pm

HouseMD wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/sexual-health-and-advice/8958520/Average-man-has-9-sexual-partners-in-lifetime-women-have-4.html

From the article: "men reported having 9.3 different partners on average" and "By contrast, women had a mean average of 4.7 sexual partners in their lives so far". Now tell me, genius, how can the AVERAGE number of partners of men and women be different? They mathematically must be equal (unless you count homosexual partners). So someone is lying, probably both given that almost all members of modern culture are slime, but the women are probably lying more. In any case, this article is clearly worthless.

And there is a lot of truth to what she says. Would you be okay dating a girl that was much smarter than you? That made more money than you? How many of you can fix broken shit around the house, or carry on like real men? How many of you are able to be the dominant force in a relationship, to not go all squishy and weak and actually put a woman in her place?

Mountain Dew slurping, Playstation playing (24/7, mind you, not casually), p**n addicted bums that can take care of themselves let alone a household or children are the norm nowadays. Why would a woman be attracted to that?

American women are f***ed up, but so are the men. And this is mostly a jab at white men- I have countless friends that fit the stereotype. I'm advocating we learn what our culture has done to f**k us up as well, so that we can fix the damage caused by exposure to this toxic environment.

What a bunch of shaming bullshit. Of course I am not going to defend the average modern man, he is shit too. But the difference is that decent men actually exist in modern culture, even if they are an infinitesimal minority, while decent women do not exist in modern culture at all, period. So if some strange mutant decent woman actually appeared in modern culture, against all odds, she would have any of the few decent men in that culture to choose from.
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Postby HouseMD » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:56 pm

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HouseMD wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/sexual-health-and-advice/8958520/Average-man-has-9-sexual-partners-in-lifetime-women-have-4.html

From the article: "men reported having 9.3 different partners on average" and "By contrast, women had a mean average of 4.7 sexual partners in their lives so far". Now tell me, genius, how can the AVERAGE number of partners of men and women be different? They mathematically must be equal (unless you count homosexual partners). So someone is lying, probably both given that almost all members of modern culture are slime, but the women are probably lying more. In any case, this article is clearly worthless.

And there is a lot of truth to what she says. Would you be okay dating a girl that was much smarter than you? That made more money than you? How many of you can fix broken shit around the house, or carry on like real men? How many of you are able to be the dominant force in a relationship, to not go all squishy and weak and actually put a woman in her place?

Mountain Dew slurping, Playstation playing (24/7, mind you, not casually), p**n addicted bums that can take care of themselves let alone a household or children are the norm nowadays. Why would a woman be attracted to that?

American women are f***ed up, but so are the men. And this is mostly a jab at white men- I have countless friends that fit the stereotype. I'm advocating we learn what our culture has done to f**k us up as well, so that we can fix the damage caused by exposure to this toxic environment.

What a bunch of shaming bullshit. Of course I am not going to defend the average modern man, he is shit too. But the difference is that decent men actually exist in modern culture, even if they are an infinitesimal minority, while decent women do not exist in modern culture at all, period. So if some strange mutant decent woman actually appeared in modern culture, against all odds, she would have any of the few decent men in that culture to choose from.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/weeki ... .html?_r=0

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3 ... qjskeLhxC8

When hooked up to a fake lie detector, women do report a higher average number of partners (4.4, up from 3.4 when they believe they are not being monitored) while the average for men went down from 4.0 to 3.7 partners. This sample is likely higher than the general population, however, as they were college students (where sex is more encouraged) and married students were specifically excluded. Many women who marry in their late teens or early 20s have two or less sexual partners, which skews the average too much for a study this size. This is not reflective of the general population, but gives you an idea of where things really stand for people in the 18-25 age group.

The reasons men report more partners are many. Men consider more things to be sex, many engage in sex acts outside of the surveyed population (prostitutes are excluded and foreign women are obviously not included). Women rarely engage in sex outside of the surveyed population, and often do not consider things that are do not involve a penis in a vagina as sex.

And men who are fairly pathetic should be shamed, the same as sluts should be. Both are not holding up to their societal role and deserve to be treated negatively in accordance with their behavior. Not enforcing gender roles is a lot of how we got in this mess in the first place.
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Postby fightforlove » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:03 pm

fschmidt wrote:From the article: "men reported having 9.3 different partners on average" and "By contrast, women had a mean average of 4.7 sexual partners in their lives so far". Now tell me, genius, how can the AVERAGE number of partners of men and women be different? They mathematically must be equal (unless you count homosexual partners). So someone is lying...


As a rule of thumb, always take the number of partners a man claims to have had and divide that number by 3. Then take the number of partners a woman says she's been with and multiply that number by 3.
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Postby fschmidt » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:10 pm

HouseMD wrote:When hooked up to a fake lie detector, women do report a higher average number of partners (4.4, up from 3.4 when they believe they are not being monitored) while the average for men went down from 4.0 to 3.7 partners.

That's more like it, and confirms exactly what I said. Both lie but women lie more.

This sample is likely higher than the general population, however, as they were college students (where sex is more encouraged) and married students were specifically excluded. Many women who marry in their late teens or early 20s have two or less sexual partners, which skews the average too much for a study this size. This is not reflective of the general population, but gives you an idea of where things really stand for people in the 18-25 age group.

This sample is likely lower than the general population because not many women marry young anymore, and the number of sexual partners increase with age.

The reasons men report more partners are many. Men consider more things to be sex, many engage in sex acts outside of the surveyed population (hoes are excluded and foreign women are obviously not included). Women rarely engage in sex outside of the surveyed population, and often do not consider things that are do not involve a penis in a v****a as sex.

None of this would be reflected in a change with a fake lie detector. The bottom line is that modern people just lie.

And men who are fairly pathetic should be shamed, the same as sluts should be. Both are not holding up to their societal role and deserve to be treated negatively in accordance with their behavior. Not enforcing gender roles is a lot of how we got in this mess in the first place.

We are past that point. Modern culture is terminally ill and no amount of shaming will cure it. We should just do our best to rob as much money as we can from these slime before their culture collapses.
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Postby HouseMD » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:27 pm

fschmidt wrote:
HouseMD wrote:When hooked up to a fake lie detector, women do report a higher average number of partners (4.4, up from 3.4 when they believe they are not being monitored) while the average for men went down from 4.0 to 3.7 partners.

That's more like it, and confirms exactly what I said. Both lie but women lie more.

This sample is likely higher than the general population, however, as they were college students (where sex is more encouraged) and married students were specifically excluded. Many women who marry in their late teens or early 20s have two or less sexual partners, which skews the average too much for a study this size. This is not reflective of the general population, but gives you an idea of where things really stand for people in the 18-25 age group.

This sample is likely lower than the general population because not many women marry young anymore, and the number of sexual partners increase with age.

The reasons men report more partners are many. Men consider more things to be sex, many engage in sex acts outside of the surveyed population (hoes are excluded and foreign women are obviously not included). Women rarely engage in sex outside of the surveyed population, and often do not consider things that are do not involve a penis in a v****a as sex.

None of this would be reflected in a change with a fake lie detector. The bottom line is that modern people just lie.

And men who are fairly pathetic should be shamed, the same as sluts should be. Both are not holding up to their societal role and deserve to be treated negatively in accordance with their behavior. Not enforcing gender roles is a lot of how we got in this mess in the first place.

We are past that point. Modern culture is terminally ill and no amount of shaming will cure it. We should just do our best to rob as much money as we can from these slime before their culture collapses.

In the population that anyone actually cares about (18-25 year old females) these numbers are the case. Who gives a damn about older women? And I agree that the country isn't worth saving, but I also believe that those of us leaving need to carry ourselves as men. A boy does not deserve respect. Taking everything we can before leaving I can also agree with.

I think you've mistaken a thought exercise in which I was attempting to understand the way in which American culture has damaged people as something else entirely. I like to examine things so that we might be able to live better lives in our new countries, and also so that we might warn the locals of the evils we have escaped. You cannot fight that which you do not understand, nor can you heal a lesion you have not examined.
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Postby fightforlove » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:44 pm

Your friend was a carousel observer. If she was a devout Catholic involved in the church and was reasonably attractive, rest assured, there were men around her who wanted to date/court her in pursuit of traditional marriage. Problem is, those poor chaps were not even on her radar screen while she was busy noticing and going out with the kind of men who wanted to bed her on the second date. She may have had enough religious conscience to keep herself from becoming an all-out carousel rider for while, but the church guys who would have loved her fine were still too awkward, too shy, too ugly, too poor, too nice, too… Christian. Now, only after hitting the wall, has the smart, introspective, traditional, responsible, fairly short (but not too short!), hard-working industrious man become noticeable to her. While somewhat rare, these men do exist, but sadly most have been pretty ravaged by the dating desert they endured through their 20s. Many of them are afraid of relationships and/or have given up and taken themselves off the market. Some have also dropped out of the church, with a few even going 180 and re-inventing themselves as asshole/PUA-types. It will be tough to find, but I think there still could be a nice, Catholic beta sucker willing to date her. Let’s just hope his penis is big enough.
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Postby fschmidt » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:52 pm

HouseMD wrote:I think you've mistaken a thought exercise in which I was attempting to understand the way in which American culture has damaged people as something else entirely. I like to examine things so that we might be able to live better lives in our new countries, and also so that we might warn the locals of the evils we have escaped. You cannot fight that which you do not understand, nor can you heal a lesion you have not examined.

Even as a thought exercise, I disagree. The main issue isn't the difficulty women have finding decent men, the main issue is the lack moral guidance given the entire population. Worrying about examples like the woman mentioned in your initial post is a waste of time. The interesting question is what can be done to make people behave in a civilized manner, and this is something that I have been thinking about and writing about for the last several years.
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Postby momopi » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:12 am

Some men have higher numbers of partners because they frequent massage parlors, in/out-call escorts, etc.

A college student who visits the local AMP's to get happy ending might get included in the survey, while the female employees at the AMP who offer services to multiple customers daily are likely excluded.
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Postby Hackenfall Backslash » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:23 am

HouseMD wrote:And there is a lot of truth to what she says. Would you be okay dating a girl that was much smarter than you? That made more money than you? How many of you can fix broken shit around the house, or carry on like real men? How many of you are able to be the dominant force in a relationship, to not go all squishy and weak and actually put a woman in her place?

Mountain Dew slurping, Playstation playing (24/7, mind you, not casually), p**n addicted bums that can take care of themselves let alone a household or children are the norm nowadays. Why would a woman be attracted to that?

American women are f***ed up, but so are the men. And this is mostly a jab at white men- I have countless friends that fit the stereotype. I'm advocating we learn what our culture has done to f**k us up as well, so that we can fix the damage caused by exposure to this toxic environment.

Whoa! Spotted another intelligent user. I couldn't agree with you more. Men are apart of this mess as well. Not just the intricacies either, but the big picture and the seed that grew into a shitstorm tree. Women may be horrible creatures now, BUT . . . being objective, I couldn't, as a woman, say I'd like to be romantically or sexually involved with the men of today. They have a one-track mind. Sex. When not having sex? Watching lame shows or playing Call of Duty. Or fighting for no reason. Drinking. You get it. Everything the manosphere discusses is not just the work of women, but men as well. After all, when it comes to the laws, who allows them to be legislated? (:

I've seen it all where I live. Not putting a woman in her place when she cheats on you; having more interest in lying and making yourself out to be this exotic Frenchman that drives Cadillacs and has dead parents that aren't "really dead" (personal experience); worrying about selling drugs -- the list goes on.

I agree. Women have their faults but it takes two to tango. Two sexes, to be precise. Good post though, stranger. I look forward to engaging in some banter with you around the site.
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Postby Teal Lantern » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:09 am

HouseMD wrote:The trouble isn't that they can't get dates. It's that there's few real men left, we've become a nation of lazy boys that would rather kick back and play Modern Warfare 22: Electric Boogaloo than do anything becoming of a real man. She could find a dozen boys that want to marry her- there's one guy that smokes pot all day and stocks shelves for minimum wage, another guy who is more interested in watching TV and playing Magic: the Gathering than he is in sex, another one who is drunk 70% of his waking hours and is unemployed, etc. All she wants is a guy who basically runs the show, and no man is willing to step up and do what men have been doing for 10,000 years.

"Lazy boys" aren't willing (or able, given various quota systems) to work themselves into early graves so that cupcakes can retire to SAHM status. This is a problem for whom?
"No fault" and alimony haven't been around for 10,000 years.


HouseMD wrote:I'm not saying we should be going after American women, god no. Nor that we should wait for them to come around.

So you recognize that taking on the role of Real Manâ„¢ for an American women is not exactly a benefit to you, not to mention the risks it carries.
The same role you look down on these other men for not being worthy of? :?


HouseMD wrote:But if the attitude of women wanting to be in traditional relationships becomes more pervasive, perhaps someday feminism will fall. This is extremely important to the future of the world, as feminism spreads like a plague. If it were to fall in the U.S., the spread might contract or halt. There needs to be a movement of women pushing for traditional gender roles, and men that are willing to step up and fill those shoes to boot.

Men that are willing to resume the role of disposable utility for ingrates? Pass.
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HouseMD wrote:All that said, I'm still getting the f**k out ASAP. I just wanted to give some thought to if there was any hope that the spread of feminism might be curtailed, and whether the most recent generation of men are such pussies that perhaps they are shooting themselves in the foot in addition to having the knife of feminism planted firmly in their back.

"Feminism", like most other "-isms" stops when it runs out of other peoples' money.
The same women who would call men "losers", etc. for not "manning up" would label you "wants a slave", "can't handle a strong woman" for deciding to get a foreign woman.
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