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Traditionalism's Last Hope

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Postby zboy1 » Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:13 am

SilverEnergy wrote:Whatever traditionalism is still left in the world will be totally gone in 20-30 years.

With technology evolving faster than it's ever have, everyone in the world will be plugged in.

They won't have a choice because people will be cut off from money and food without access to technology.

Within a decade, smartphones and tablets will be able to operate every function of your car and control many aspects of your home such as controlling your thermostat, opening your doors, turning on your lights ect.

It's very sad what's going to happen but it's inevitable.


Yup, I agree; that's why people better move soon, or else everything will be changed for the worse, and every country will end up like the West, in about 30 or so years. ...
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Postby Teal Lantern » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:45 am

fschmidt wrote:
Teal Lantern wrote:Religion on a scale large enough to affect culture requires sacrifice and cooperation, in a world of increasingly secular "if it feels good, do it ... and get cash & prizes, too".

Religion doesn't have to affect the surrounding culture, it is good enough for a religion to have its own culture for its members. A good religion with 20 families at one location would be more than enough to satisfy me.


This system works as long as everyone is on good behavior ... and you're on an island.

Let's say you put together such a group, right now, in Texas.
Any of those 20 families can still be blown up the moment one of the cupcakes becomes unhaaaappy.
She claims abuse against herself or (another favorite tactic) against the daughters.
The sheriff, CPS/DCFS, and family court that is run by the broader jurisdiction (county & state gov) is still there to kick the man out (a/o arrest him on VAWA, etc) and take what he's worked for and then some.

If the cash & prizes or new "tingles" available are a greater lure to her than the threat of being excommunicated or ostracized by your group, you haven't saved the man in the equation from being ruined.
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Postby fschmidt » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:25 am

Teal Lantern wrote:This system works as long as everyone is on good behavior ... and you're on an island.

Let's say you put together such a group, right now, in Texas.
Any of those 20 families can still be blown up the moment one of the cupcakes becomes unhaaaappy.
She claims abuse against herself or (another favorite tactic) against the daughters.
The sheriff, CPS/DCFS, and family court that is run by the broader jurisdiction (county & state gov) is still there to kick the man out (a/o arrest him on VAWA, etc) and take what he's worked for and then some.

If the cash & prizes or new "tingles" available are a greater lure to her than the threat of being excommunicated or ostracized by your group, you haven't saved the man in the equation from being ruined.

This is standard MGTOW bullshit, rationalizing decadence. I have already refuted this kind of thing elsewhere and I don't feel like repeating myself.
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Postby Cornfed » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:40 pm

Teal Lantern wrote:This system works as long as everyone is on good behavior ... and you're on an island.

Let's say you put together such a group, right now, in Texas.
Any of those 20 families can still be blown up the moment one of the cupcakes becomes unhaaaappy.
She claims abuse against herself or (another favorite tactic) against the daughters.
The sheriff, CPS/DCFS, and family court that is run by the broader jurisdiction (county & state gov) is still there to kick the man out (a/o arrest him on VAWA, etc) and take what he's worked for and then some.

If the cash & prizes or new "tingles" available are a greater lure to her than the threat of being excommunicated or ostracized by your group, you haven't saved the man in the equation from being ruined.

I would never suggest anyone break any law, but surely the solution to such problems is for the offending females to be killed. If they knew that they were picking a fight with a community of religious fanatics who wouldn't hesitate to kill them and that the pigs would have no hope of protecting them, this would tend to discourage treachery.
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Postby Teal Lantern » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:06 pm

fschmidt wrote:
Teal Lantern wrote:This system works as long as everyone is on good behavior ... and you're on an island.

Let's say you put together such a group, right now, in Texas.
Any of those 20 families can still be blown up the moment one of the cupcakes becomes unhaaaappy.
She claims abuse against herself or (another favorite tactic) against the daughters.
The sheriff, CPS/DCFS, and family court that is run by the broader jurisdiction (county & state gov) is still there to kick the man out (a/o arrest him on VAWA, etc) and take what he's worked for and then some.

If the cash & prizes or new "tingles" available are a greater lure to her than the threat of being excommunicated or ostracized by your group, you haven't saved the man in the equation from being ruined.

This is standard MGTOW bullshit, rationalizing decadence. I have already refuted this kind of thing elsewhere and I don't feel like repeating myself.


Figures. This is where traditionalists always lose their shit.
You ask them how their "man up" posture protects you in the unbalanced legal system, they accuse you of rationalizing ....
decadence: behavior that shows low morals and a great love of pleasure, money, fame, etc.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decadence

Other favorite gotos are cowardice, advocating sin, or general irresponsibility.
If Trads sold real estate, they'd call you a punk-ass for not wanting to live in a neighborhood where half the houses get struck by arson.

Jump in the meat grinder, men; we provide no protections for you, but, we'll call you nasty names if you don't, Fraidy Cat.
Oh, and whatever happens after you sign up is your loss and your fault.
:roll:
Even a lowly street gang offers recruits better protection than this.

Here, I will paraphrase the answer that was given on another thread for why the wives in this new religion wouldn't blow up their marriages like the general population does.
Ready? She'd lose her local social network. Yep, that's the big deterrent.
Think about that in the context of modern communications (she's got how many online friends?), travel, & the normal relocating that people already do. :roll:
I keep engaging trads to see if they've come up with an answer that works within the current legal regime.
They still haven't.
As Banano and others observed long ago, men who want a safer version of the deal have to get on a plane.
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Postby theprimebait » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:40 pm

Fschmidt is hopelessly bluepill.To me joining a religion I don't Believe in,or limiting my access to Technology just for a wife is not worth it.to some it is.go for it.

I don't Believe in religion,I've studied every religion with a rational criticism,and I have found Strong Atheism to be the unpleasant truth,and Nihilism the reality of the cosmos.I've studied quantum physics.I've studied Hebrew,Arabic,and even a little Greek.I've done my research.

The only Religion I could join for that model is a atheistic one like buddhism,Taoism,Confucianism but even that I find utter bullshit.

as for mechanization:is a Traditional wife worth economic stagnation?that question is hard.While I am far from Greedy,I do want to live a quality life on my only life on earth.

again this is a hard question with no real answer.there is no correct answer to this.its all subjective.
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Postby The_Adventurer » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:05 pm

People are completely forgetting the value of a strong family. Even with all the tablets, phones and other gadgets, if the people live in a good family environment, there are some protections. You can add to that the Asia concept of "face".

In a place like China or Korea, among other Asian nations, even with great tech, two families join in a marriage, and the couple will likely live with one set of parents. Sometimes even a grandparent or two may live there and other relatives are close by and very involved in their lives.

People know what you're up to at all times. They also know that cheating or splitting up affects a lot more people than just the couple. Add to that the severe loss of face that would happen in a divorce and there are many insurances of loyalty.

Granted I am saying this in spite of family education. Most girls I knew in every country I visited, having been raised right, simply wouldn't do that anyway. Still, even if the girl was an opportunistic, hypergamous biyatch, the family ties keep both parties in line.
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Postby fschmidt » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:10 pm

theprimebait wrote:Fschmidt is hopelessly bluepill.

I disagree with you, but at least you understand what I am trying to say. Teal Lantern is hopeless to deal with because he obviously hasn't bothered to read anything I have written and just repeats the same MGTOW bullshit forever.
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Postby Teal Lantern » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:39 pm

fschmidt wrote:
theprimebait wrote:Fschmidt is hopelessly bluepill.

I disagree with you, but at least you understand what I am trying to say. Teal Lantern is hopeless to deal with because he obviously hasn't bothered to read anything I have written and just repeats the same MGTOW bullshit forever.

You mean to say though I've referenced your post-game society essay in the past, I haven't read it?
Well, good luck with the 20 families.
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Postby fschmidt » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:49 pm

Teal Lantern wrote:You mean to say though I've referenced your post-game society essay in the past, I haven't read it?
Well, good luck with the 20 families.

I have given the examples of religious groups that disprove your comments earlier in this thread. This was my whole point in this thread and you just ignored it when responding to me.
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Postby Cornfed » Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:06 pm

Teal Lantern wrote:Figures. This is where traditionalists always lose their shit.
You ask them how their "man up" posture protects you in the unbalanced legal system, they accuse you of rationalizing ....
decadence: behavior that shows low morals and a great love of pleasure, money, fame, etc.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decadence

Other favorite gotos are cowardice, advocating sin, or general irresponsibility.
If Trads sold real estate, they'd call you a punk-a** for not wanting to live in a neighborhood where half the houses get struck by arson.

Your obvious point about not marrying Western females without taking appropriate precautions is well taken, but just giving up and letting your seed be expunged from the Earth just because some scumbags wish it so is somewhat lame. Could we not do better than that? I know of gang members, others who derive unofficial income and such, who have stable, traditional marriages. Should we not strive to do the right thing by our ancestors, potential descendants and the Universe generally by doing the same thing?
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