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Guhji wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 12:31 pm


Dude, what is your problem? Did you try and fail to get into medical school yourself?
No, but you probably failed in life. that's why you're a "guhjee." LOL!! :lol: :lol:

(FYI, if you guys don't know what "guhjee" means in Korean, it means a bum/homeless person.)
House is a resident and he makes what residents make. In the future he will make several hundred K because that's what doctors make.
Several hundred k's? Where did you get that figure from?

Plus he told me that he was a doctor, now he's telling me that he's a resident?

All you do is butt your face into other people's conversation, mocking people, and don't contribute anything good to a conversation.
Just about anywhere in the world that is a very handsome living.
Of course, for a guhjee sekki like yourself.
House has worked hard and made himself into a very successful guy. What is so confusing about this? smh.
I never said that HouseMD is not successful. I was just doubting him about the annual salary figure of a REGULAR internal med doctor. With Obamacare and a lot more health insurance industry regulation, regulard MD's will be making less in the future.

What's so confusing about this? SMH!


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Winston wrote:
December 8th, 2017, 3:43 pm

I told dianne to tell her sister that if she is going to work in america, that its better to be a pharmacist than a nurse. Because a pharmacist has a high salary with shorter working hours and less schooling is required to get licensed as well.
That is true, Winston. Pharmacist makes six figures for annual salary and they have LESS schooling than your average MD who has to not only go to medical school, but also get admitted to a residency program and if they want to specialize in medicine, that means more schooling and more loans to take out.


My friend who is an MD anesthesiologist who makes a lot of money. However, he will have his kids in the future, either pursue pharmacy or even go to P.A. school.

Another nice health care type of field to go into is optometry. No needles and no shots for your patients. LOL!
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Horahngee wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 1:54 pm
Guhji wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 12:31 pm


Dude, what is your problem? Did you try and fail to get into medical school yourself?
No, but you probably failed in life. that's why you're a "guhjee." LOL!! :lol: :lol:

(FYI, if you guys don't know what "guhjee" means in Korean, it means a bum/homeless person.)
House is a resident and he makes what residents make. In the future he will make several hundred K because that's what doctors make.
Several hundred k's? Where did you get that figure from?

Plus he told me that he was a doctor, now he's telling me that he's a resident?

All you do is butt your face into other people's conversation, mocking people, and don't contribute anything good to a conversation.
Just about anywhere in the world that is a very handsome living.
Of course, for a guhjee sekki like yourself.
House has worked hard and made himself into a very successful guy. What is so confusing about this? smh.
I never said that HouseMD is not successful. I was just doubting him about the annual salary figure of a REGULAR internal med doctor. With Obamacare and a lot more health insurance industry regulation, regulard MD's will be making less in the future.

What's so confusing about this? SMH!
Residents are doctors. We've got licenses and everything, and technically I could go out and hang a shingle and start a practice. Without board eligibility, however, I would be limited to mostly prison and IHS work, which caps out at around 120k/year. I've posted a link to an indeed job search that very clearly lists plenty of IM jobs paying 250k+, as well as a salary survey showing the average IM pay well over 200k. I don't know what else to give you.

Obamacare has actually increased salaries, as all it functionally did was increase the percentage of insured patients without touching salaries. It has increased our charting workload due to a bunch of annoying EHR and reporting requirements, but other than that it hasn't been awful.
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Horahngee wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 2:04 pm
Winston wrote:
December 8th, 2017, 3:43 pm

I told dianne to tell her sister that if she is going to work in america, that its better to be a pharmacist than a nurse. Because a pharmacist has a high salary with shorter working hours and less schooling is required to get licensed as well.
That is true, Winston. Pharmacist makes six figures for annual salary and they have LESS schooling than your average MD who has to not only go to medical school, but also get admitted to a residency program and if they want to specialize in medicine, that means more schooling and more loans to take out.


My friend who is an MD anesthesiologist who makes a lot of money. However, he will have his kids in the future, either pursue pharmacy or even go to P.A. school.

Another nice health care type of field to go into is optometry. No needles and no shots for your patients. LOL!
Pharmacy is really saturated right now, as there are way too many graduates being churned out, similar to law school. Read about the pharmacy job crisis, their wages are dropping and opportunities are slim. PA is a reasonable way to go, but at that point you're looking at 5 less years to make 2/5ths the amount a doctor makes, and for three of those years the doctor is pulling in half a PA's salary. If you're patient and a long-term investor medicine makes sense.
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Horahngee wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 1:54 pm
Guhji wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 12:31 pm


Dude, what is your problem? Did you try and fail to get into medical school yourself?
No, but you probably failed in life. that's why you're a "guhjee." LOL!! :lol: :lol:

(FYI, if you guys don't know what "guhjee" means in Korean, it means a bum/homeless person.)
House is a resident and he makes what residents make. In the future he will make several hundred K because that's what doctors make.
Several hundred k's? Where did you get that figure from?

Plus he told me that he was a doctor, now he's telling me that he's a resident?

All you do is butt your face into other people's conversation, mocking people, and don't contribute anything good to a conversation.
Just about anywhere in the world that is a very handsome living.
Of course, for a guhjee sekki like yourself.
House has worked hard and made himself into a very successful guy. What is so confusing about this? smh.
I never said that HouseMD is not successful. I was just doubting him about the annual salary figure of a REGULAR internal med doctor. With Obamacare and a lot more health insurance industry regulation, regulard MD's will be making less in the future.

What's so confusing about this? SMH!
I got the "several hundred k" figure from my friend, who is a family doctor. I live in Chicago, and that's a very good salary here.
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HouseMD wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 2:17 pm

Residents are doctors.
But not FULLY board certified doctors. Plus you residents are considered to be newbies fresh out of medical school so your knowledge is not up there with the more experienced physicians.
We've got licenses and everything, and technically I could go out and hang a shingle and start a practice.
But nobody will want to go to your practice since you are not board certified.

Obamacare has actually increased salaries, as all it functionally did was increase the percentage of insured patients without touching salaries. It has increased our charting workload due to a bunch of annoying EHR and reporting requirements, but other than that it hasn't been awful.
I am not buying that argument. Obamacare and other medicare type of insurance has been SCREWING the system over. I work in a hospital and while I am not within the administration division/department, I do know that these stupid insurances are short-changing a lot of the hospitals and even providers (i.e physicians like yourself!) by reimbursing them LESS than what they should actually be paid for.

Good luck with your residency. :D
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Guhji wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 2:44 pm


I got the "several hundred k" figure from my friend, who is a family doctor.
Oh wow, a friend is a good resource as to how much an average family doctor's income is?? :roll:

Family doctor's make around $150,000-$180,000 AFTER TAX, per year.

You know, you guys make all these numbers up, do NOT even take into consideration of the freaking tax (i.e. medicare, federal, state income tax, etc...) that is deducted from one's paycheck.

I live in Chicago, and that's a very good salary here.
Okay fine,....he probably makes more for his annual salary for his family practice because he lives in a large city, Chicago, where cost of living is expensive. But that's to cover cost of living expenses. If he were to have his family practice out in the boonies, his annual salary as a family doctor will be less than the 'several hundre k" figure that youre friend is harping at you.
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Horahngee wrote:
August 7th, 2018, 1:17 am
HouseMD wrote:
August 6th, 2018, 2:17 pm

Residents are doctors.
But not FULLY board certified doctors. Plus you residents are considered to be newbies fresh out of medical school so your knowledge is not up there with the more experienced physicians.
We've got licenses and everything, and technically I could go out and hang a shingle and start a practice.
But nobody will want to go to your practice since you are not board certified.

Obamacare has actually increased salaries, as all it functionally did was increase the percentage of insured patients without touching salaries. It has increased our charting workload due to a bunch of annoying EHR and reporting requirements, but other than that it hasn't been awful.
I am not buying that argument. Obamacare and other medicare type of insurance has been SCREWING the system over. I work in a hospital and while I am not within the administration division/department, I do know that these stupid insurances are short-changing a lot of the hospitals and even providers (i.e physicians like yourself!) by reimbursing them LESS than what they should actually be paid for.

Good luck with your residency. :D
It depends on your specialty. Hospitals are taking hits from 30 day readmits. Specialists are taking hits from certain procedural cuts. Office based outpatient, the majority of care, has seen increased reimbursement, however. Again, look at physician salary trends.

And no one reports their after tax earnings when asked how much they make, they report their salary. There are a lot of ways to game taxes as a doctor (SEP IRAs, equipment depreciation deductions, deductions for your car, etc). Self employed and partner physicians, as well as employed 1099 physicians, can easily get taxes down to about 15% using the same strategies any other wealthy individual does.
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