Welcome to our new upgraded phpbb 3.2 forum! The upgrade is now complete. See announcement and new features here, or report any problems or issues here. Thanks for your patience.
Join John Adams, world renowned Intl Matchmaker, Monday nights 8:30 EST for Live Webcasts!
And check out Five Reasons why you should attend a FREE AFA Seminar! See locations and dates here.
View Active Topics View Your Posts Latest 100 Topics FAQ Topics
Discuss and talk about any general topic.
Here in Los Angeles, if you have Kaiser medical insurance, you can get "drive through" flu shots for free. Just drive up, get the shot, and drive off.
If you didn't have an insurance carrier that offered free flu shots, it costs about $30 at local drug stores (CVS, Wallgreens, Rite Aid, etc).
Vaccines are not 100% safe (or effective), if that's your unrealistic expectation, then don't get vaccinated. H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine, for example, is said to have 2 in 1 million (0.000002%) risk for Guillain-BarrÃ© Syndrome (GBS).
I have not taken flu shots for over 10 years. I've felt much better as a result. No one knows what's really in those vaccines. The local CVS offers them for free, and even pays you in coupons to take them(at one point, they even offered clients $10 for one month). I've even pondered taking the offer, but my health is not worth the $10.
The TV sitcom Scrubs pretty much describes WHY they want you in the hospital and the medical industry's agenda - it generates a shitload of effective slaves and incredible revenue and the best part is, they get people to intentionally damage/kill you(there are NO real solutions in the hospital, it's all a trick). The suits at the top basically get others to butcher people, but they get paid millions.
So why would they offer you a free prevention pass from an illness that could land you in the hospital every year? That doesn't make any sense now, does it?
Last edited by C.J. on February 26th, 2014, 2:13 am, edited 1 time in total.
Personally I haven't gotten vaccinated in the past, mostly because there was a study showing that people who had broader exposure to natural flu viruses had a more robust immune response to pandemic flu than those who had only been vaccinated. In the future I have to though, required at a lot of hospitals I'm going to rotate at.
The vast majority of GBS I see is from actual flu rather than the vaccine. Back at Big Med, we would get perhaps a dozen cases of severe GBS a year, not once was one vaccine induced that I can recall. It does and can happen though. You're fad more likely to get GBS or die from the flu than from the vaccine.
First of all, it was a PHYSICIAN that mentioned that a rectal exam (however long it takes) does not indicate a spinal injury. This as an imposed situation is, again, an attack. You glossed right over that with what I said about women, as well. I guess you figure iatrogenic attack is okay? Oh, and the guy in that case was actively wrestling with five of them when they did this- I guess that's evidene that his spine worked fine. Something doesn't have to be useless to be a problem, anyway. Someone can refuse medical treatment even if it's something that will result in their death. Starting someone on chemo "just in case" is not acceptable conduct, even though it might be useful "just in the nick of time." Possible utility does not give the doctor "ammo" against the patient. Your rights of bodily autonomy & inviolability are not abrogated or cancelled in an emergency situation, whether in a medical setting or not. Something is not non-antagonistic as long as it's somehow attached to "potentially life-saving endeavors."
I guess grievous harm to someone is something you think is beneath the concerns of medical personnel? You just don't have time to worry about such trivial matters as assaultive properties, eh? After all, the quality of the situation has nothing to do with you people. Neither is damage to someone's health, right? You are not expected to fix every problem someone may have in their life, but you damn sure are expected to NOT add to them. I'd say abuse of any form does that! Reality doesn't take a coffee break for doctors.
I think I speak for people, in general, when I say I don't want someone, man or woman, self-electively probing me in any situation. I'd kill someone for trying it in prison. I'd kill someone for trying it on someone I cared about (or, in truth, just didn't hate to that extent). A situation of that nature as a product of someone else's decision-making is an attack. Someone shouldn't have to worry about getting attacked, sexually or otherwise, in a medical setting. Since both happens & neither is a pertinent concern of medical staff, maybe they should worry about just like in any other kidnapping.
Hey, if someone forgets to put a stopper in a morphine drip that the patient didn't want, does it still make them retarded? What about complications in a C-section that was imposed by the medical personnel? Still damaging to someone's health? Maybe brain damage at birth because of "a little something" injected into the mother? It really doesn't have to be the perverted stuff, but I've noticed doctors try quite a bit of that & act like it's innocent. I guess it's "retarded" to think compositionally? Maybe that's just what someone arrogant in the extreme would say?
I don't actually read your posts thoroughly because they are too crazy to be taken seriously. If a woman doesn't want a pelvic exam, she can find a doctor that won't require one. That is her choice. If she chooses to see a doctor that does perform them, she had made her choice. That is procedural consent, not an attack. As to DREs, I can't say whether it was merited or not because I do not know his mechanism of injury. He could have flipped his car going 95 down the highway (appropriate) or he could have bumped his head on a pipe in his basement (completely inappropriate). If it was inappropriate, then it was and the physicians should be held accountable. I was saying that MOST of the time they are appropriate. We only do them in serious traumas. They have a specificity of around 60% for spinal cord injury and over 98% for bowel injury. It's a good test in serious trauma patients. Here's an article on situations that merit it:
http://lifeinthefastlane.com/education/ ... in-trauma/
And medicine isn't a sexual thing. You really have no idea how much we dread pelvic exams, rectal exams, etc. There is a reason we leave nurses to do digital disimpactions and don't insert urinary catheters or rectal tubes ourselves, and many physicians have PAs or NPs do their Pap smears. The human body is pretty damn disgusting, and we don't like touching any part of it any more than we have to. There was a thread recently on SDN about how a guy's girlfriend didn't want him doing pelvic exams because she was jealous, if you want to know how we feel about it that would be the place to look. Medicine takes the mystery away from much of the human body. Patients are viewed at a great distance, as collections of signs of health and disease. You don't see people the same anymore, it is really hard to describe. Like, when I see a woman for the first time at the bar, I have trouble even noticing how attractive she is. I'm too busy noticing the whites of her eyes, the curve of her nails and their lanulae, whether her hands shake as she reached for her drink, whether the veins in her neck bulge abnormally, and the color of her tongue, among other things. The world becomes a much less sexy place when you see it through a lens of disease, honestly it kind of sucks sometimes.
Kind of weird that you sexualize everything though. There's a good chance that makes you either someone who was sexually abused or someone with some weird or pervy sex issues. Either that or you have seen so few vaginas that you can't imagine a person possibly seeing one and have it not be sexual. Whatever, man. All I know is I probably wouldn't want to look at your browser history.
Anyway, if you want to understand many of the terrible things about medicine, read The House of God. It was written by a man who actually was pretty terrible, in a time when doctors got away with a lot more shit than they do today. Things are much more v tame in the asexual, super professional, sterile post-feminism hospitals than they were back then.
I no longer trust ANY employee working for the medical industry. I just can't fathom someone spending many years and thousands of dollars, JUST for the fantasy that they believe they're actually helping people and earning good money doing it! All the while, they're executing people.
If I ever see such a dumbass again, I'm gonna twist them in a knot.
Compare the mortality rates of countries with no functioning medical system with the United States and get back to me when you find one with a better life expectancy or lower rates of disease. Take some herbal supplements next time you get appendicitis, some tea for that bacterial pneumonia, and walk off that stroke. Hip fracture? Not a problem my friend, you don't need a doctor, they are bullshit! Gunshot wound? Walk it off! Your diabetic leg has gone septic? Use some aloe vera! Got diabetes? Don't use insulin, that stuff is for pussies!
The majority of disease is lifestyle induced. Obesity, stroke, heart disease, cancer, sexually transmitted disease, liver failure, diabetes- people do this stuff to themselves and then get pissed that medicine can't fix them. Stop smoking and drinking, don't sleep around, eat a healthy diet that isn't full of processed crap, work out, and don't do dangerous or stupid things and you probably won't need a doctor for most of your life. More than 2/3 of disease is completely preventable crap that people do to themselves.
Well, if she doesn't want one that's not for the doctor to argue. If she says that's not how the situation is going to go, that forms the doctor's behavior as such. When this occurs, she didn't arrange the situation in this way- the doctor did. The patient sets the agenda & they reform things at their own discretion. If she decides to cut something out of the situation, that's the end of it. Her body, her rules.
It's not always as easy said as done to just find a different doctor & the patient doesn't need to compensate for the doctor's misbehavior, anyway. They don't need to spend time, effort, and gas money to hunt for a doctor that doesn't try to back them into a corner. The hassel of rearranging things with insurance is bad enough. Also, where doesn the medical profession get off charging so much for their products & services? Even if they worked as advertised, they are way off-base to charge people the amount that they do.
"Medicine isn't a sexual thing"? Bullshit. And you say MY posts are crazy? There's plenty of pervy medical personnel & there's all kinds of gratification. Are you trying to say when someone gets nailed for having cameras in the exam room & videos of 50-100 patients at his house that's a baseless lawsuit? What about cases where someone is coming out of anesthesia & wakes up to someone's hand down their pants? They don't deserve to get nailed for that? How about if someone snatches someone else up & "plays doctor" on them? That's an issue, because of what it consists of- not the overt nature of it.
I sexualize everything? Only the stuff that runs in a creepy direction, pal . It is what it is & that's a running theme in medicine. I happen to know a bit about that because of having people close to me that have had bad shit happen to them & not everything that happened was officially considered an issue. I have issues for taking exception to attacks of that nature, whether they're subtle or not? Yeah, I guess I shouldn't judge character based on that or anything else, huh? My browsing history is pretty normal. To be honest, the whole role-playing thing gets me thinking a bit too literally nowadays. Wonder why? Must just be that I'm weird. Oh, before I forget: Isn't there porn based on medical themes? Wonder what the carry-over is? You're so much more intelligent than everyone else, maybe you can tell me?
I seem to remember mentioning a few times that it doesn't have to run down those lines. I notice you jumped right past my mentioning morphine drips & birth injuries. Any particular reason for that? What about overtreatment? Notice you don't consider that an issue. I notice doctors don't take issue with being used by the evil insurance companies to make a profit off of people's suffering. You don't seem very interested in an overhaul in that area, though. Doctors seem pretty adamant in their choices (at least when they're imposing them on someone), I wonder why they aren't making a choice that they won't do these things?
By-the-way: There's no places with better life expectancy or lower rates of disease than America? Or is it just that you don't want to compare with places that do things more effectively? These things that you say people do to themselves comes from medicine, itself, plenty often. I've already mentioned heart disease from hysterectomies. What about diabetes from SSRI drugs (antidepressants)? Doesn't that cause heart disease AND cancer? All that "processed crap" seems to be held in fairly safe regard by medical personnel- same with GMOs. I figure having to filter out drugs that are prescribed for bullshit reasons contributes to liver failure. Not as much time or energy to work out if you're always working to pay off medical bills.
You have this "nobody knows the troubles I've seen" attitude, but you obviously don't give a shit about people's problems- since when they're caused by medical actions, you defend them. Someone that's too arrogant to catch their own mistakes is incompetant. Someone that deliberately attacks someone is not even making a mistake. They are engaging in hostilities. They've also spent thousands of dollars & several years to learn how to do it.
There's some pervs in every profession, because, get this, a small fraction of any group are perverts.
I was talking to CJ with my comment about finding a place with no medical care- he's the one that said he was never going near a doctor again because all we do is kill people, so I told him to look at places without doctors. The only countries that perform better than us in health outcomes are those with socialized medicine. All nearly two dozen of them. A large reason for this is that we have the highest rates of preventable disease in the world, making it a miracle or average life expected are what they are. If you only factor in people with health insurance, or outcomes are as good as any European nation by the way. But b If you want socialized medicine and the government taxing you to all hell for health care so we can be up there with Canada in outcomes, be my guest. I wouldn't mind the Canadian system, personally.
Physicians didn't okay GMOs not do we take a stance on any of the crap you eat. We don't run the USDA. That is outside of our realm. Google "physician GMOs" and you will find the vast majority of us disapprove if them. The diets often most recommended by physicians are the DASH diet (which had great results but many of us believe to be flawed), the Mediterranean diet, and a vegetarian diet. I don't care to get into the merits of each, that would take pages. In any case, we disapprove of the vast majority of processed and prepared foods but can't compete against multi-billion dollar marketing efforts of multinational corporations to sell you food that kills you. We're powerless to stop people from killing themselves.
Each profession in medicine is separate. Blaming all of medicine for the current highly disagreeable state of psychiatry is like blaming every brick mason, carpenter, pipefitter, welder, and roofer that has worked on your home for the terrible electrical work your electrician did. We have no say in psychiatric treatment protocols or standard practices. FPs generally have no clue when it comes to psychiatry so they offer mess to their patients that can't afford proper psychiatric services because that's what they are told is best and they are out of their element. Personally I disagree with the way we currently handle mental illness, but there is a big push in the younger generation to move back to a more counseling and CBT based model of care. Hysterectomies are also outside the realm of 99% of physician's area of practice. It is a subject about which there is much debate, my bet is it will disappear in the future.
What it really bills down to is medicine isn't perfect, we do make mistakes, and it's a constantly evolving process. The modern practice of medicine in its current form had really only existed for around one hundred years to one hundred and fifty years, depending on your definition of modern medicine. We've done a lot wrong and many of today's practices will certainly be proven wrong in the future, but in average, modern medicine has added decades to people's lives over the last hundred and fourteen years. And we'll keep getting better at it, but we will certainly m make mistakes along the way, because mastering the intricacies of the human body is likely an endeavor that will take centuries.
If my response is incomplete, it's because I didn't read most of your post. Anything that makes me eye-roll because it is too opinionated without offering hard evidence results in my skipping to the next paragraph. I don't give a damn about opinions, only facts.
Here is the deal. You don't tell me how to do my job. I tell you the way in which I practice medicine and those are the terms by which I agree to work. If you do not like how I practice medicine, you find a new doctor. The reason for this is simple- physicians went to medical school, saw tens of thousands of patients, and have the knowledge and experience to determine how best medicine should be practiced. You don't hire an electrician with a couple decades of experience and then tell him he's doing it all wrong and you saw this guide to wiring on the internet he should be following. He'd walk the f**k out and tell you to hire someone else because that is how skilled professionals operate. We are skilled. We are professionals. You hire us for our skills, not to tell us what to do. If you don't like the skills that a particular physician provides, hire a new one, just as you would a plumber or lawyer. You wouldn't tell either of the others how to do their job, you would just move right along. Yet people feel entitled to our services for some reason, while simultaneously not respecting them.
I was selective with the vaccines offered to my baby. I gave my little one the 6 I got when I was a toddler in the 80's. I don't intened to do any more vaccines. It's a hard choice but I believe I'm doing the right thing by being selective & not jusy taking what is given.
Courts Rule MMR Vaccines caused Autism & Brain damage> http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... in-damage/
Common Ingredients in Licensed Vaccines> http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccin ... 187810.htm
- It's easy to give, when you know what it's like to have nothing. -
- Develop a backbone, not a wishbone. -
We are not your servants. You do not choose how much you should pay your mechanic, your plumber, your lawyer, or your electrician, yet, strangely, physicians are the only profession that are essentially told by insurance companies what they will be paid. The average FP clears about 150k a year after expenses, working around 55 hours a week. If you were working by the hour at a job that provided OT, that amounts to about 46 dollars an hour, less than half what most plumbers or mechanics charge. We don't make nearly as much money as most people think. Worse still, the average physician finishes training at 32, with grads having a quarter of a million dollars in debt at the start of residency and 300k by the end of it. I'll end residency with 400k of debt, as I don't have wealthy parents to help me out and my school does not provide scholarships. With that debt and time considered, I won't beat the average engineer, who had 8 years in schooling and at least a quarter million less in debt, until I am 56 years old. Yeah. Totally lavish being a doctor so I can enjoy working till I'm 56 just to break even with people with bachelor's degrees, or never even catching up to those with MBAs.
We only keep a fraction of what we bill, most of it goes to overhead- staff, facilities, equipment, and regulatory compliance. Your teen minute visit has another 20 of paperwork, so you're really getting a half hour of the doctor's time. That medical assistant costs 15 bucks an hour plus benefits, the nurse another 30, a biller/coder runs another 20 an hour to process your visit, facilities around 10k a month, etc. Sk your hundred dollar office visit usually nets the doctor himself about 25 bucks. Cash money, woo!
People are kept alive longer, in the same(unlikely) or worse shape than going in. I don't see anything but profits in that. In the grand scheme of things, medical staff aren't doing the patient any favors. They're better off telling them to stop doing stupid stuff, list the consequences and send them on their way. People who're repeat offenders will eventually kill themselves. That's how nature works. Money is being made on trying to fix what ain't broke. Sadly, most of it doesn't go to the people who do most of the leg work.
The worthlessness of the medical industry and the human condition in a nutshell. However, many health problems are the result of satanist lab rats concocting various ailments, or from various chemicals being dumped. Without them spiking the punch, humans are actually pretty durable.
There is this thing called ethics that prevents us from letting people die for being stupid.
Eat well, be monogamous, don't give in to vices, and work out and you will live a long, healthy, happy life.
The whole satanist thing is laughable btw. Godless or nihilistic would be more accurate.
One can argue, that it's a technically flawed human concept, which is historically recent.
Satanists are humans, who've given their souls to the Gods they worship in exchange for power over their fellow man. They're called this, for their proximity in association to that figure. They are more religious than those who practice any religion, they're more God-fearing than those who claim to fear God, worship a God moreso than those who claim to worship, are more productive than those who claim to work hard and value their health, wealth and satisfaction more than hedonists. Their actions are based on their thirst for power and dominance, and the means to those ends - nothing more, nothing less.
Those who cannot see them, are those who cannot defy them... those people, the common people, are but mere insects to these adepts. Which is why human lives are purposely taken at the blink of an eye in most current events. Why most will continue to suffer while faced with a cold shoulder from the industries they rely on after their money is taken.