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The Happier Abroad Window

Postby Cornfed » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:19 am

Much like game, going abroad is a solution that may work for some men in the short term, but will ultimately expire. Western men will become impoverished and lack status due to the economic decline of the West, many other places will become feminized and their females turned into hateful sluts like Western females, career and business opportunities for Western men in the rest of the world will dry up due to locals being trained to fill those places and as the global economy collapses a lot of places will become more hostile and dangerous to Western men and mixed couples than they already are. I doubt whether going abroad, at least as individuals, will be a viable option in a few year’s time. Probably we should be thinking about other options like forming free colonies or whatever.
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Re: The Happier Abroad Window

Postby Rock » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:22 am

Cornfed wrote:Much like game, going abroad is a solution that may work for some men in the short term, but will ultimately expire. Western men will become impoverished and lack status due to the economic decline of the West, many other places will become feminized and their females turned into hateful sluts like Western females, career and business opportunities for Western men in the rest of the world will dry up due to locals being trained to fill those places and as the global economy collapses a lot of places will become more hostile and dangerous to Western men and mixed couples than they already are. I doubt whether going abroad, at least as individuals, will be a viable option in a few year’s time. Probably we should be thinking about other options like forming free colonies or whatever.


I can't see it happening that fast. As time passes, guys will just have to dig deeper to get full HA dating arbitrage. There are still plenty of places with barriers to entry which keep the masses at bay. Yes, it will require a lot more will, tolerance for non-western style amenities, and/or funds to carve out a life in an African backwater than say Thailand or Colombia. Likewise, certain pockets of Middle East or pockets of FSU still might be viable options for guys who are willing and able to overcome the high religious, knowledge, and language barriers inherent in such places. It's those very barriers which help make them resistant to being corrupted.

So material dating arbitrage overseas will require a lot more effort and resources than it did in past. That's still fine for those willing to put in the long-term work and will keep the rest away. Anything too easy is bound not to last. High profit markets with low barriers to entry tend not to be durable.
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Postby Banano » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:58 am

I cant think of any country in middle east with good dating scene from mens perspective, if you can pick up in middle east you'll be fine anywhere you go.

Another issue with many 3rd and 2nd world places is that cost of living is very high even if average salaries are low.

How do we reverse spreading of western virus? Right now we are just running away but day will come when there will be nowhere to run with our backs against the wall. Ukraine will be next in line, if pro-western government wins withing 5 years it will become like CZ rep and Croatia, very tough place for Joe average to pull anything decent.
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Postby publicduende » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:00 am

This might be a solution.

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Postby SilverEnergy » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:06 pm

More excuses.

Instead of worrying about what bad can happen, why haven't you found a quality woman when tens of millions of quality women exist outside of America?

The whole world isn't going to become "feminized" in a few years, it's going to take 2-3 decades for that to happen.

You can find a quality woman, if you can't, it's YOUR fault.

Why can't you improve your life to the point where women will WANT to be with you?
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Postby Cornfed » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:33 pm

SilverEnergy wrote:More excuses.

Try not to project your own feelings of inadequacy onto others. Most people here do not have anything to excuse and simply state facts.

You can find a quality woman, if you can't, it's YOUR fault.

In the three years or so I spent in Asia I met several quality females. I didn't marry any of them because the job I was doing, English teaching, is no longer stable for the reasons given in the OP, and it would be downright irresponsible to marry without knowing whether you could support or even live with your bride. On the face of it, I don't think that I'm personally responsible for the state of the English teaching industry.

Why can't you improve your life to the point where women will WANT to be with you?

Because females in the West won't stay married to anyone and are worthless sluts who want to be with stupid assholes, and there are a lack of stable economic opportunities for Western men in the rest of the world.
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Postby ChampionKaji » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:18 pm

Very true. It also depends on your race, your features (the same media that benefits white men has hurt them to an extent, since women are beginning to demand that the white guys actually look like how they do in movies rather than being the typical pot-bellied expat), and other factors.

I'd still say that if you're not Black, you can have a great time in East Asia though, at least while it lasts. If I were not Black, I'd do a "reverse green card" and marry a Japanese woman for citizenship, then start a business out there. Money would come in. Taiwan would be even better since money goes farther there and white supremacy is deeper there than in Japan, but Taiwanese women are not as supportive from what I've heard.
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Postby fschmidt » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:01 pm

The window is already half-closed. I don't think anything dramatic will happen in a few years, I just think the window will continue closing at its current pace. Those who go abroad today for the first time are very impressed by how much better it is. But I went abroad 25 years ago, to Mexico, and I can tell you that no country today even approaches how good Mexico was at that time. 25 years ago, there was no world culture or world food. Mexican women often wore traditional clothes that is unimaginable today. They ate a traditional diet that made them all physically attractive. The plague of globalization had not yet arrived. Today the world is becoming more corrupt and feminist, and the median income in wealthy countries is declining. Things will continue to get worse. The only question is where your threshold is. When that threshold is crossed, it is time to start considering other options as Cornfed mentioned. My threshold was crossed years ago.
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Postby Jester » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:58 pm

ChampionKaji wrote: If I were not Black, I'd do a "reverse green card" and marry a Japanese woman for citizenship, then start a business out there. Money would come in.


Brilliant idea.

That might be one country where green card marriage would be a reasonable step.
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Postby Jester » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:00 pm

Cornfed wrote:In the three years or so I spent in Asia I met several quality females.


Were they Korean?
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Re: The Happier Abroad Window

Postby Jester » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:14 pm

Cornfed wrote:Probably we should be thinking about other options like forming free colonies or whatever.


Many South Africans have fled, but many have stayed, including those in this "free colony":
http://www.orania.co.za/

OTOH, all these people are united by a clear cultural bond - Afrikaans language and Afrikaner history. It seems to hard imagine that in the U.S., outside of the Confederate flaggers in the South.

BUT - if we go abroad - we are ALL gaijin, or gringos, or whatever. Being in a foreign environment helps a colony thrive. Like Orania in South Africa, or Armenians in Lebanon or Syria. Culture seems to be preserved, and communities seem to thrive, when living together in a situation where they "stand out".

In the Orient, I could see this working in Malaysia, but residency there would be challenging for some.

The Philippines seems like it wants to BE the colony for expating Yanks.

But overall, it seems like Latin America has a history of accepting diversity - from Japanese in Brazil and Peru, to Mennonites in Paraguay, to Mormons in Mexico.

I guess this was in my thinking when I made my recent baby-step across the border into Mexico.

So I guess all that was a long way of saying, why does expating have to be separate from forming a "colony"?

Seems like the colony makes it easier for followers to expat, and the expat location makes it easier for a colony to stick together and help each other.

Your thoughts?
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Re: The Happier Abroad Window

Postby Teal Lantern » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:42 pm

Cornfed wrote:Much like game, going abroad is a solution that may work for some men in the short term, but will ultimately expire. Western men will become impoverished and lack status due to the economic decline of the West, many other places will become feminized and their females turned into hateful sluts like Western females, career and business opportunities for Western men in the rest of the world will dry up due to locals being trained to fill those places and as the global economy collapses a lot of places will become more hostile and dangerous to Western men and mixed couples than they already are. I doubt whether going abroad, at least as individuals, will be a viable option in a few year’s time. Probably we should be thinking about other options like forming free colonies or whatever.

This is already happening to some degree, e.g. redoubt, local currency options, and saving on meat costs by cow sharing.
For whatever remains of the middle class, in the next decade, "debt-free homestead" may be all the status you need to get a wife (and President Hillary may assign you one, anyway, because, you know, "it takes a village ..." :razz: )
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Postby Winston » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:23 am

Even if the dating scene gets harder overseas, people overseas will probably still be more social and warm than in the US. No one culture can take over the world. When Rome tried to take over the world, many tribes and peoples resisted. There is always resistance.

The following observations of people in the US vs. abroad will still most likely be true.

“Dear Winston,
A late good friend of mine from Peru used to tell me "Americans are friendly but not your friend". He observed how in the U.S. one could work for years in a company and never be invited to a co-workers home. This was far different from Peru where people frequently visited each others homes and were very social outside of work. I found this intriguing. As you have said each society has its pluses and minuses. Hope you enjoy this. Take care.â€￾


And an East Indian friend of mine concurred, saying:

“Yes, very. I agree with your late peruvian friend in that I've found for the most part, most American's have a friendly manner that may or may not reflect how they really feel.

So someone coming here from another country (say India ) would think they're the friendliest people in the world. I thought that too, when I walked out on the streets on my first day in the US and had total strangers smiling at me and saying "Hello, How do you do".....but I quickly realized that they were just 'being nice' and had no earthly interest in hearing my answer.

In India, it is rather different - people aren't as quick to smile and say hi, but they are much more likely to invite you home, or do other things that help cement friendships quicker than I've seen happen here in the US. I know that's generalizing, and I'm not an expert on cultural phenomena by any means, but there definitely is a discernable difference.

Just my .02â€￾
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Re: The Happier Abroad Window

Postby Jester » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:55 am

Teal Lantern wrote:This is already happening to some degree, e.g. redoubt, local currency options, and saving on meat costs by cow sharing.
For whatever remains of the middle class, in the next decade, "debt-free homestead" may be all the status you need to get a wife (and President Hillary may assign you one, anyway, because, you know, "it takes a village ..." :razz: )
TPTB can create all the EBT credits they want, but they can't push a button and create real food, goods, and services.
If you have more brawn than brain, there'll be plenty of work installing (and being) security hardware.
Gated communities may have actual working gates.


I think EuroBrat, no longer posting here, had been in the security door and security system business, and had done well. Yes, it should be a good field, more and more.

Debt-free homestead in a Kalispell redoubt... I am practically gagging with anger... my family sold the last 150 acre intact farm on the Whitefish River... just outside Kalispell... my wife and I opposed the sale but had no voice, no money... grandparents' nursing home had to be paid... noone lived on the farm... no real jobs up there at the time... land hadnt been given to our generation, even enough for a house... a couple of us cousins would have moved there... as it is, money was dissipated over the years... now no farm, no refuge...
{shaking head}

The local currency thing is a great article, thanks... it's an idea to propagate... I love that it excludes corporate chains...
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Postby Bao3niang » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:02 am

Free colonies? What do you mean by those?


Imagine a map of the future where most of the world is colored red, representing toxic dating scenes and social life. The blue areas represent the few remaining good countries/regions. What could happen is that rich old men from the red areas will invade the blue areas in packs like a mass exodus in order to find a good place and a wife/girlfriend.

If I were the leader of a blue country, I would use all measures necessary to defend it against the capitalist virus. If a plane carrying sex tourists from a red area went within 200km of my airspace, I'd welcome them with a salvo of SAMs.
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