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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby momopi » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:51 pm

Cornfed wrote:An incorporated company operates under government charter and, in exchange for special protections such as limited liability, is supposed to serve the public interest. Historically, corporations were created for worthy public projects such as constructing canals and were subsequently wound up when the project was completed. There is nothing left-wing about this, apart from perhaps the granting by the government of a corporate charter in the first place. Moreover, to do business companies are ultimately dependent on natural resources which are the common heritage of the rightful citizens of the host country.


A corporation is a public or private entity, generally free of government direction or control (within legal limits), operating from the basis of self-interest and competition. Corporations have not been limited to the resources or labor of its nation-State of origin since Roman times. At work today, we manage heavy industry contractors and operators around the world, including Europe, Africa, Australia, China, etc. The majority of our business is outside the US.



Cornfed wrote:Clearly modern corporations serve neither the public nor shareholders, but exist simply to enrich a tiny parasitical (and largely hereditary) elite, and have secured all manner of unwarranted advantages over others via alliances with corrupt regulators and the banking system to allow them to do this. You seem to think this is a good thing, that the elite are the rightful owners and proprietors of all a nation's resources and that if ordinary citizens being replaced by foreigners and starving to death allows some CEO to do another line of cocaine or hire another hooker, then this is just fine. Why is it in our interests to see it this way? In the movie Braveheart the Wallace character says "You [the elite] think that the people of Scotland exist to secure your position, but I think your position exists to secure their freedom". Why is this not a more profitable way to see it?
Of course as essentially an itinerant foreign laborer and effective corporate ward, you perhaps would be justified as viewing yourself as having no rights and existing at GovCorp's sufferance, buy why should others see themselves like that? What is the payoff?


Feel free to give your business to credit unions, worker cooperatives, and non-profits. I'm not entitled to a payoff, neither are you.

When man used barter for goods and services, there was a limit to the accumulation of wealth, as livestock, perishable goods, and even durable goods will die, spoil, or degrade over time. The invention of currency allowed near unlimited (for practical purposes) accumulation of wealth, as money do not spoil or decay, except for loss in value through inflation. If you want to blame the banking system for creation and maintenance of elites, then feel free to direct your blame at creators of coinage from the late Bronze age.






...and before anyone start complaining "where would you find worker cooperatives to buy necessities", those who reside in Los Angeles area can shop at Winco (open 24 HRS). If you live elsewhere, I do not live in your town and you should do your own homework.

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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Moretorque » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:14 am

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momopi wrote:As a 1.5 gen immigrant from Taiwan, the American Government is under no obligation to protect my family's economic status. If I or my descendants (in the future) were to slack off, I expect the government to import labor from India or another country to replace me.

Agreed. In fact it was an outrageous act of treason for you to be imported in the first place. Surely there were Americans who could have bought hippy tea and participated in Nerf gun battles, or more could have been bred and trained to do so.

Tell me, you say if you slack off (more so) that it would be OK to replace you with other foreigners. Who is to do the replacing and for whose benefit? Suppose natural-born Americans wanted to start their Nerf gun battles at 3.00 rather than 4.00. If that were the majority opinion, why should the economy not be structured around it? If the people at the top disagree with it, why should they not be replaced?

I'm really interested in your take on this. You seem to have the mentality of your typical plantation nigger, which is probably why the scumbags at the top prefer you to a real American.


Cornfed I hate to admit it but I LOVE YOU MAN :D , he tells it the way it is with no punches held. This is why western civilization is being over run by bad immigration policies which are being done on purpose.
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Postby Moretorque » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:17 am

ladislav wrote:Shall we agree that availability of opportunities is a relative term then? For example , America clearly has more opportunities to advance than Somalia or the run-away republic of Transnistria. It has more opportunities than Gaza. Would you agree with it?

Would you agree that a stateless Palestinian stuck in Gaza with phosphorus bombs falling on his head has fewer opportunities there to set up a successful business than in Akron, OH where such Palestinians get 1) US citizenship in several years 2) loans and grants to go to school 3) SBA loans up to 6 million dollars to start a business.

Do you agree now? I think you would.

Now, will Americans have better prospects than, say, Kuwaitis for a better life? No! Compared to Kuwait, it's not as good. How about Qatar? the UAE? No way! Can't even compare.

Will Americans have better chance of a future than Luxemburgians? Or Norwegians? Probably not.

So, America is a land of (greater than some other specified place) opportunities. This is why you don't see many Qataris or Luxemburgians cross the River Grande at night.


The only way for advancement now is to suck the ass of the credit monopoly mafia or the corps they control,
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Cornfed » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:50 pm

momopi wrote:A corporation is a public or private entity, generally free of government direction or control (within legal limits), operating from the basis of self-interest and competition. Corporations have not been limited to the resources or labor of its nation-State of origin since Roman times.

You have simply restated your position, which is not the historical or legal position, without giving any supporting argument. What is the justification for this Banana Republic model of resource distribution? Suppose you were to meet people of people from a largely racially homogenous society where most property was held by individuals or by the state for public use and where the system was set up so the average man could earn a decent wage and had good working conditions, and so as a result crime was low and families were stable, and where the CEOs of the few major corporations would earn about 10 times as much as a rank and file worker, rather than hundreds of times as much. Somewhere like most Western colony countries in the 50s and 60s. How would you go about convincing such people that they had got it all wrong and that in fact all the resources they thought were theirs rightfully belonged to a tiny parasitical elite and whichever dysgenics they chose to hire on a given day, and that ordinary citizens only had the right to earn a living or survive at all at the elite's sufferance? Surely you would have to convince them to become complete masochists.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Cornfed » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:56 pm

momopi wrote:When man used barter for goods and services, there was a limit to the accumulation of wealth, as livestock, perishable goods, and even durable goods will die, spoil, or degrade over time. The invention of currency allowed near unlimited (for practical purposes) accumulation of wealth, as money do not spoil or decay, except for loss in value through inflation. If you want to blame the banking system for creation and maintenance of elites, then feel free to direct your blame at creators of coinage from the late Bronze age.

It is true that any scarce-issue currency system will lead to the creation of parasitical elites. The idea in the past was to either not have such a system or to mitigate it with debt relief, regulating the business practices of companies and such like. Now the West seems hellbent on making Marx' predictions come true by letting wealth distribution become so unbalanced that the whole system collapses.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Devil Dog » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:07 am

Cornfed wrote:
momopi wrote:Now the West seems hellbent on making Marx' predictions come true by letting wealth distribution become so unbalanced that the whole system collapses.


You will still be in the bottom 10% after system collapse. But the bottom will be much lower then.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby momopi » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:45 am

Moretorque wrote: Cornfed I hate to admit it but I LOVE YOU MAN :D , he tells it the way it is with no punches held. This is why western civilization is being over run by bad immigration policies which are being done on purpose.


Do you want to live/work abroad and date foreign women?



Cornfed wrote:You have simply restated your position, which is not the historical or legal position, without giving any supporting argument. What is the justification for this Banana Republic model of resource distribution?


Adam Smith.

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Postby djfourmoney » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:54 am

I thought Cornfed was told to tone down his racist post?

Momopi offers excellent explanations, thanks.

Most of the people around here are hopeless and will never achieve anything because they are more concerned about people that don't look like them rather than how to make money from everybody by offering a service or product that provides value or solves a problem.
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Postby Devil Dog » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:16 am

djfourmoney wrote:I thought Cornfed was told to tone down his racist post?

Momopi offers excellent explanations, thanks.

Most of the people around here are hopeless and will never achieve anything because they are more concerned about people that don't look like them rather than how to make money from everybody by offering a service or product that provides value or solves a problem.


Agreed on all accounts. Most people on HA spend their energy rationalizing their victimhood instead of thinking and working their way past it.

BTW, I seem to have misused the quote feature a few posts back. My "bottom 10%" remark was intended for cornfed, not momopi.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Moretorque » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:29 pm

momopi wrote:
Moretorque wrote: Cornfed I hate to admit it but I LOVE YOU MAN :D , he tells it the way it is with no punches held. This is why western civilization is being over run by bad immigration policies which are being done on purpose.


Do you want to live/work abroad and date foreign women?



Cornfed wrote:You have simply restated your position, which is not the historical or legal position, without giving any supporting argument. What is the justification for this Banana Republic model of resource distribution?


Adam Smith.

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It depends on how bad it gets in the US, Momopi I do not believe you understand what is going on. Marx did not write the communist manifesto the credit monopoly did, they have created this condition world wide by funneling the fake purchasing tickets into the hands of themselves and buying the world up and getting it for free with a accounting gimmick.

There not paying for anything, they are technically stealing the entire world by counterfeiting and creating a 2 tier society in the process of a small rich and a large impoverished poor. The 1792 coinage act states anybody counterfeiting or debasing a currency was to be punished by death.

I am not saying they are wrong but if I were to print some paper up with numbers and then hand them to you for payment on some of your property and walk away with said property I am technically stealing it but your agreement to use said system is what makes it viable.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby momopi » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:50 pm

Moretorque wrote: It depends on how bad it gets in the US, Momopi I do not believe you understand what is going on. Marx did not write the communist manifesto the credit monopoly did, they have created this condition world wide by funneling the fake purchasing tickets into the hands of themselves and buying the world up and getting it for free with a accounting gimmick.


The question is simple. Do you want to travel/visit, live, work, and date women abroad?

This is regardless of how good or how bad things are at home, who wrote Das Kapital, or what currency we use (metal, paper, sheep, whatever). Do you have the sense of adventure to go out and see the world?

"Happier abroad" does not mean "have no choice but to be abroad", because having no other choice does not necessarily mean that you'd be happy. To be happy in this case, you'd have to honestly enjoy travel or living in other countries, with different languages, cultures, foods, etc. If you'd rather stay home, then maybe travel/expat related sites isn't for you.



Moretorque wrote: There not paying for anything, they are technically stealing the entire world by counterfeiting and creating a 2 tier society in the process of a small rich and a large impoverished poor. The 1792 coinage act states anybody counterfeiting or debasing a currency was to be punished by death.


Please read Section 19 of the 1792 Coinage Act. It's very specific to what it applied to in 1792. Also read the Coinage Act of 1965.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Moretorque » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:51 am

momopi wrote:
Moretorque wrote: It depends on how bad it gets in the US, Momopi I do not believe you understand what is going on. Marx did not write the communist manifesto the credit monopoly did, they have created this condition world wide by funneling the fake purchasing tickets into the hands of themselves and buying the world up and getting it for free with a accounting gimmick.


The question is simple. Do you want to travel/visit, live, work, and date women abroad?

This is regardless of how good or how bad things are at home, who wrote Das Kapital, or what currency we use (metal, paper, sheep, whatever). Do you have the sense of adventure to go out and see the world?

"Happier abroad" does not mean "have no choice but to be abroad", because having no other choice does not necessarily mean that you'd be happy. To be happy in this case, you'd have to honestly enjoy travel or living in other countries, with different languages, cultures, foods, etc. If you'd rather stay home, then maybe travel/expat related sites isn't for you.



Moretorque wrote: There not paying for anything, they are technically stealing the entire world by counterfeiting and creating a 2 tier society in the process of a small rich and a large impoverished poor. The 1792 coinage act states anybody counterfeiting or debasing a currency was to be punished by death.


Please read Section 19 of the 1792 Coinage Act. It's very specific to what it applied to in 1792. Also read the Coinage Act of 1965.


If I am not mistaken Das Kapital was written in London's Library, that should answer all ?'s. That is where the credit monopoly charter was granted most of the world operates under today. I have never read the 1792 coinage act so you got me there. I did not pay attention to it because it is irrelevant today and also the country was conquered by treaty in 1933 so the 1965 coinage act was put in place by the receivers of the bankruptcy.

I read where people go here to see what are the better places are to run but as I have written the creditors who are setting up this one world system are working on making pretty much a one world mono culture. I cannot believe people cannot see this and do not realize long term what this means world wide as far as all future cultures go.

The problem is a ounce of gold used to be 20$, Lenin said we will get rid of the middle class through taxation and debasement of credit money.

One other thing you can travel world wide on the net.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby momopi » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:06 am

Moretorque wrote: If I am not mistaken Das Kapital was written in London's Library, that should answer all ?'s. That is where the credit monopoly charter was granted most of the world operates under today. I have never read the 1792 coinage act so you got me there. I did not pay attention to it because it is irrelevant today and also the country was conquered by treaty in 1933 so the 1965 coinage act was put in place by the receivers of the bankruptcy.


If you did not read the Coinage Act of 1792, then how did you cite the Act in your statement "The 1792 coinage act states anybody counterfeiting or debasing a currency was to be punished by death" ?



Moretorque wrote: I am not saying they are wrong but if I were to print some paper up with numbers and then hand them to you for payment on some of your property and walk away with said property I am technically stealing it but your agreement to use said system is what makes it viable.


When I take a $20 USD bill from the ATM, I can use it to make purchases at stores for $20 worth of merchandise. When I go abroad, I can exchange the $20 USD for local currency in equivalent value, minus exchange fees.

If you can print paper money that has the same level of acceptance here and abroad, then I see no problems with using it. As a matter of fact, there are hundreds of local/community currencies (not national currencies) with varied levels of acceptance around the world. Their value is purely dependent on the user & merchant's acceptance and not by law.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 68517.html
http://davisdollars.org/
http://daviswiki.org/Davis_Dollars



Moretorque wrote:I read where people go here to see what are the better places are to run but as I have written the creditors who are setting up this one world system are working on making pretty much a one world mono culture. I cannot believe people cannot see this and do not realize long term what this means world wide as far as all future cultures go.
The problem is a ounce of gold used to be 20$, Lenin said we will get rid of the middle class through taxation and debasement of credit money.
One other thing you can travel world wide on the net.


The question was not about running away or living through other people's travels and experiences. It's about YOU, and do YOU like or WANT to travel internationally, live/work abroad, date pretty foreign girls, and immerse yourself in a different culture.

Reading about someone else visiting in Paris, is not the same as standing in front of Musée du Louvre yourself, with a basket of fresh strawberries from Rue Cler in hand. Browsing the net about other people's romances, is not the same as embracing a pretty foreign girl yourself and giving her dove-like kisses. Do you want to stay home, or do you want to go out and see & experience the world?
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:00 am

momopi wrote:If you can print paper money that has the same level of acceptance here and abroad, then I see no problems with using it. As a matter of fact, there are hundreds of local/community currencies (not national currencies) with varied levels of acceptance around the world. Their value is purely dependent on the user & merchant's acceptance and not by law.

The obvious difference is that the Washington regime and its hired goons collect taxes and fines, pay debts, issue court judgments etc. in federal reserve currency. Internationally, they require oil to be traded in that currency and any national leader trying to change that has hitherto been killed. That is why the federal reserve banksters have an advantage over the rest of us in being able to print or electronically create numerical data and then claim tangible stuff in return for the data.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:03 am

momopi wrote:
Cornfed wrote:You have simply restated your position, which is not the historical or legal position, without giving any supporting argument. What is the justification for this Banana Republic model of resource distribution?


Adam Smith.

Did Adam Smith want to enrich a tiny parasitical elite while impoverishing everyone else before bringing about total economic collapse, as is happening? That wasn’t my interpretation. Could you point to arguments Smith made as to why this is such a good thing.
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