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USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

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Postby SilverEnergy » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:36 am

There are tons of opportunities to make money in America as we speak.

Trillions of dollars of currency are printed every year and money has gone digital meaning that currency is created at light speed.

There is money for grabs.
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Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:43 am

SilverEnergy wrote:Trillions of dollars of currency are printed every year and money has gone digital meaning that currency is created at light speed.

Yes, but it is all given to the banksters and their cronies.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby momopi » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:27 am

Cornfed wrote:Did Adam Smith want to enrich a tiny parasitical elite while impoverishing everyone else before bringing about total economic collapse, as is happening? That wasn’t my interpretation. Could you point to arguments Smith made as to why this is such a good thing.


You asked for "historical or legal position" in response to my post from Monday, March 31st, 2014 in this thread. I cited Adam Smith for his commentary on the historical formation and necessity of civil government, in Wealth of Nations, Book V. For legal position, see Reaganomics (trickle-down). Lesser known historical example, Federalist No. 10 by James Madison.

If you were to dispute the legality of lawfully elected President of the United States (Ronald Reagan) and his economic policy, then there's nothing further to discuss (you either recognize his authority or you don't). And if you believe in the coming of "total economic collapse", do please let us know when you think this will occur. I'd be happy to setup a prepper store and sell long-term storage food to everyone.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:00 am

momopi wrote:
Cornfed wrote:Did Adam Smith want to enrich a tiny parasitical elite while impoverishing everyone else before bringing about total economic collapse, as is happening? That wasn’t my interpretation. Could you point to arguments Smith made as to why this is such a good thing.


You asked for "historical or legal position" in response to my post from Monday, March 31st, 2014 in this thread. I cited Adam Smith for his commentary on the historical formation and necessity of civil government, in Wealth of Nations, Book V. For legal position, see Reaganomics (trickle-down). Lesser known historical example, Federalist No. 10 by James Madison.

The question was about why the policy should be though to be a good thing. As to the legal issue, the US government obviously believes it can order its subsidiary corporations to do whatever it wants, such as requiring them to hire a certain percentage of females and dysgenics. It is just that these requirements don't extend to doing anything in the interests of the general public of late.

If you were to dispute the legality of lawfully elected President of the United States (Ronald Reagan) and his economic policy, then there's nothing further to discuss (you either recognize his authority or you don't). And if you believe in the coming of "total economic collapse", do please let us know when you think this will occur. I'd be happy to setup a prepper store and sell long-term storage food to everyone.

The economy collapsed in the 70s. What has been happening since then is a series of delusional bubbles and the elite looting the stored value. It is impossible to predict when this process will be complete, but it should happen within the next 5-10 years.
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Re: USA a land of opportunity- think again with this article

Postby momopi » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:02 am

Cornfed wrote:The economy collapsed in the 70s. What has been happening since then is a series of delusional bubbles and the elite looting the stored value. It is impossible to predict when this process will be complete, but it should happen within the next 5-10 years.


So, how have you prepared for the pending collapse in 5-10 years?

(If it's too early for that, we can start with "what's in your bug-out bag")
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Postby Tsar » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:38 pm

Opportunity is only open for a specific amount of time.

In America:
-Open land that wasn't owned by anyone, Europeans came over and some of them purchased slaves. Many of the people who became very rich had slave labor (unethical, and they treated the slaves terribly which is immoral), drove the Native Americans off their land (a war crime and genocide), and they kept expanding repeating the same thing. By the time slavery was illegal many people were already rich enough and they still had control of the system.
-The industrial revolution allowed a smaller group, people with money or able to get investors, to make it big.
-WWI - the financiers of war got rich off getting America into the war
-The Roaring 20s had a boom in peace-time prosperity after WWI
-Great Depression+Prohibition. Allowed people like Al Capone or the Kennedy, or the mafia families for example, to get rich off bootlegging and other crimes (unethical). Investing money into low stock prices
-WWII - the financiers of war, investors beginning to buy more low stocks
- Post-WWII economic boom. A surge in birth rates. From then up until the late 1990s there was a historical anomaly in both opportunity and real wealth gains in America. Fueled by surging birth rates, increasing number of new technologies, the early days of computers then the internet, rapid economic growth, and then the "easy access to credit" economy, and when fiat currency was rolled out it allowed the people with debt to have even more economic power to expand their business. Fiat currency only helped the wealthy at the expense of the poor.

Today we have a terrible opportunity in America and everywhere. There are not enough good jobs. The world population is too high. Many prices are unrealistic. Too many regulations and high taxes relative to costs of living. The market is saturated. The entry barriers are high. Access to millions or tens of millions in funding to try to compete with existing businesses is almost impossible to get (it is impossible if you're born into poverty or lower-middle class, even middle class). The upper-class still had opportunity, and the wealthy and the elites have all the opportunity. Roughly 10% of the American population have a combined total of 99% of all the opportunity.

The years from 1950-2006 were a historical anomaly that was unsustainable. If the world population hadn't increased by 500% and there was a real currency system in the world (for a fiat or credit based system) then there might be a much better world. The technological advancements were the only wonderful thing about 1950-2006.

-Increase in multinational corporations
-Decrease in small business

-End of hard money currency, end of the real growth-based economy
-Introduction of fiat currency, the creation of an artificial credit-based economy
-Artificial increase in prices

-Increase in taxes
-Decrease in earnings

-Surge in the national and world population
-Decrease in the number of available jobs and good incomes
-Increase in the competition for jobs
-Decreased wages
-Even further artificial increase in prices

-Feminism, women entering the workforce
-Increased competition for jobs
-Decreased wages
-More artificial increase in prices

So we can easily see what fueled the opportunity in America throughout all of it's history and why the opportunity began to disappear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism

http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... 6857350784

Collapse is inevitable. Economic collapse is inevitable. The population must also decrease in places with unsustainable populations.

The collapse will happen between 2020-2034, then there will be about 50 years of hardship across most of the world.

Russia and East Europe are very underdeveloped and have good farmland compared to most of the world. South America is also a good place in terms of resources and farmland. Canada has more resources relative to America. Africa is one of the richest in resources. The Middle East mainly has oil and their farming can't sustain their enormous populations so the Middle East would be one of the worst in the collapse. China which depends on exports would also do rather poorly in the collapse but they do have many resource stockpiles and would have more real wealth. America would be mostly a beggar nation because most people don't have real assets, home prices are artificially inflated, and the costs of living would have to be substantially reduced. America imports most of it's food, it's aquifers are running out, and much of it's resources have been depleted. Most of the gold and silver are owned by other nations in the Federal Reserve or are owned by the financial oligarchs. Britain should do even worse than America because it must import most of it's resources.

Eastern Europe, Central and South America would be the best to survive the collapse. Most of Africa would be somewhere in the middle. The European countries without the Euro would probably be next. Then mainland countries with the Euro like Italy or other places with relatively good food production and farmland. Some Asian countries would also do well. Canada would be somewhat okay. China and India would be next but they might feel some greater short-term pain than other countries. America would be reduced to a beggar nation without world reserve status and the petrodollar, and hyperinflation would cause a great depression. America would be one of the worst. Japan and Britain would both be relatively worse than America because they must import more resources than they can produce and both are heavily tied to America. Britain would be worse off than Japan. The only place that would be even worse would be the Middle East where it's mostly desert, fresh water is relatively scarce and highly competitive, must import a lot of food, heavily dependent on oil prices, and has an unsustainable young population that would product social unrest (look at Egypt, too many young people, not a lot of jobs, huge unemployment, can't produce enough on it's own, and little oil compared to other countries. This is a disaster and why I rate the Middle East as the worst place during the economic collapse).
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Postby Cornfed » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:44 pm

^ That is all obviously true. The world of good opportunities for most Westerners ended around 1980, yet many people want to pretend we are still living in the good times for some reason, which is a shame because it precludes any possibility of change for the better.
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Postby momopi » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:58 pm

Tsar wrote:America imports most of it's food, it's aquifers are running out, and much of it's resources have been depleted. Most of the gold and silver are owned by other nations in the Federal Reserve or are owned by the financial oligarchs. Britain should do even worse than America because it must import most of it's resources.


America does not import most of its food, we're a food exporter. We are, however, at great risk if the transportation system is disrupted. Major population centers are located at distance from food producing farms and storage silos.

If you live in urban areas away from food-producing farms, it'd be prudent to be a prepper against disruptions in water/utility and food distribution.
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Postby Moretorque » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:41 pm

momopi wrote:
Tsar wrote:America imports most of it's food, it's aquifers are running out, and much of it's resources have been depleted. Most of the gold and silver are owned by other nations in the Federal Reserve or are owned by the financial oligarchs. Britain should do even worse than America because it must import most of it's resources.


America does not import most of its food, we're a food exporter. We are, however, at great risk if the transportation system is disrupted. Major population centers are located at distance from food producing farms and storage silos.

If you live in urban areas away from food-producing farms, it'd be prudent to be a prepper against disruptions in water/utility and food distribution.[/quote

We import around 40% of our food now here in the US, the system is designed to where nobody can opt out so the overlords can control all the turf world wide because nobody can sustain themselves in their local ECO system. This system they have designed is accelerating the 6th mass extinction and they know this so more than likely they have a plan to jettison most of the human race to stabilize the ECO system.
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Postby momopi » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:47 pm

Moretorque wrote: We import around 40% of our food now here in the US, the system is designed to where nobody can opt out so the overlords can control all the turf world wide because nobody can sustain themselves in their local ECO system. This system they have designed is accelerating the 6th mass extinction and they know this so more than likely they have a plan to jettison most of the human race to stabilize the ECO system.


No, the UK imports about 40% of their food. America imports much less, and we throw out about 40% of our food in wastage:
http://www.nrdc.org/food/files/wasted-food-ip.pdf

You can reduce your reliance on store-bought food by growing your own "victory garden", or look into homesteading:
http://www.backwoodshome.com/

There are still several States that offer free land to qualified applicants, should you be interested.
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Postby Moretorque » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:01 am

I have herd from more than one source the US is now importing 40% of it's food. I just researched it ,somewhere down the line I got faulty information on this. I think it was from Mike Rivero of what really happened. Some of his stuff is plain wrong. Sorry about that.


Well if things continue it would not surprise if we did soon.

It's 15% but 50 on fruit 80 on seafood and 20 on vegetables.
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Postby ElReyBoludo » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:04 am

The US would be better off if it did import its food. Other countries ban the corn syrup, soybeans and altered crops.
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Postby Novem » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:46 am

Anyone who still thinks the US is a land where Joe Schmoe can come up and become a millionaire needs to stop drinking the kool-aid. All of the tax laws favor those who make money with money while the majority of Americans are taught from the outset to go to college, get a good job, take on massive amounts of debt and be a good little indentured servant to their corporate overlords. People are following an outdated playbook and they refuse to acknowledge the fact for the last 30-35 years this country has been increasingly hostile to the average worker and wiping away his earning power.

The dollar not being backed by gold anymore, the increased cost of living accompanied by stagnating wages, and the fact all of the wealth is being transferred and hoarded by the oligarchs and their political cronies is still lost on regular people. Never mind that we just had a recession and we are going to get an even worse one down the line because of fiscal irresponsibility and excessive entitlement/greed. The sheep are still holding on to the outmoded advice their parents and grandparents gave them. Do not buy into the white picket fence lie.

If Joe Schmoe wants upward mobility he better get into the political arena with the sociopaths or duke it out on wall street with the quants.
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Postby Devil Dog » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:36 pm

Novem wrote:Anyone who still thinks the US is a land where Joe Schmoe can come up and become a millionaire needs to stop drinking the kool-aid...

If Joe Schmoe wants upward mobility he better get into the political arena with the sociopaths or duke it out on wall street with the quants.


Who cares about being a millionaire? If that's your goal then you are on the wrong message board. As for making a good living, it is easy in the US, dead level easy, as long as you are willing to use your head and hustle for work.

"Joe Schmoe" is an average guy. Average guys are not quants on Wall Street.
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Postby Moretorque » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:57 pm

Devil Dog wrote:
Novem wrote:Anyone who still thinks the US is a land where Joe Schmoe can come up and become a millionaire needs to stop drinking the kool-aid...

If Joe Schmoe wants upward mobility he better get into the political arena with the sociopaths or duke it out on wall street with the quants.


Who cares about being a millionaire? If that's your goal then you are on the wrong message board. As for making a good living, it is easy in the US, dead level easy, as long as you are willing to use your head and hustle for work.

"Joe Schmoe" is an average guy. Average guys are not quants on Wall Street.


That is not true, we are losing all our property rights in the US more so everyday. Who is going to work in a place where the state can bankrupt you at the push of a button and throw you in the street with a accounting gimmick.

The social engineers with their phony check book do this every where they go eventually with this con, the up and coming youth are being handed a crap bag world wide.

As soon as the petro $ is trumped that is the end of the America as we new it for sure, people are stupid and cannot seem to figure out why you have to tie your economic model to something real to keep it grounded. There is nothing to do to fix this until the youth world wide decide they have had enough and they are getting there but they have the whole system set up to deflect all attention away from the money multipliers who run everything.
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