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What's "The List" of countries for HappierAbroad?

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Postby Jester » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:22 am

TopSpruce wrote:I've started looking at countries with the larges marriage age differences.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_at_first_marriage) Perhaps I can find some more up to date stats somewhere.

Armenia is another one that seems really nice (lots of traditional values) but I hear the culture is not so open to outsiders (they want Armenian bloodlines to persevere and there are very few Armenians in the world). In a country where national identity is important and there is a shortage of people, it will be harder to get accepted. In countries with very high birthrates, the surplus of people makes it easier as the society is more fluid.


Age gap
High birthrate
Acceptance of outsiders

yes -- these are huge criteria for me also
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Postby Jester » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:33 am

TopSpruce wrote:
For example, Syria sounds nice but I'm not sure how welcoming they would be.
My one experience with a Syrian was with a muslim and he was outwardly friendly but not too interested in interacting.



I was talking about the hundreds of thousands or millions of Syrian Christians in Alepp and Damascus and Latakia, and also who have become refugees across the border in Lebanon.

TopSpruce wrote:
Armenia is another one that seems really nice (lots of traditional values) but I hear the culture is not so open to outsiders (they want Armenian bloodlines to persevere and there are very few Armenians in the world). In a country where national identity is important and there is a shortage of people, it will be harder to get accepted. In countries with very high birthrates, the surplus of people makes it easier as the society is more fluid.



You have it right. To me, Armenian women are arguably the best in the world. They are the "racehorses". Intelligent, strong character, submissive to their man, loyal.

But it is VERY rare for them to date or marry out, and knowing the language is a necessity, etc.

You would have to go live in Armenia with a good solid NGO job for 1 year plus, and learn Armenian.

OR, you pick one up in Syria or Lebanon by volunteering for a month or two with an NGO helping Christian refugees - see above. Lebanon might be easier, getting into Syria might be challenging right now. Probably if you got the right fixer in Lebanon he could hook you up with a Syrian visa.
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Postby TopSpruce » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:36 am

Age gap
High birth rate
Acceptance of others


I think 1 and 2 are easy enough to find....but being accepted is tue hardest. Niger and Tajikistan aree certainly traditional....but who knows how long I could survive in a place like that, especially standing out due to appearance. Africans survive in Russia...but they are part of big immigrant groups that can assist each other(in exchange for cash). I think a place with at least a few expats might be useful for safety sake. In my 3 years in Eastern Europe, I never delt in danger but a good deal of my safety came from looking like them and knowing the languages.
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Postby Jester » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:57 am

publicduende wrote:
You're pure Armenian blood, right? Then shoudln't you be valued as rare stock back in Armenia? Perhaps you could arrange a trip there and reconnect to some members of your family...whom may be happy to introduce you to suitable young women. Looks simple...or am I missing something?



I may do that - Armenia or even Karabakh, an "unrecognized" Armenian republic adjacent to Armenia.

If I contact the right people it could be a big deal, my Dad was involved with things there. But I don't really look forward to a lot of banquets with old men.

I'm half-White, but that's OK, we go by the father's bloodline.

Syrian Armenians (from Syria or Lebanon) would seem to me to be a better deal at this particular moment in geopolitical for someone like myself looking for a virgin 30 to 40 years younger. Their West-Armenian regional culture is the same as mine, plus the mindset is "Western" in the larger sense of the word. Folks from the FSU think differently than people from the West, and their communication skills really really suck. A lot of unspoken stuff.

Yeah you're right, though, I should probably get my ass over there, to Syria or Armenia or wherever, and stop flirting with Mexi-chicas.

What's holding me up? Establishing a steady income, getting moved into a decent place to live (coming soon), getting myself fully mobile so I can spend AT LEAST 2-3 months over there while I schmooze and mingle. Got to be able to sustain myself while traveling, plus fork out thousands in travel costs and perhaps a "gratuity" or two, plus have a place HERE to bring her TO, or else be mobile enough to stay over there for a bit. And if I don't get MY residency here FIRST, then getting HERS is going to be hard.

But again - excuses aside - you're right.
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Postby Jester » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:58 am

Jester wrote:
publicduende wrote:
You're pure Armenian blood, right? Then shoudln't you be valued as rare stock back in Armenia? Perhaps you could arrange a trip there and reconnect to some members of your family...whom may be happy to introduce you to suitable young women. Looks simple...or am I missing something?



I may do that - Armenia or even Karabakh, an "unrecognized" Armenian republic adjacent to Armenia.

If I contact the right people it could be a big deal, my Dad was involved with things there. But I don't really look forward to a lot of banquets with old men.

I'm half-White, but that's OK, we go by the father's bloodline.

Syrian Armenians (from Syria or Lebanon) would seem to me to be a better deal at this particular moment in geopolitical history, at least for someone like myself looking for a virgin 35 to 40 years younger. Their West-Armenian regional culture is the same as mine, plus the mindset is "Western" in the larger sense of the word. Folks from the FSU think differently than people from the West, and their communication skills really really suck. A lot of unspoken stuff.

Yeah you're right, though, I should probably get my a** over there, to Syria or Armenia or wherever, and stop flirting with Mexi-chicas.

What's holding me up? Establishing a steady income, getting moved into a decent place to live (coming soon), getting myself fully mobile so I can spend AT LEAST 2-3 months over there while I schmooze and mingle. Got to be able to sustain myself while traveling, plus fork out thousands in travel costs and perhaps a "gratuity" or two, plus have a place HERE to bring her TO, or else be mobile enough to stay over there for a bit. And if I don't get MY residency here FIRST, then getting HERS is going to be hard.

But again - excuses aside - you're right.
:wink:

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Postby Jester » Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:35 am

fschmidt wrote:
Jester wrote:TopSpruce and FSchmidt, it seems BOTH you guys have done a TON of research, so would each of you mind throwing down with your own list to restart the discussion please???

My experience is limited and dated. I don't think one can really comment on a place that one hasn't visited. From my experience in Latin America, I recommend Venezuela, Uruguay, Mexico, and rural Brazil. I haven't been to Colombia or Peru.


Thanks.

Now that I have a place to LIVE I have really got to RE-ADJUST mentally (once settled etc) to focus on where to SWOOP!

PS to anyone interested in Armenians -TopSpruce was it? -- plenty in Montevideo and Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.
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Postby S_Parc » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:58 am

Jester wrote:I'm half-White, but that's OK, we go by the father's bloodline.


Jester, I'm not sure of what part of the country you're from but in the greater Boston area, Armenian-Americans are considered the best of the 'white' near easterners. In other words, they're basically British (or Irish) in this town.
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Postby Jester » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:19 am

S_Parc wrote:
Jester wrote:I'm half-White, but that's OK, we go by the father's bloodline.


Jester, I'm not sure of what part of the country you're from but in the greater Boston area, Armenian-Americans are considered the best of the 'white' near easterners. In other words, they're basically British (or Irish) in this town.


yeah Armenians are considered "White ethnic" everywhere from Lebanon to Boston.

But in Glendale California / Los Angeles they have reached critical mass and declared their own race. In Glendale they have affirmative action for Armenians. I think in LA County too.

Truth is, we are like Jews, consider ourselves better than everyone else. Just that we are Christians, and more lovable, not so abrasive.

BTW in Russia we are, along with our Chechen cousins, and Georgians, Azeris etc, called "Black-Asses". Considered very insulting over there, I find it amusing.
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Postby TopSpruce » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:32 pm

Jester wrote:
S_Parc wrote:
Jester wrote:I'm half-White, but that's OK, we go by the father's bloodline.


Jester, I'm not sure of what part of the country you're from but in the greater Boston area, Armenian-Americans are considered the best of the 'white' near easterners. In other words, they're basically British (or Irish) in this town.


yeah Armenians are considered "White ethnic" everywhere from Lebanon to Boston.

But in Glendale California / Los Angeles they have reached critical mass and declared their own race. In Glendale they have affirmative action for Armenians. I think in LA County too.

Truth is, we are like Jews, consider ourselves better than everyone else. Just that we are Christians, and more lovable, not so abrasive.

BTW in Russia we are, along with our Chechen cousins, and Georgians, Azeris etc, called "Black-Asses". Considered very insulting over there, I find it amusing.


Yeah, well immigrant communities are quickly westernized and spoiled so I don't really consider Armenians outside of Armenia to be real Armenians. After one or two generations in America, they will just disappear into the mix. For example, lots of Armenian-American girls are dating latinos, not teaching their religion too seriously to their kids, etc etc.

Parents have surprisingly little influence on their children. The society and culture around them are far larger influences considering how much time is spent in each environmonent (home vs school, work, friends, etc.) I'm a children of immigrants and I felt my ethnic identity fading away until I left America and went to Europe.


If I was to search for an Armenian bride, I would certainly move to Armenia and live their permanently. I'm in my 20s so I would probably get a 2nd university degree at a local university in some middle class profession(dentistry, computer programming, accounting, etc.)


I'm not too sure its worth it to go to Armenia though. They are quickly developing their and the culture is modernizing. The birth rate is low(on par with Australia) and the average age at first marriage is not that great for girls.


If I was in that region of the world, I would rather convert to Islam and move to Turkey which has lower age at first marriage, higher birth rates, and possibly better weather(depending on where in Turkey). But, there are places with even higher birth rates out there:

Places with high birth rates:


1 Niger 46.84
2 Mali 46.06
3 Uganda 44.50
4 Burkina Faso 42.81
5 Zambia 42.79
6 Somalia 41.45
7 Burundi 40.04
8 Malawi 39.98
9 Republic of the Congo 39.63
10 Angola 39.16
11 Mozambique 39.08
12 Afghanistan 39.05
13 Nigeria 38.78
14 South Sudan 38.50
15 Ethiopia 38.07
16 Chad 37.99
17 Sierra Leone 37.77
18 Tanzania 37.25
19 Benin 37.02
20 Democratic Republic of the Congo 36.34
21 Guinea 36.30
22 Sao Tome and Principe 36.05
23 Central African Republic 35.80
24 Liberia 35.75
25 Senegal 35.64
26 Rwanda 35.49
27 Togo 34.90
28 Timor-Leste 34.85
29 Gabon 34.82
30 Equatorial Guinea 34.35
31 Guinea-Bissau 34.28
32 Madagascar 33.58
33 Gaza Strip 33.27
34 Gambia 32.59
35 Zimbabwe 32.41
36 Mauritania 32.31
37 Cameroon 31.93
38 Ghana 31.70
39 Yemen 31.63
40 Eritrea 31.39
41 Western Sahara 31.18
42 Sudan 30.84
43 Comoros 30.26
44 Kenya 30.08
45 Cote d'Ivoire 29.83
46 Iraq 27.51
47 Marshall Islands 27.21
48 Solomon Islands 26.90
49 Nauru 26.39
50 Vanuatu 26.35
51 Lesotho 26.31
52 Jordan 26.23
53 Guatemala 25.99
54 Swaziland 25.69
55 Belize 25.58
56 Tajikistan 25.49
57 Papua New Guinea 25.40
58 Laos 25.23
59 Cambodia 24.88
60 Philippines 24.62
61 Djibouti 24.50
62 Oman 24.43
63 Algeria 24.25
64 Honduras 24.16
65 Tonga 24.12
66 West Bank 23.81
67 Egypt 23.79
68 Bolivia 23.77
69 Pakistan 23.76
70 Kyrgyzstan 23.67
71 Tuvalu 23.56
72 Haiti 23.35
73 Syria 23.01
74 American Samoa 22.84
75 Kiribati 22.18
76 Bangladesh 22.07
77 Samoa 21.70
78 Botswana 21.69
79 Nepal 21.48
80 Federated States of Micronesia 21.44
81 Cabo Verde 20.96
82 Namibia 20.72
83 Kuwait 20.61
84 Malaysia 20.41
85 Mongolia 20.34
86 Fiji 20.28
87 India 20.24
88 Kazakhstan 20.03
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