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Postby QuestionMark » Sat May 17, 2014 5:56 am

Enticer, we've been over this already. What you said proves it is about looks. America is all about looks. And yes I'm from the states and have lived there most of my life, unfortunately. This guy is very mainstream american and into the PUA culture, and trolling this thread as well as a few others. Most decent or good looking AW are stuck up, unapproachable, superficial girls (super girls), that live in their own little bubble, or just want to talk/hangout with their girlfriends, and don't want to talk to or be bothered by you. Everyone else on here just told you how it works with them. LISTEN.

It is about paying for companionship for some of us. And it's not paying for a friend, of course not, you can't do that. And it's not paying for just the sex in itself. It's paying for female companionship. Male sexual impulses for women and they're companionship are very powerful. Sex is one thing, yes of course we want that too. But even just simply holding a woman in your arms, laying beside her and talking, or even just hanging out with some moderately attractive looking women are highly desired by most men from the age of puberty until a man is too old to get an erection.

I wouldn't say most prozzies hate their clients. Yes, undoubtedly some do have horrible attitudes and are rude at times, but most are actually regular women/people. Some you like and some you don't. Yes, it is a job for them, but most of them don't hate their customers. Does every cashier, phone person, taxi driver, waiter, and bartender hate their customers? No, they just hate the rude ones who don't tip. They don't mind everyone else, and sometimes they do like you. And regardless of whether they're attracted to you for real, you're paying for an experience, the idea is that they're at least supposed to act like they like you. As long as they can do a good job of that, most guys feel like they've got their money's worth.

And yes, most of the worst you hear about p4p is in the states because it is so illegal and stigmatized there. The quality prozzies charge waay too much. So that leaves the only options there for the average working man with mostly skanks (some are ugly, ghetto, and/or drama queens) that still charge a pretty penny. So the best thing to do is to do p4p in other countries. When I live in the states I come up here to Canada for p4p, because american p4p just isnt worth my time or money. Canadian p4p is light years better than in the usa. They have loads of reliable escorts, agencies, and mp's. Plus the Canadian Supreme Court just fully legalized p4p a few months back. But even here in Canada, yes, many providers lie about their pics. That's why brothels are usually the best option, like in New Zealand, Brazil, Mexico, and much of Europe.

Yes america is a lost cause for approaching and dating women naturally. That's why most AW don't want p4p legalized. AW like their power in the dating world over men. They like lots of options and attention while the majority of AM remain single and lonely or have to settle for a fat, ugly, or ghetto b!tch. Some of the reason why p4p is illegal is because of christian fundamentalist bible thumpers, and also the mainstream media making p4p out to be sleazy, immoral, criminal, and desperate, when in fact it's not.

America doesn't really separate church and state. That's just something they say to make america sound good, free from religion, and secular. Christianity is still ingrained in the culture of america. "god bless america"?? In god we trust?? Why can you not drink in certain states until 1pm on sundays??

As for the video, hell no it's not that easy for most of us. Maybe for ugly girls. But notice, after the chick said yes, he asked her "You don't know me or know who I am"? A good looking guy could be some unknown stalker (the real creep) for all she cares and he'd still get her number. But an average looking guy she knows won't even get noticed by her, and if he approaches her, she'lle be cruel.
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Postby jamesbond » Sat May 17, 2014 7:28 am

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johny_quest wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABgL2LcoBTU[/youtube]


LOL I dare you to try that. Come to the US and try that. Even if she gives you her number, she will screen out your calls and not answer the phone. I've gotten numbers like that before too. It doesn't go anywhere. She just screens out your calls. Get real.


Like Winston says, try that in America and see where it get's you. I can't believe some guys are so gullible that they believe everything they see on YouTube. That whole video could of been staged, she may of been friends with him and just agreed to do the video.

Anyone can put up a video on YouTube and then say, "Yeah, I got a date with that hot girl that you saw me approach in that video."

It's sad that some guys will believe anything they see on YouTube. :roll:
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Postby Winston » Sat May 17, 2014 7:32 am

jamesbond wrote:Like Winston says, try that in America and see where it get's you. I can't believe some guys are so gullible that they believe everything they see on YouTube. That whole video could of been staged, she may of been friends with him and just agreed to do the video.

Anyone can put up a video on YouTube and then say, "Yeah, I got a date with that hot girl that you saw me approach in that video."

It's sad that some guys will believe anything they see on YouTube. :roll:


Yeah but even if that video was real, remember that some girls give out their number just to be polite. But then they screen out their calls and ignore your number. Or they answer your call the first time but say they are on their way out and then ignore all your calls after that. It's happened to all us many times. So getting a girl's number doesn't mean that much.

Many times, I've been excited after getting a girl's number like that before, only to find that it doesn't go anywhere because she screens out my calls and doesn't want to talk to me. It's a huge let down and has happened MANY MANY times. Again, hitting on girls in the US is a ZERO SUM GAME for most guys.
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Postby jamesbond » Sat May 17, 2014 7:44 am

johny_quest wrote:So then how come the guy in that video, Andrew Hales (LAHWF on youtube), said in the youtube comments that he went on a few dates with her and she was a really sweet girl?

Your so gullible that you believe everything you see on YouTube? :roll:

When it comes to women, most guys in the US are bullshitting out of their ass. Winston has noticed this too.

That whole video could of been staged. Perhaps she is friends with him and agreed to be in the video.

Don't believe everything you see on YouTube.
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Postby Winston » Sat May 17, 2014 7:55 am

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johny_quest wrote:So then how come the guy in that video, Andrew Hales (LAHWF on youtube), said in the youtube comments that he went on a few dates with her and she was a really sweet girl?

Your so gullible that you believe everything you see on YouTube? :roll:

When it comes to women, most guys in the US are bullshitting out of their a**. Winston has noticed this too.

That whole video could of been staged. Perhaps she is friends with him and agreed to be in the video.

Don't believe everything you see on YouTube.


Yeah. More than half of white American guys lie and bullshit. Anyone can say anything.

Johnny, come to the USA and try it. You're in for a rude awakening. If you prefer to believe Andrew Hales over us, be my guest. All we can do is tell you the truth as best as we know it. It's up to you to decide who you want to believe.

If you want, post your picture here and we will tell you how you will likely do with AW in the US.
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Postby jamesbond » Sat May 17, 2014 8:11 am

S_Parc wrote:This country is still living in the 17th century, in terms of b@inking.


Yes, you are 100% correct! In almost every country in the world p4p is legal, America is one of the few countries where it's illegal! :shock:

And yes, we are still living in the 17th century when it comes to things like p4p and nudity. In a lot of countries, there are nude beaches and swimming pools and saunas where people can be nude as well.

Feminism and puritanism is the reason why we are so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to sex and nudity.


Janet Jackson showed her nipple for 1 second during the half time show of the Super Bowl a few years ago and the American public went ballistic! :shock:

They demanded CBS to pay a fine for violating the decency code and some people boycotted any sponsors that CBS had. You even had people wanting CBS to be taken off the air by the FCC. :shock:

The American people don't mind seeing horror movies and people being shot up and dismembered. But God forbid a woman shows her nipple for one second on television and they act like the world is coming to an end! WTF? :roll:
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Postby johny_quest » Sat May 17, 2014 8:15 am

jamesbond wrote:
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johny_quest wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABgL2LcoBTU[/youtube]


LOL I dare you to try that. Come to the US and try that. Even if she gives you her number, she will screen out your calls and not answer the phone. I've gotten numbers like that before too. It doesn't go anywhere. She just screens out your calls. Get real.


Like Winston says, try that in America and see where it get's you. I can't believe some guys are so gullible that they believe everything they see on YouTube. That whole video could of been staged, she may of been friends with him and just agreed to do the video.

Anyone can put up a video on YouTube and then say, "Yeah, I got a date with that hot girl that you saw me approach in that video."

It's sad that some guys will believe anything they see on YouTube. :roll:


Yeah, there's a reason why he says to the girl "you don't know who I am do you?" He knows there are doubters and haters like you. I don't believe everything I see on youtube. I can tell when something is staged and when it's authentic. There are telltale signs when something is staged, and you don't see any of them in that interaction. Also, you make out as though he goes around boasting and gloating that he picked up a hot girl, which is not the case. Someone asked in the youtube comments asked him if he met up with her again, which he replied to by saying he went on a few dates with her and she was a really sweet girl. He may even have banged her, which he didn't let on. Who knows.

YOU are the one whose being naive and gullible, thinking EVERYTHING is staged. People also say vitaly's videos are all staged, forgetting that he's been to jail and arrested numerous other times because his prank victims called the police on him. LMAO. There are probably some vitaly pranks that were staged, however the majority are not.
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Postby Winston » Sat May 17, 2014 8:20 am

If he went out on a few dates with her, he should have some photos or hidden video to prove it. Otherwise, most likely he didn't.

I've gotten numbers like that before, as seen in that video. The girls usually screen out your calls so it goes nowhere. So even if it wasn't staged, it doesn't mean much.
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Postby johny_quest » Sat May 17, 2014 8:22 am

Winston wrote:
jamesbond wrote:Like Winston says, try that in America and see where it get's you. I can't believe some guys are so gullible that they believe everything they see on YouTube. That whole video could of been staged, she may of been friends with him and just agreed to do the video.

Anyone can put up a video on YouTube and then say, "Yeah, I got a date with that hot girl that you saw me approach in that video."

It's sad that some guys will believe anything they see on YouTube. :roll:


Yeah but even if that video was real, remember that some girls give out their number just to be polite. But then they screen out their calls and ignore your number. Or they answer your call the first time but say they are on their way out and then ignore all your calls after that. It's happened to all us many times. So getting a girl's number doesn't mean that much.

Many times, I've been excited after getting a girl's number like that before, only to find that it doesn't go anywhere because she screens out my calls and doesn't want to talk to me. It's a huge let down and has happened MANY MANY times. Again, hitting on girls in the US is a ZERO SUM GAME for most guys.


It's pretty obvious from the video that the girl is genuinely attracted to him and was flattered to be asked out by him. Given that that's the case, I don't know why it's so hard to believe that she went on a date with him. But according to you guys, that only happens in fairy tales or something. Hilarious.
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Postby johny_quest » Sat May 17, 2014 8:29 am

Winston wrote:If he went out on a few dates with her, he should have some photos or hidden video to prove it. Otherwise, most likely he didn't.

I've gotten numbers like that before, as seen in that video. The girls usually screen out your calls so it goes nowhere. So even if it wasn't staged, it doesn't mean much.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frvV4z14AUw[/youtube] Skip to 6:00. You see him pick her up and start kissing her within minutes, getting her number and then at 10:24 he's OUT ON A DATE WITH HER THE VERY NEXT DAY. Is that all staged too? For some reason you think it's just IMPOSSIBLE for somebody to meet women in America.
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Postby Winston » Sat May 17, 2014 8:36 am

We don't know if it's staged or not. Come here to the USA and try it if you dare.

In that short clip, after he asks her "Are you single?" she doesn't even pause before she says yeah. In real life, a girl would be shocked at such a question and pause for a while before answering. It's unusual for a guy to walk up to a female stranger and ask that.

The fact that she doesn't pause at all is suspicious and looks staged, as if she knew what to say next and had it prepared.

Also, when he asked her "You don't know me right?" that was a giveaway that she was being filmed. She should have figured that out.

Maybe it was real and he got lucky. Who knows. But most guys can't do that and most of the time, he probably struck out.

If it were that easy, guys would be doing it everywhere in the USA.

Anyway, stop yaking Johnny. Come to the USA and try it if you think it's easy.

I've tried it hundreds of times since 1992.

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Postby jamesbond » Sat May 17, 2014 8:44 am

Winston wrote:Anyway, stop yaking Johnny. Come to the USA and try it if you think it's easy.

I've tried it hundreds of times since 1992.

What do you look like? Can we see a photo of you?


I agree Johnny doesn't even live in the US and HE is telling us how easy it is to meet women in America! :roll:

I love these guys who come here and post threads stating how easy it is to meet women in America and these guys don't even live in America! WTF? :shock:

I would like to see Johnny have the guts to come to America and cold approach women! I guarantee that after 8 or 9 rejections in a row, he will go back home with his tail between his legs! :P
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Postby Jester » Sat May 17, 2014 9:26 am

Winston wrote:
In that short clip, after he asks her "Are you single?" she doesn't even pause before she says yeah. In real life, a girl would be shocked at such a question and pause for a while before answering. It's unusual for a guy to walk up to a female stranger and ask that.



She wouldn't have answered so fast or so easily UNLESS she had already been doing eye-flirting, giving indications of interest. Maybe he was moving around, horsing around with a friend, drawing attention before the video began. He noticed the girl eyeing him and grooming herself, so he tells the friend he's going to get her number, film me.

No reason to doubt.
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Postby johny_quest » Sat May 17, 2014 10:00 am

Jester wrote:
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In that short clip, after he asks her "Are you single?" she doesn't even pause before she says yeah. In real life, a girl would be shocked at such a question and pause for a while before answering. It's unusual for a guy to walk up to a female stranger and ask that.



She wouldn't have answered so fast or so easily UNLESS she had already been doing eye-flirting, giving indications of interest. Maybe he was moving around, horsing around with a friend, drawing attention before the video began. He noticed the girl eyeing him and grooming herself, so he tells the friend he's going to get her number, film me.

No reason to doubt.


It's so obvious from her body language that it's an authentic interaction. You can't fake that kind of giggling. Not even the best actress in the entire world could do that.
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Postby Enticer » Sat May 17, 2014 1:43 pm

These videos could very well be staged...or not. However, I have had some luck with bold approaches and but some not. Again, without a cue that she finds you attractive...which happens in a nano-second, you are walking into a crap shoot. Bars and clubs arent the best also, because women have their defenses up right from the start. I have found a subtle compliment on their clothing or shoes....cold approach or not, works wonders.

You also have to keep in mind that AW are bombarded by men and sex daily....and are afraid of kidnappers and rapists - aka, creepers. There's ways around this. I'm a professional photographer and use the same people skills for getting a married woman naked for my camera or meeting and dating a woman. I'm not a PUA but much of what they talk about DOES work. It is the end result and speed that I will not do or teach. Some of the triumphs and failures of men in the USA could be cultural....which I'll address later.

Right now, i'm off to a photoshoot for a baby shower for a girl I am seeing. I used to date her best friend who reconciled with her ex. I got referral sex/dating....and today's shoot is paid :)
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